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@Coyote_6 Steve, the only known photo of the original Sovereign of the Seas comes from the San Francisco library. If you're concerned about the slimming configuration of the large aft coach houses, I can reassure you that I've read more than one account of McKay's California Fleet clippers which confirm this fact: crew working space, roughly 5 feet on each side was given priority over internal living space. These structures were trapezoidal not rectangular as current plans erroneously indicate. Rear companions were offset to the port side just inside twin ladders to the roof. That leaves room for a central binnacle and steering arrangement. Jack Spurling did a beautiful painting in 1926 for Blue Peter magazine. It confirms the large aft coach house but appears to have a central rear companion which is incorrect compared to the photo. I have submitted two more manuscripts to the NRG editor but haven't heard back yet. I have to find out the delay. I suspect they're both too lengthy and will need to be edited for length or see if it's possible to break them down to a series of submissions. Author Michael Mjelde who's has 3 books on Glory of the Seas said he enjoyed them both. Take a look at the finished Glory of the Seas replicas by @rwiederrich and @Vladimir_Wairoa to get a true appreciation of the authentic majesty of a McKay clipper.
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@Coyote_6 since your restored 100 year old Sovereign of the Seas model is also intended for educational duties, I felt it might be useful to see a photo of the actual ship from 1852. This is courtesy of the San Francisco library. Note: the large aft coach cabin covers nearly the entire aft poop deck. It's so large that there is a turned stanchion safety rail around the entire roof perimeter. Here's an excerpt from the June 19th, 1852, Boston Daily Atlas article written by sailor/publicist Duncan McLean. It's clear that her aft spacious trunk cabin occupied practically her entire poop deck with steerage room abaft (much larger than the tiny one on the model from 100 years ago). From our 1912 Glory of the Seas in Alaska photo we know the sides of these cabins narrowed to provide consistent working space for crew. The article's more vague when describing the bow but Rob and I have both determined that, like practically all of McKay's California Fleet clippers, Sovereign of the Seas definitely had navel hoods and an extended cutwater to which her Neptune figurehead would have been mounted. To give an idea of how her prow would really have appeared, attached is my conjectural sketch of this area. Since the JE Buttersworth Sovereign of the Seas piece in the Old State House, Boston, Mass. shows a large merman impossibly crossing the vessel's sides, I revised that position to be half a carving of a man with the lower half being a large embossed engraving over her cutwater below her navel hood. This treatment is actually feasible while the artwork while gorgeous isn't possible. The artist does correctly portray the large rear coach house though. None of this is meant to take away from your beautiful restoration. Rob and I are doing our level best to share these new discoveries in order to aid dedicated modelers in recreating more realistic replicas of Donald McKay's clippers which we've discovered were far more substantial and beautiful than most realize.
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@Trevor I confirm what has already been determined. This is a model of the McKay California Fleet clipper Sovereign of the Seas. The riduculously small aft cabin pierced by the mizzen mast is a dead giveaway. Incidentally, that fixture is completely wrong. The Boston Daily Atlas article describes the aft coach cabin as being a large structure with working space on both sides and suffient clearance aft to provide steering. That means an aft companion on the port side, dual ladders to the aft roof, a binnacle and steering box would all the space to the aft taffrail. There would have been a large skylight on the coach house roof, the fore would have a 3' overhang to protect the fore entrance and the entire perimeter would have been surrounded by a turned safety rail.
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@rwiederrich revisiting this fascinating, somewhat controversial subject is necessary to convince our general modeling public that this is a rediscovery overdue by almost two centuries! Staghound Donald McKay's "Pioneer craft of the California Clipper Fleet" as so eloquently described by his admiring son Cornelius is rapidly approaching the 175th Anniversary of her launch on December 21st, 1850. Attached is a rare photograph of the 1869 medium clipper Great Admiral also launched in Massachusetts. Image comes from the South Australian Maritime Museum. She has an impressively built, lavishly embellished, carved cutwater with a larger-than-life full figurehead of Admiral Farragut but note the absence of the substantial navel hood typically described on McKay's clippers. For comparison, here's a1900s port bow view of the bow on Glory of the Seas. The upper triangular nautical device actually extends her prow up and over her Grecian goddess figurehead which rests her feet on a gracefully curving cutwater. Originally it too was adorned with carved elements, ornamented with gold leaf. Due to an accident most of that has been lost but the cutwater itself was undamaged. I've also found a Samuel Walters painting of the Black Ball Australian clipper Lightning which while hard to see also shows she had a white female winged figurehead, with navel hoods and cutwater. Due to an overzealous cleaning effort, the picture is washed out and faded but some details remain. A detail of an 1854 Lightning lithograph looks almost identical in her bow treatment to the Walters piece. Meanwhile, as further support of the ornateness of McKay's clippers, here's Michael Mjelde's 1970 after house front fascia sketch, my 2022 sketch of the same area and a 1911 photo of the actual structure while she was being refit. There's a 3-foot overhang to protect the front entrance. The Buttersworth Flying Fish piece, commissioned to celebrate her 1852-53 "Great Deep Sea Derby" win also reflects a far more ornate front fascia on her rear coach house than portrayed in contemporary plans. Note too: there's no raised central entrance, it's all of the same height with a slight curve. Finally, here's a 1912 Glory of the Seas stern photo taken while she was docked in Alaska. While much of her deck structure has been altered with unsightly added factory buildings, her original rear coach house profile is visible just forward of her aft wheelhouse. Clearly her coach house walls gracefully narrow to match the outer hull bulkhead configuration, leaving equidistant working space for crew on both sides. This is how the rear coach houses would appear on all of McKay's clippers, including Flying Fish, Sovereign of the Seas, Westward Ho! and a host of others. Contemporary plans have this wrong too, as they show rectangular structures impeding on working space as the rear poop deck hull narrows or in the case of Sovereign of the Seas, a ridiculously tiny box structure which makes no sense at all. One other fact we learned is that deck hatchways were wider across the deck and shorter fore and aft. Just a few of the discoveries we've made evaluating McKay's final clipper.
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@Michael Collins reconstructing Glory of the Seas was an incredibly informative experience. We couldn't have possibly proceeded as far as we did without the invaluable contributions of our spiritual mentor, author Michael Mjelde. I particularly feel like McKay's well documented final clipper is "the Rosetta Stone" for all of his clippers. I have more accuracy for his clipper Sovereign of the Seas too. The Currier print is a copy of this beautiful Buttersworth piece located at the Old State House Museum, Boston, MA. The original framed image is from Wikipedia, 2nd is my corrected one, 3rd is an unframed one, 4th is the only copy of a hand drawn plan of the clipper Lightning by Donald McKay himself. Note: open space at the bow where her cutwater and navel hoods would be. As I said before, all models of Sovereign of the Seas are also inaccurate, for more than one reason. Butterworth's and the Currier print both repeat the same mistake. There's no way the merman's tail would extend horizontally across a vessel's bow like this. 6th, I did a conceptual sketch showing how Neptune's real figurehead's tail would have more likely followed her cutwater extension with the upper torso being attached to the navel hood above. The other major error involves a misinterpretation of the size of her rear coach house. It's ridiculously small. In reality, the coach house occupied the entire rear poop deck, narrowing like the one on Glory of the Seas did, leaving 5' walkways on both sides with sufficient space aft for working the ship. Spurling gets this area right, including a safety rail that surrounded the roof with a rear companion offset to port. A 5th image from Wikipedia has a port stern broadside of her. Her rigging now reflects conversion to Howes split lower and upper topsails.
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@Michael Collins The top Buttersworth piece is of the 1853 clipper Black Warrior, Damariscotta, Maine. It features a larger than life sized full color female native american warrior. I had an opportunity to view this piece in person when I visited the Hyland Granby Antiques, Hyannis, MA. Here's a link to their site: Clipper Ship "Black Warrior" by James E Buttersworth, American circa 1853, (29 x 35 3/4) - Inventory - Hyland Granby The other two works are of the Flying Fish. Rarely does Buttersworth depict all yards mounted, since often the skysail yard would be taken down in rough weather.
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@Michael Collins I was asked to, as it were add my 2c to this conversation regarding what @rwiederrich and I now refer to as the unique McKay bow construction. Reading the in-depth Boston Daily Atlas write ups by Duncan McLean (a Scottish sailor and friend of Donald McKay) led me to discover that compared to his historic descriptions, not one of our modern McKay clipper ship models are accurate! That's because the only part of a prow they model is a bare stem. Both the cutwater extension of the stem and twin navel hoods which overlay and protect the cutwater have consistently been left off. Photographic proof of these very rugged devices are now clearly evident in multiple, crystal clear images of McKay's final clipper Glory of the Seas. In a way, Donald McKay has been so successful in hiding his secretive prow that he's become a victim of his own jealously guarded secret. From the beginning, in his first description of the vessel Stag Hound, McLean mentions a cutwater and hood ends but it's easy to overlook. However, in his write up of the famous clipper Flying Cloud McLean gets more descriptive and for the first time refers to these devices as navel hoods. To be clear, these prow extensions are nothing like naval hoods which essentially protected anchor hawse holes before advent of iron rings. Rob and I have concluded that since this unique McKay prow design was present in his premier extreme clipper and is clearly visible on his final medium clipper that this was a practice he incorporated in all of his clippers. One exception was his 4 decked 4 masted clipper-bark Great Republic. It stands to reason, since she had an entire additional deck, her height made need of the navel hoods unnecessary. I've attached all 4 pages of the Boston Daily Atlas which brings up another issue that model plans have gotten wrong. Main rail height of 4'6" on Flying Fish was one of the lowest for a McKay clipper. This required accommodations for a watch of the crew to be arranged below deck. This is actually described in the Boston Daily Atlas article. It describes 2 companions in the wings of the forecastle, leading to quarters below where there are 2 water closets (WCs) ahead of the stairs. These quarters are described as lofty, well-lit and ventilated. Since the height of the forecastle deck was set at the main rail height, that means the underside of the fore deck would have been just under 4'3".... little more than a crawl space. This means the windlass also would have been mounted below. The forecastle bulkhead would have been fully enclosed with windows, similar to those seen on the aft coach house, as illustrated in the Buttersworth piece. In the order I attached images: first 4 are the McLean article, then is an actual tracing of Flying Fish from a museum in Norway, my scale overlay of how McKay's original bow would appear, a more realistic ornate flying fish figurehead, then 2 historic scenes of Glory of the Seas, 3 details of the Buttersworth work. Note: the coach house front facade is more ornate then plans treat this area which is consistent with photos we have of this coach house, the prow in the artwork is more pronounced than the bare stem in the plan and finally is my reconstruction of the Stag Hound forecastle also attached for reference. We also know for a fact that the aft coach house narrows to match the outer hull, the rear coach house companion is offset to port and lubbers holes are much larger than plans show.
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@Rick310 these James E Buttersworth pieces are some of my favorite works by him. He seemed to have a particular affinity for the magnificent vessels of Donald McKay as his beautiful portrayals are some of the most inspirational best I've seen. One observation about the Staghound image. It's documented that she had 5 sails for each mast: course, topsail, topgallant, royal and skysail. I've read that in stormy weather it was a normal practice to ship the uppermost yard to the deck to lighten the load on masts and prevent damage to spars. What's amazing is that she set a record apparently without full use of her suit of sails.
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Here's a headline confirming March 21st, 2025 donation of a large Buttersworth Staghound oil to the US Customs House Museum, Newburyport, MA. It looks even more impressive in this picture. The pilot boat clearly has the no 5 on her mainsail. Meanwhile I used cell phone filters and editing to approximate the original appearance of the dirty Forsythe-Wickes collection auction piece. It too has a pilot boat with no 5 on her. Compared to the cleaner piece at Princeton University, it looks like a fair approximation. Except now the pilot boat has no 3 on her. Finally, my favorite work with more background vessels has a pilot boat with the letter "L" on her, go figure.
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@sheepsail thanks for pointing this out. It's noteworthy that there has been only one Buttersworth Flying Fish commemorative work, one possibly two Great Republic and a couple notably different Sovereign of the Seas pieces. We now have identified at least three up to five (?) very similarly posed of Staghound. Three have detailed provenance, two in reputable museums and are prominently featured in respected publications. It's suspicious that there appear to be so many duplicates of this one subject but how can you tell which are authentic and which are forgeries?
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Trevor, the title I supplied came directly from the museum's display. I agree more with your description which is more informative. The alternate work has a blue flag with white stars on it and it appears that the pilot boat does too. There's now two works that appear to depict the pilot schooner Mary Taylor which supports your conclusion that these are scenes of Stag Hound off Sandy Hook. My favorite Buttersworth piece remains the South Street Seaport work which has a more refined feel to it.
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Trevor, you bring up an intriguing suggestion. A closer look at the Pilot boat from another recently listed JEB piece (work no 5?) reveals a remarkable resemblance to the George Steers' schooner Mary Taylor. In which case, it might very well represent culmination of a circumnavigation by the Stag Hound.
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Hi Trevor, the observation of a Norwegian flag came from a fellow Facebook poster. I personally never heard of Stag Hound venturing there but thought the observation might be credible. Your interpretation makes far more sense. Here's the write up which accompanied the image. There's mention of her making a journey from San Francisco to Honolulu in 8 days, 20 hours shaving off 3 days from a previous record. The small sloop with number 5 on the mainsail is clearly a pilot boat, so the ensign on the foremast truck makes more sense it's a signal flag to them.
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Around April this year, Customs House Museum, Newburyport, Mass. shared a newly acquired piece: "Clipper Ship Staghound with partially furled sails” by James E. Buttersworth, ca. 1855. Of note for this work is her apparent destination to Norway, as signified by the Norwegian ensign at the foremast truck. Counting works by the same artist at South Street Seaport, NYC, another at Princeton, NJ a third auctioned from an as yet unidentified location and this work makes four now. Fascinating.
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@Jared I remember you discussing your frustration with the brittleness of some of your masts. Seeing the relative thinness of the topgallant masts, it reinforces necessity of having sturdy stock to model such spars. You're also right that both starboard and port broadsides don't show such a noticeable difference. I was really more concerned that the photographic process was introducing a distortion to your actual model that wasn't there.
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@Jared there's an apparent anomaly in some of your fore and aft focus stack images. The fore topgallant mast seems to have a noticeable bow instead of being straight. Is this on the actual model or an effect of the photographic process?
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@Jared beautifully done focus stacked images. You're all set for the next model ship world contest, whenever that is announced. The other option in the contest is to provide 4 additional builder's choice photos. Thanks for the focus stacked photographic tutorials. I'm also very curious as to the new Google Gemini tool. Fascinating possibilities. I hope you had an enjoyable Thanksgiving holiday.
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@Jared you did an incredibly effective job with the limitations you described. As we both wrote, the generated images are quite reminiscent of John Stobart's historically active pieces.
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@Jared those two AI generated images are simply amazing. They do indeed have a John Stobart setting feel to them like @Rick310 observed. I especially appreciate the authentic Boston setting with the great variety of supporting vessels surrounding the main subject. This particular angle of your model hasn't appeared before, that I can tell. This would make a wonderful stepping off setting to create a lovely painting. As a way of observing AI limitations, I noticed a lot of changes from this clipper ship portrayal and your actual model. Bowsprit color changed from black to white. Both large wooden stock anchors are gone. Your carefully carved flying fish figurehead has been replace by an anomalous white blob. The forward raised forecastle is gone as is the forward "capstan". Composite masts have been replaced by solid ones. The main house abaft the foremast is too short. These are not critiques of your creativity in generating these amazing scenes, rather my recognition of the limitations of the tool. I would love to see another such historic dockside setting but using one of your broadside photos.
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@uscharin Ron, nice find! I love these old periodicals and the fine details they share about these marvelous, long departed wind ships. As I told Rob, my personal, emotional preference for McKay's premier clipper ship is Staghound but according to ship's registries, her official name is Stag Hound. It's possible that at some point there was consideration of using the single word, as witness by Cornelius McKay's titling his ship plan banner as Staghound. Eventually a decision was made to name her Stag Hound. Meanwhile, I'm going to see if I can find the rest of this article.
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@rwiederrich in fairness, I was reluctant to bring up the name board issue, since you did such a beautiful job. But Mike's insistence on historic accuracy prompted me to remind you. Personally I prefer the single word but that's inaccurate. Still, Rob you made a masterful recovery with your new signs.
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@rwiederrich beautifully done name boards. Unfortunately according to Michael Mjelde, her officially registered name was two words Stag Hound, not a single word. He reminded me when I shared the fact that Cornelius W McKay used the single Staghound word in his banner for his drawing of her. Just thought I'd let you know. Still, they're lovely pieces.
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I literally stumbled onto another artist's depiction of our topic Stag Hound featured on Eldred's Auctions: Charles F Kenny (1919-2014) "Clipper Ship Stag Hound." It began when I came across this same artist's depiction of the lovely 1853 clipper "Belle of the West" David & Asa Shiverick Shipyards, Dennis, Mass. On the back of the frame was a card with brief artist's bio on right and a small postcard of another piece "Glory of the Seas" rounding the Horn. While searching for that work, I came across his Stag Hound piece. I'm still trying to find the Glory work....
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