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I just like it to help you with my source of photo's 🙂

That's from a personal photo collection of Freya Darby, and she's the daughter of Pamela Bourne Erikssons and Sven Erikssons. It was very special to meet her. Karel

Jim, These roller fairleads was also on fo'c'sle.

Dear Jim, It has been very quiet since I visited this site for the last time. very busy with everything like raising my son who just went to school for the very first time, so very exhausting for him but you made a great progress (couldn't being said about my work on drawings, went on hold for 5 months already...) but some details caught my attentions; first, the photo of the extension of Herzogion Cecilie poop, you posted a photo at 11 november with a clear view at the extension, I really dont think that the builders would fit the deck planking like that. one long straight seam would leak a lot of water, and she was considered a very dry ship even in her quarters. Even the steel strakes was fitted almost invisible. and second, almost all decking around extension part was removed after boiler explosion. second detail which caught my attention was the gratings alongside the aft steering gear, that's rectangular. so no angled front edge. I checked the original plans of Herzogin Cecilie, it shows no grates, so I think it was Harold Underhill who thought that a angled gratings would be nice. Other option was, that Herzogin Cecilie was fitted with angled gratings, but that these was replaced by rectangular ones after pooping in 1909, after which everything after the jigger mast was swept overboard. your model restoration work is coming along really well! Karel

Herzogin Cecilie always had masts in three parts, like all old type windjammers. Kruzenshtern and Padua both have spike masts, mast and topmast in one piece.

Those "lightly built yards on spanker mast" was actually fitted for the wireless. Herzogin Cecilie was fitted with wireless around 1909. (also the reason why she had a motor house under the boat platform) In the book by villiers is a very good photo of that yard. museovirasto.66200FF341F64442A7E4A2A762C50DBA-0-original.tifmuseovirasto.66200FF341F64442A7E4A2A762C50DBA-0-original.tif

I´ve heard a funny story regading this bell: When the germans had to sell Herzogin Cecilie as war repairments, they decided to strip Herzogin Cecilie of all her useful goods, They got caught and had to return all the items, except the ship bells. Germans was able to hide the bells. So when Gustav Erikssons bought Herzogin Cecilie, She was fitted without bells, and ship bells plays a major role in watches, so Gustav bought replacements. On Herzogin Cecilie, her bells had no text. After this bell was transferred to Mariehamn, the conservators decided to paint "Herzogin Cecilie" on the bell. I've seen (and heard) the original German bell.

I got some (vague) photo's of the hot bulb engine, the one of Pommern is the exact same type engine. so you can safely use the photo of the engine.

Details of pipe running on the side of the boiler house: Dont forgot the pipes for the salt water pipe line! museovirasto.9CA08561DD09747CE84A1836B8662D86-0-original.tif museovirasto.D53C1D52218E66F0285076389D034608_0_original.tif

Most of your requests I have photo's of it. Except that of a ladder to acces the ship, I have no any pictures of that. I'll deal with them by subject.

Did you knew that the railing as fitted on Herzogin Cecilie in 1935 does still exist; it's fitted in front of a building in Salcombe, Building is called Fairhaven on Sandhills Road. North Sands, Salcombe. it has been altered to fit on the porch. I was there last summer and measured it up for my drawings. I also met Malcolm Darch there. Wonderful, he's also buidling a model of Herzogin Cecilie at the moment.

If you go for that period, watch out that the railing of the break of poop has been altered after boiler explosion in belfast 1935, here, a glimpse of her new railings: I have no proof of evidence of Herzogin Cecilie was fitted with trotman anchors, but I have a heap of photo's of her final voyage. Among these photo is a trotman anchor visible but I can't garantuee that it was after 1935. Karel

Dear Jim, Superb model, but there´s three things I really to point out+ first, Herzogin Cecilie was fitted with 2 throtman anchors and one spare patent anchor. (the anchor with swivelling flukes) Second, on your model I see a hand railing at break of poop (on the main deck), Herzogin never had those railings. and third, the stanchions of the railings are really out of scale... Stanchions itself is 40mm diameter , the spheres are 70 mm diameter and the horizontal round bars were only 22 mm diameter. On the second photo you can also see the scale of the spheres of the stanchions I hope that I can help you making your modell better. Karel