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Oh, yes, the hull is decidedly French in style, and it would be very interesting to see how you are going to change the bulkheads.
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The Elephant-style razee. In addition to blackening the guns, I completely removed the solid bulwark from the forecastle, replacing it with netting structure. Now she looks a bit more like an oversized frigate. A little bit.
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Much better! Hanging tails of the sitting captain could probably use some work, but the ensemble is already sufficient in conveying recognizable shapes. So the sculptor can do it right after all, if pressured enough
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The "long" razee frigate with the same corrections applied:
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The 74-razee frigate with correctly sized gunports and darkened guns:
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I think many quite underestimate the state of the market of miniature figures. And those things do set certain expectations. (wargaming enthusiasts can discern specific regiments by eye at this scale and manufacturers know this) This means there is a certain industry standard. Just a couple of examples from image search - in 1/58 (28mm) scale:
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Another shot from the sailing test, a very dynamic one:
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@Kevin, it's the sculptor's hide we are after, not Chris. And that he has taken the money without doing a minimally plausible work by his own - let alone market - standards makes it only worse. I really doubt such "professionals" should be encouraged.
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Absolutely unique views of ships that survived into the 20-th century and got on film. Hindustan: Implacable: The sinking of Implacable - note her behavior on open water: Conway ex-Nile: Worcester: Victory in 1925:
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There are a lot of figures of comparable sizes that take all the details and forms into account. Type "Napoleonic officer 1:64" into google images. There are correctly styled naval figures, and you won't believe what people do with hussar uniforms Even Hornblower figurine made by the same author is all right. But Hornblower stands straight, and this pose is more complex. The problem here is not seams or buttons (although if the sculptor did know about them, it would really help), but loss of overall shape. I am guessing that the author tried to emulate the cloth when changing the pose of the character the cloth behaved incorrectly due to error in rigidity parameters. From technical standpoint it is a bug, and it is (probably) not very difficult to fix.
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A quick in-game test of the new style. Additionally to darkening the guns, I corrected the gunport sizes and extended the artificial shadow to front forecastle ports.
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That's "flap" and "breeches" in this case. And their shoes are somewhat too modern. The coats are double-breasted with epaulettes, that puts the timeframe around after 1805, so most likely they should wear half-boots with long trousers, but if we suppose very high-end dress ensemble, the shoes looked differently then and had higher heels and much more prominent buckles. The question is how real you want to make it.
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And the tails being separated also adds to both rigidness of the structure and elegance of the silhouette. Note that this horizontal seam is usually almost invisible because it's mostly concealed by pocket flaps.
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Maybe I am a bit late here, but the coat definitely appears very ill-fitted from behind: The material appears too thin, following all the body shapes inside (which it shouldn't, broadcloth tends to keep it's own form), and there is no trace of tailoring. The thing is that the back of the coat is composed of several parts with quite rigid seams that ensure that the depicted problem does not happen. References: https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-71256 https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-71336 https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-71607 https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-71431
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View comparison of a 74 (Colossus) with a frigate (Liffey):
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And if I am going to go over all the models and blacken the guns, I could, as well, fix a couple of other issues. The gunports on the open decks of the large ships were, unlike the frigates, painted bright red, and retrospectively that was a bad idea. So now I made them darker except the ones that should have lids because they are located inside a roundhouse:
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Something I haven't noticed for a long time, and a somewhat painful stylistic decision. The guns, generally, were painted black and should not appear as bright metallic muzzles. Stylistic, because there are many paintings that have it either way. And painful, because it looks I will have to go over all the ships and darken them, just like I darkened the gun emplacement texture. But after a thorough consideration, it does look better.
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To illustrate one of the small design decisions I had to make in the process of working on La Salamandre - remember, I said from the beginning I am going to modernize her to fit the style of ~1810: After a series of versions I settled on a single hawsehole on each cheek forward instead of the usual double set. This configuration is common to late/post-napoleonic head designs for small ships and keeping in mind that on the original the cables were worked through the forecastle railing, this leaves enough place for pleasantly and proportionally looking chase ports. And yes, this implies the internal arrangement is also somewhat different from the original, with flush deck and non-isolated forecastle, different arrangement of the capstans, etc. So now I have to finalize the decorations and make the mortar with it's well for the bombardment state. What remains here is settling the framing around the royal arms (I like the current version, but on decoration design plan it is different and I am not completely sure which I like better) making background panels on the counter, and then join and polish all the different parts from which the decoration set is assembled.
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Lots of things are not finalized, textures, decorations, etc, but the she is already so lovely.
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La Salamandre with added false keel (thanks to invaluable advice by @G. Delacroix ) and rudder protector.
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Free CAD program
Martes replied to Frank Burroughs's topic in CAD and 3D Modelling/Drafting Plans with Software
@Frank Burroughs, it all very much depends what do you need the tool for. Blender and similar tools (Maya, 3DMax, etc) are suited creating computer game models and 3D printing, and, while everything they produces may look very pretty, it would never be exact, because down under it is still a polygonal extrapolation consisting of vertices connected with triangular faces. Various CAD software, on the other hand, can produce geometrically exact shapes. However, if you want to 3D print it afterwards, the model will still have to be converted to polygonal extrapolation, but the programs do that more or less automatically. The techniques of working with them are entirely different and require separate learning curves. -
Thank you very much, Gerard!
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Thanks, Gerard! So do I understand correctly: - when such a report was submitted, with a captain's request of adding a false keel because the ship is leewardly, the (Toulon) dockyard would most probably simply add ~15 cm parallel to the existing keel, and be done with it? - if the design was, for any reason, repeated a decade or two later, this additional false keel would be included, but the underwater shape of the cutwater forward would essentially remain the same?
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Concerning the Salamandre, I asked a friend who knows French much better than myself to translate the handwritten report that is present in the book. And I was very surprised with the result. I half expected it to be very similar to the one for Etna I posted above, but... Which he translated as: The question (primarily for @G. Delacroix ) is therefore, how to add a correct false keel and gripe per French practice. The ship has relatively pronounced inclination aft, so adding a full false keel that is parallel to the original would increase the draft, which I am not sure would have been welcome. Tentatively, I looked at several contemporary ships after British refits (Embuscade, Unicorn series, which were copies of the privateer Tygre, the corvette Cygnet, ex-Guirlande), which usually did not extend the keel, but added a very dinstinctive gripe, and did the same: Another way I thought of was adding a triangular false keel that wouldn't increase the draught aft, but increase to certain degree the draught forward. And then there is always a possibility to add a full false keel similar to the Psyche, but at a cost of increasing overall draught: What would be the most correct here?
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While I am procrastinating with the Salamandre, I did a couple of fixes for Liffey and Schpitzbergen, correcting the run of the deck aft on both, and replacing the boats with a slightly better placeholder models.
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