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I beg you to listen carefully to me ; as I'm trying now my best to persuade you (for your own safety) that Time travel isn't possible, simply because the place you arrive at (after your Time travel) is a “normal” place where air molecules "normally"are (and maybe mosquitoes too and microbs) ... How are you going to (are you really able to) push-away those air molecules, mosquitos and microbs (which are taking your new body's emplacement) out of the way ? To avoid this, all you should have to do is travel back in Time, taking care to arrive in an 100 % free and empty place where there are NO other air molecules, NOR mosquitoes and NOR microbs ... i.e. in the absolute vacuum ... then you wouldn't have to “dislodge” all this stuff, while they wouldn't be present in such a perfect vacuum place ... ... but traveling through Time to find yourself into a perfect vacuum environment ... that's hardly an interesting hobby ! I HOPE IT HELPS ! Important notice : Time travel is a dangerous business, so don't leave your kids alone when they're tinkering with weird machines without telling you what they'll be used for !
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I like your analogy with the Jules Verne's Nautilus ; with this fantastic decor made by Disney, including extra large glass portholes ... and even an organ ! ... but maybe should we stick a little more to historic reality as per the number of pierced portholes : - We know that the Fulminant was pierced @ 14 for the lower deck ... there is no problem about it and this doesn't concern the port windows. - For the mid deck, it was pierced @ 15 (for it's 18 pdrs guns) as the best reference historic study by Demerliac indicates ... ... anyhow, some other information indicates "pierced @ 14" ... but I am quite certain that "15" is more correct because the Orgueilleux and the Formidable, which were 1st rank vessels launched earlier (in 1690), were already pierced @15 for the 2nd battery, whilst their dimensions being a little bit shorter than the Fulminant (and the same is for the Ambitieux pierced @ 15 portholes for the 2nd battery). Moreover, the Ambitieux, Fulminant's sister ship, had the (bad) reputation of being overgunned ... which was not good for its inner sailing maneuverability. Honestly, this point (14 or 15 portholes for the 2nd battery) can be fairly discussed as there are as many "pro" examples" than "against" example (please refer to the attached files). (a) Then, PRACTICALLY, your model should (I suppose) show 15 portholes for the 2nd battery. In a logical point of view (and I rejoin here your conclusions), all the windows N°s 2 ; 3 and 4 should be false, because a real window with glasses would explose due to the blast of your own cannons when firing. Moreover, your idea for 4 windows instead of 3 may be interesting, as far as you can increment the 15 portholes REGULARLY along the hull of the vessel ; then, the question is : are the 15 portholes equally and regularly balanced with 3 or 4 false windows ? (b) Another alternative is to pierce it @ 14, if it appears that the implementation of the extra portholes (one or two) into the rear castle appears too inadequate or aesthetically disastrous.
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Thank you Hubac's Historian for this reminder about the Soleil Royal, which I shall endeavor to complete, as there have been 2 Soleil Royal ... and even 3 ! Let me tell you their interesting stories ! The “historic” first Soleil Royal (N° 1) was built in 1669 and remained unused (non-operational) for 14 years, from 1671 to 1685, when it was literally left to “rot” along the quays of La Penfeld. Its completion and total reconstruction (restoration) has been undertaken in 1688, including the entire decorations of the rear castle ; let’s name it “Soleil Royal 1 bis”. An interesting further information ; this restauration was held under the supervision of the famous Louis Hubac. Thereafter, it (N° 1 bis) was burnt at the Battle of La Hougue in June 1692. Then, angered by this loss, king Louis XIV decided to rename another 1st line vessel, originally called the “Foudroyant”, to “Soleil Royal”. As for the Tanneron magnificent model, it dates 1840 and, according to Claude Lemineur's study, it seems highly likely that this model was mainly based on the “Soleil Royal 1 bis” (refitted in 1688), the new drawings for which were carefully been preserved in Lorient.
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Hello HAIIAPHNK ! The progress of your work is really beautiful and meticulous ; it's indeed first-rate work that we can admire here, and this is a tribute to “real” handwork, which we see less and less often, so much is it driven out by laser pre-cut kits and computer-made sculptures. Now, let's try to answer your important question about the side windows : (a) first of all, there's a naval military constraint to consider : a warship is built to receive cannonballs (during combat), so it's not encouraged to put too many "real" windows on the sides (because it structurally reduces the ship's strenght). (b) On the other hand, there's the aesthetic example of "real" side windows as drawn by Hergé (in The Secret of the Unicorn), which makes us fantasize aesthetically about beautiful side openings ... How do you choose between these two trends (a) or (b) ? ? ? Should we absolutely respect the notion of naval engineering structure and limit "true" side windows, or can we somehow dream, a little bit, and imagine a more pretty side profile of the castle, by putting in beautiful “true” windows (instead of "false" windows) ... and which ones to be chosen ? That's here the crucial question to be discussed !
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Happy New Year dear Sasha ; Reading (eagerly) your sudomodelism adventures really makes me saving me a subscription to Netflix, whilst your adventures are worth a Netflix serie ! I am thinking about your glueing problem, and a logical opinion could be that it's not really worth trying to select a glue permitting the quite unprobable occurence of having a modification to do (or a little repairing). I have myself some ship models I realized three decades (and more) ago and sometimes, the wood works is such a manner that cracks may appear, but whilst the ship models are protected by glasses, there is no wind, no dust, and no need to clean the model, so that the probability of a little bit of something needing a fixing is quasi nil. Your photos are always excellent ! I hope for all the people you love the best, and particularly for you a good health !
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We have in France a poem (By Jean de Lafontaine) telling a fox who (after making many complimentings) eats a cheese belonging to a crow : Master Crow perched on a tree, Was holding a cheese in his beak. Master Fox attracted by the smell Said something like this: “Well, Hello Mister Crow! How pretty you are! How beautiful you seem to me! I’m not lying, if your voice Is like your plumage, You are the phoenix of all the inhabitants of these woods.” At these words, the Crow is overjoyed. And in order to show off his beautiful voice, He opens his beak wide, lets his prey fall The Fox grabs it, and says: “My good man, Learn that every flatterer Lives at the expense of the one who listens to him. This lesson, without doubt, is well worth a cheese.” The Crow, ashamed and embarrassed, Swore, but a little late, that he would not be taken again. This pretty looks like the Kolobok's story you told us ! And as for the spherical "bombs" you are sculpting in tagua, maybe should you interested to know about natural veneered wood spheres, used in rosaries. I send you a photo of them.
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Hi there ! I remain highly favourable to the "ancient traditional style" workmanship, sculpting the pearwood with one's hands, just as you do Haiiaphnk ! Realizing a model is a true adventure with high (enlighted) moment ... and also more difficult moments ; and the new generations prefer to throw away those (supposed) difficult moments by using computers. Therefore and for the fun (because I don't wish start a combat), I wish to post hereunder the realizations of some vessels made by AI programmed softwares ... Please feel free to comment !
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Hi there ! There's a saying that “perfection is achieved when there's nothing left to remove”, and that's the impression given by the latest photos taken from the upper side dome. The whole thing you've created blends in so nicely with the initial support (the customer's base) you're working on, that it seems as if your work had already been done all along. There's no visible discrepancy (difference / gap) between your personal work and your customer's initial support, as all harmonizes well ! Well done chap ! The sculpting phase is about to begin ! What I appreciate through your "step-by-step" images (and comments) is that you are both a geometer and an artist. In so many (complicated) shipmodels of this type, we often see flaws due to geometrical difficulties and/or flaws due to artistic (sculpture) difficulties. We are eager to see how it all will turn out as we are now probably predicting a highly skilled finished shipmodel.
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... and in such a case, why not set the entire ship model on fire and analyse the wave lenght(s) emitted by its raw products through a spectrometer ? The customs would get from its ashes all the requested (legal) answers ! Are we turning to Ray Bradbury Farenheit 451 ? Will books be burnt ? Will art be burnt ? We'll ourselves be burnt and euthanized (... obviously for "our" security) in order to fertilize this planet ?
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Hello Aleksandr, you are right and I am right too ! When I wrote that French copied Dutch, it is mostly concerning the technical (naval) point of view, being understood that Dutch vessels had a smaller draught that French ones, due to the fact that French used mostly iron studs in their construction (heavier) whilst Dutch used wooden studs (which do not rust). Dutch vessels were more maneuverable whilst French resisted betterly to gun fire. As for the decorations themselves (the artistic point of view), overdecorating a vessel for the King's advantageous dominance showing started by the English, and was followed by the other Navys (including France). It's extremely tricky to find out what exactly specific decoration is corresponding to such vessel, as vessels often are identically named. We know about Ambitieux I (1691) and Ambitieux II (1692). Something important to point out is the june 1671 royal list of "fixed names". In 1671, the "Royale" has 120 vessels and Louis XIV ordered that their names all be standardized. Hereunder is enclosed the "fixed names" list of all "authorized" names to be used for the King's vessels. Doing this was clever, as if a vessel was sunken or lost (like Ambitieux I), he was immediately remplaced by another one, Ambitieux II, bearing the same name, so that the vessel's name was always kept alive. = = = = << Mémoire du Roy au Sieur de Seuil Il verra par la liste et la lettre de sa Majesté cy jointes la résolution qu'elle a prise de donner des noms fixes à tous ses vaisseaux de guerre, frégates légères, flutes et brûlots de l'arsenal de Brest en changeant les anciens noms qu'ils avoient en d'autres qu'elle veut qu'ils ne changent jamais. C'est-à-dire que lorsqu'un vaisseau ne sera plus en estat de servir, il en sera baty un autre en sa place qui sera appelé du mesme nom. Et comme sa Majesté a à présent le nombre de vingt-six vaisseaux de guerre qu'Elle veut estre pareillement fixe, elle ne désire plus en faire bastir qu'à mesure qu'il y en aura quelqu'un qui ne sera plus en estat de servir. Le dit Sieur de Seuil observera cet ordre à l'advenir pour le nombre de ses vaisseaux qui sont à Brest. le 21 juin 1671 >> << Memorandum from the King to Sieur de Seuil He will see from the enclosed list and letter of His Majesty's resolution to give fixed names to all her warships, light frigates, flutes and fireboats in the Brest arsenal, changing the former names that they had into others that she wishes them never to change. This means that when a vessel is no longer fit for service, another will be built in its place, which will be called by the same name. And as His Majesty currently has the number of twenty six warships that She wishes to be similarly fixed, She no longer wishes to have any built until such time as there is one that will no longer be in a condition to serve. The aforementioned Sieur de Seuil will observe this order for the number of his vessels in Brest. Dated June 21st 1671 >> This letter from the King to the Intendant of Brest is attached to the list of names attributed to the units of his fleet attached to the port of Brest. In it, Louis XIV explains what is at stake with this list : that these new names "never change". He goes on to explain how this is to be achieved. The names must survive the ships through a system of everlasting relays. For each ship is attributed a name corresponding to its rank. Exactly twenty six vessels (no more, no less) are now attributed to the port of Brest. = = = = The Persian king Darius I (480 b.c.) used this same stratageme with his elite troops named "Immortels" which were (as per Herodote) 10.000 soldiers. When an Immortel dies in combat, he is immediately remplaced by another one. Surprisingly, there are none FULMINANT nor AMBITIEUX on this fixed names list !
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Le Foudroyant is dated 1724, and as Magali Théron thesis deals mainly with figureheads (and not particularly transoms), so we are quite ascertained that Jupiter's, has been used as a figurehead the first time for the Fulminant (1692). As for the Pompeux, it's indicated that Jupiter with the "visage triste" was part of a decoration with other deities (upon the transom). The Pompeux is a 2nd rank vessel named "Madame" in 1670 ... then baptized anew "Pompeux" in 1671.
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