John Murray

I have had a look at the NRG Saw jig. I will be looking at getting one. For a push stick, the Proxxon Planer I have comes with a plastic push stick. Seems fairly soft so if I touch the blade, It should just cut into the push stick. I recall my father using those terms and had forgotten what they referred to. He worked in shipyards for a long time. I cannot see myself getting to the stage of harvesting my own timber. I follow a few YT sites where they do that. To much investment of time, space, and money. Apple = Malus Sylvestris? Correct? I have a supplier of rare timbers in Australia down the road from me. The list of product is here. https://www.bukartilla.com.au/timber/2014/3/31/timber-list The only issue I have is telling Balsa from Plywood! Let alone any of the other species named...

I discovered the limitations of the disc sander fairly quick... I currently have a dremel with a drum sander set. I have yet to use it so will investigate. If no good, I shall try looking further into it. I have the Proxxon vax hooked up and wear a mask. As you say, an impressive amount of dust is generated. I live with my son. My wife died 13 yrs ago. He doesn't see mess so dust doesn't bother him... 🤣 I have all the tools in the garage though. I shall have a look at your build log. Thanks for that.

I understand what you are saying re the quilters pins. I have Lightroom and Photoshop, graphics programs I have no issue with. think I understand what you are referring to your jig. The penny dropped when I realised you were talking fonts! I do not currently have the skill set at lofting plans from lines plans. Hopefully one day. Your tip re the butt joint is appreciated.

Thank you for this. I am starting to understand what you are saying and can see the benefits. FP and AP? I have considered buying a bandsaw but am aware that there are things I don't know and will probably buy something not suitable. I have ordered the following to get me up to speed before starting the Pegasus. https://www.hobbytools.com.au/Model-Shipways-Shipwright-3-Kit-Combo-Series-1-24

I do have a set of digital calipers, they just aren't in the pics. NRG saw jig? I have a push stick that comes with the Proxxon planer. Is that what you are referring to? I am on two blood thinners and anti clot agents and am very careful around stuff that bites. This is why I never got into woodworking. Seeing the spinning blades was enough.

Now that is a cracker model I had considered doing a cross section as well as a spindle sander.

Cheers for that I do have digital calipers, they weren't shown in the pictures. Re the wood, I shall take onboard your suggestions. I am not a woodworker. Wood names mean nothing currently as I am not a woodworker> I understand on the leaving extra for final shaping. This was a once off to enjoy. I shall look into spoke shaves. I have ordered the following to get me up to speed before starting the Pegasus. https://www.hobbytools.com.au/Model-Shipways-Shipwright-3-Kit-Combo-Series-1-24

Cheers for that Jaager. I am still reading your further responses and will reply to those later today once I have absorbed them. POF and POB, yup, I got the difference now. I wasn't sure of the terms, so many to learn. A bit about me is probably in order. I have been interested in models my entire life. 63 now, I remember my first model back in the mid 60s. For me, the enjoyment comes from trying new things to learn. I am not interested necessarily in completing models, but learning new techniques and tips from each model. If I complete it, that's a bonus. I have done several wooden boats in my late teens and really enjoyed the experience. I understand that each genre of modelling has its own unique skillset to be learned. I am under no illusion as to what I am looking at. I recently found Ohla Batchvarovs Youtube channel and that rekindled my interest in wooden models. After I emptied her channel, I noticed her doing the Pegasus. That appealed to me. I recently was lucky to be able to indulge myself as a once off and buy the Pegasus as I had received a compensation payout. Many yrs ago, I bought The anatomy of Nelsons ship by C Nepean Longridge. I was fascinated by the subject. Looking further over the yrs I found myself drawn to the 74 gun ships over the 1st rates. Something about them appealed to me. The price of kits in Australia is very high. I had looked online and found a supplier in the UK and decided to buy the Vanguard as well since it saved me 50% of the price compared to buying in Australia. So, now I had 2 kits. Recalling my earlier model boat experiences, I wanted some machinery to assist me. I found the Byrnes saw and bought one. I bought some Proxxon tools as well. This was due to the fact that as a once off, the cash would not be there in the future if I wanted to indulge myself. So, 2 kits and some tools were arriving. I then stumbled upon the Seawatch books website. I saw there was a 4 book set of the Swan class as a scratch build. It seemed fate was talking so I bought them as well as the plans. Now, I have the gear I need and was facing the daunting task of actually doing something. I have just bought https://www.hobbytools.com.au/Model-Shipways-Shipwright-3-Kit-Combo-Series-1-24. I believe this is what you were referring to. I do think this will help me get up to speed to tackle the 1st of the kits. I shall reply to your other responses later as I read them and understand. I appreciate your detailed responses.

Cheers, My first test was a cant frame. This was frame K of the Pegasus. Re the Basswood, I bought that to act as a filler in between bulkheads on my two kits, especially near the bow and stern. That isn't for actual frames. So far that is the only wood I had available which is why I used that. Never heard of rubber cement, I will visit Hammer barn and see what they have. The PVA was at hand. I do take your point re the thickness. I would appreciate your thoughts on what you see. I am a complete beginner at woodworking. This is only done to familiarise myself and have a play. I have 2 plank on frame kits to do first before I consider a scratch build.:)

Yes, I shall be doing that. This is just for practice, nowt else.

Cheers for that bruce. ☺ That is one thong I didn't address in this piece as so far there was no need. I have been somewhat limited in my thinking due to the proxxon thicknesser and planer can only handlle 80mm wide pieces. i cannot slit 80 mm into a board. Maximum is 46mm with the byrnes table saw. Does that makes sense. I need to investigate how to do this. Justvreread your comment. The centre piece should be running crossways. Gotcha now👍 Regards John

I hope this is the right forum for this subject. I have been busy getting my garage sorted out with my tools after shifting house. I have bought the plans for the Swan Class HMS Pegasus. I printed out a cant frame to use the machinery for the 1 time. It was ok only. (I am not a woodworker and so need to start from scratch.) This is my 2nd attempt and making frame K in the set. I started with Basswood 30x50x1000mm and wanted a board t.7mm thick, 1000 long and 46mm wide. To get the 46mm wide I need to trim the width of the board to 46mm. A cut, a flip and a second cut gave me the 46mm width. In pics with hands showing, the machine was turned off so pics could show what I intended to do. I printed the patterns out and checked the printed size with a ruler. It was spot on so trimmed the patterns, glued them on with PVA and waited for them to dry. I then trimmed them with my scrollaw then cleaned further with my disc sander. I used my Perma Grit files to clean then after that in places the machinery couldn't fix. Once dry, I then bevelled the frames with the files and sanded the paper off. As I say, this is only to get practice, nothing more. Does anything stand out that I could improve on? I am doing this with nothing but youtube and internet to guide me.

Ha! Cheers for that. 🤣 I have the kits to do as I like the subjects. I started rekinding my interest after stumbling across Ohla Batchvarovs channel on Youtube. She has started building Victory models HMS Pegasus. I have always admired the admiralty models with full framing and that is my ultimate goal. I will use the kits to get up to speed before I start my scratch build admiralty. I stumbled across the seawatch books website and saw they had a series of books and plans for an admiralty style model of HMS Pegasus.😳🤔👌 It seemed obvious to me that I should buy them as this would kick off my scratch build model.🙂

Cheers for that. Now I just need to figure this all out before I start my kits.

Morning All, After several months spent moving house, I finally had time to sorta organise my garage into a semblance of a workshop. I have been able to buy a few machines after decades thinking about buying them. They all arrived whilst preparing for the move and this is the first time out of the boxes. The garage is bare aluminium walls. It will get hot in summer +45c and cold in winter 5c. As the house is leased, there is no point insulating it. I bought a Proxxon mini mill, disc sander, dust extractor, thicknesser, planer and scroll saw. I have also purchased a Byrnes 4" table saw with all the accessories to save shipping costs to Australia. Anyways, I am not a woodworker so apart from youtube videos, I am starting from scratch and trying not to spill blood whilst I learn. I spent a day or so trying a layout without machines fixed in place to try and find out space requirements. I read the instructions and gave each machine a twice over to make sure things were tightened correctly. I ran the planer, thicknesser, and tablesaw doing test cuts and checking out the various adjustments after powering them up. After finding space requirements, I bolted them down and cut a 150x40x1000 piece of basswood in half, then planed one half on three sides. I then powered up the thicknesser and finished the 4th side. All this was to help me get familiar with the machines and accessories. Today I thought to try some angle cuts and tried a small 150 x 100 frame with 45 degree angles and a bevel on the frame. It worked out fine and kept me busy trying to figure out what adjustments and accessories on the table saw would be needed and what they could do. The proxxon dust extractor enables me to plug in the powertool so that when I turn on the powertool, the dust extractor starts and stops automatically with the powertool. A nifty feature.

That sounds a good idea. Apparently we were chosen as we wanted a long lease. Cannot harm to ask. Cheers Hmm, I shall look into that. Cheers My tools were a concern. I bought a few Proxxon tools consisting of a mini mill, a rotary head, a thicknesser, a dust extractor, a disc sander, a scroll saw, as well as a Byrnes table saw with the accessories for it. My concern is protecting them so your idea is a considerations. Cheers Thanks for that. I was not aware of that. Cheers

Unfortunately, the shed is a 12x24 foot steel sheet lined garage, no insulation at all.

That is what I am thinking I shall have to do. I have a few proxxon tools and the Byrnes4" table saw that will be stored in the shed.

That would be a good idea. Unfortunately I am renting and cannot make those sort of improvements...

Afternoon all, I am moving house this weekend. I live in Adelaide, South Australia which ranges in temp from around 0 celcius overnight in winter to 45 celcius plus in summer. My question relates to the 2 kits I am planning to build in the shed. As the model building area will be out there I well, I am wondering how people find the various woods and plywoods moving around or distorting whether in the kit or in the kit under construction. I will also have my machinery in the shed of course. The 12 foot by 24 foot shed has power and lights. The interior of the house is not large enough to support a build area at all. I could not find a forum for this particular topic. This seemed the closest suitable forum. regards John

I have only just seen this post but Pear can be bought from A1 timber in Hahndorf South Australia. Their website has a downloadable pdf of every species of wood they stock. I recently purchased 3 metres of Basswood from them. https://www.bukartilla.com.au/timber regards John Murray Copy+of+Timber+PriceList+2019[37402].pdf

I just paid for a Byrnes 4"table saw and saw accessories to be shipped to South Australia. The subtotal was US$1189. Freight to me via UPS (only option) was US$540 equivalent to AU$770. It's what is is as far as I am concerned, I want it, I gotta pay it. Living in a global economy means I can get great gear from around the world. Edit, I have just reread this thread and realised I bought it from you! 🤣

Thank you all for the warm welcome. Regards John

HI there, I have been modelling for most of my life. In my 20s I built a couple of Billings boats but didn't finish. They were beyond me. I have done plastic models for around 50 yrs. Now in my 60s, it is time to revisit the wooden boats that fascinate me. I have bought HMS Pegasus and HMS Vanguard from Victory models and look forward to starting these. I have bought various things to assist me so once things settle down with my moving house, I hope to start soon with a build log here. I will be posting in the ship plans forum as well a question I have. Regards John Adelaide South Australia