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A little catch-up on her grace, the Duchess. We have a fair amount of re-painting, and a little assembly to report. The pink was remixed, and is subtly darker in tone. This, I think, shows to better effect on the model. The rail patterns and rails have been added. One issue I had on the quarterdeck was the dome base (by the central cabin door). This single piece broke along the grain, and, after a struggle, has been replaced with three pieces. I planned for two attempt, but my first effort works well enough. You can see the spiral stair into the reception cabin here too (How easy would that have been to negotiate in an 18c pannier skirt?). The wales have been painted, but are not attached yet. Here you may see a wooden gauge, made to help guide the upper wale. A start has been made on the Stern fascia, and mid-deck bulkhead (reception cabin wall). I've been reading about the French use of false windows earlier in the 18C, and have decided to make the middle window of the stern fascia blind. In practice, a glazed window would have been very close to the rudder, and probably wouldn't allow much light.
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The decks and inner bulwarks have been added: In order to break up the sameness of the deck planking, some planks were given a thin wash of colour (burnt sienna, or transparent yellow iron oxide*), which was rubbed back before spraying a light harmonising coat of oxide yellow. The inner bulwarks are unpainted, and will, likely, retain their natural colour. The next stage will be to clean up excess material, especially the quarter deck / poop deck bulwarks. * Looks like very translucent yellow ochre.
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After a bit more delay, painting has started on the DoK. Since we're not using standard colours, a couple of bottles have been made up: These have been applied in a conventional arrangement (if lighter tones). The white has been applied a bit early in the build sequence, I hope that doesn't come back to bite me. This slight downward shot shows a little over spray, the (previously masked) area around deck holes.
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On Royal Navy snows, how was the rope mast attached?
Pitan replied to Pitan's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Hello wefalck, and thank-you Steel in his writing agreed with you: Source: https://maritime.org/doc/steel/part7.php#pg220 I have no idea what it would have been called. -
In the 18th century, the Royal Navy had several classes of snow rigged sloops*. The rig is mentioned in The Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War 1625-1860 by James Lees, and in The Sloop of War 1650-1763 by Ian McLaughan. Both authors suggest that the later RN snows used a rope hawse (or horse?) rather than the wooden mast used on merchant vessels. While discussing snows, Steel mentions the RN's use of a rope horse to support a try sail. Lees does give a couple of examples for attaching wooden snow masts (pp 11-12). I have not seen how a rope mast was secured, neither at the head nor the foot. There is an indication in McLaughlin that the foot of the rope was tightened with a pair of blocks (possibly deadeyes), but no indication of how the lower block was attached to the ship (Fig 1-9, p 18). My question is, how was the rope mast attached? Are there examples out there? * For example, about 25 sloops built between 1742 and 1747 were snow rigged.
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Sorry, very late to the party, but, are you aware of the book The Athenian Trireme by Morrison, Coates and Rankov from Cambridge University Press? This is about a full size reconstruction of a Greek warship (the Olympias) and the archaeological research that went into the build.
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It feels like a long time since I posted an update on my DoK build. Second planking is complete. It even looks reasonable in front and side views. Looking at the stern, it is a mess. I think my biggest mistake here was following the instructions and gluing the stern counter and, especially, the stern post this early. Had I left them off, I could have trimmed the lower planks to length before attaching the stern components. Not sure what that would have done for the first five planks, though? Maybe there's an even better way? I've also done the below water-line filling, smoothing the hull in this area. This highlights an issue that was harder to see in earlier photos - my planks at the bow haven't been thinned enough. This is low, under the hull, and won’t be that visible later, but... Now, I need to think about painting the bulwarks. Vanguard suggest blue, red and gold, which are royal colours, but, I feel this is the Duchess of Kingston's personal yacht. The Duchy of Kingston's arms were Argent, semée of cinquefoils gules, a lion rampant sable. Which translates as a white (silver) shield, covered in red cinquefoils, with a black lion rampant. The shield's supporters were also black lions. A picture can be seen here: https://lordbelmontinnorthernireland.blogspot.com/2017/08/1st-duke-of-kingston.html. Click on the picture in that link to see a larger version. The supporters in that link stand upon a blue-turquoise, gold and light red (pink?) structure. The Duchess was born a Chudleigh. The Chudleigh arms are, essentially, an ermine field (black on white), with three red lions rampant - essentially the same colour scheme as the Dukes of Kingston. (Versions can be seen in this link: http://chudleighhistorygroup.uk/articles/town_crest.html). (Ermine is the white winter fur and black tail of a stoat). While common to both families, black, white, and red strike me as a bit masculine for a duchess's yacht. Question is, what colour would she paint her ship?
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A small update, to say I've been away for a week, but am back and the duchess' yacht is still in progress. The second layer of planking has started. The green pins on the starboard side are a happy accident. I'm having problems at the stern, with bending hull planks up. I'm using a lot of heat to make those bends, and we can see scorching as a result. At this stage, I realise that I followed the instructions and added the stern post before the second planks. The planking process would probably be easier if I'd swapped the sequence (i.e. second planks should be before the stern post).
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Looks complex Nick. I don't recall using edge bending on my Sherbourne, though I did bend the planks using an electric plank bender (mine isn't Amarti, but this is similar https://www.amatimodel.com/en/tools-and-equipment-parts-per-model/product-electric-plank-bender-b7205.html). Every few rows of planks, I heated the planks with the iron, to get them to conform to the hull. (Use a splash of water to prevent scorching.)
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