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Thanks Ah, from the throat - OK, that answers my question
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Looking at a picture of HM Revenue Cutter Wickham, the lower fore corner (tack?) of the vessel's gaff sail is raised. Link: https://artuk.org/discover/artworks/hms-revenue-cutter-wickham-164013 This raised corner appears in other images by the same artist (Robert Salmon, e.g. "The Scottish Lighthouse Board's tender" https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/robert-salmon-british-1775-1845-the-scottish-ligh-91-c-92142e49ab) Questions: How was the tack raised? Was there a block for an up-haul, and if so, where was it attached? Maybe to the mast, or to the gaff? Would there have been a down-haul?
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Been a while since I posted an update here. Masts and spars have been painted, and now have blocks attached, ready for mounting. I've made a few adaptations: Rather than use the supplied etched belaying pins, turned brass ones have been used The windlass was supplied now has sockets for levers (bars/spokes?).
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Back to Sherbourne, the masts and spars have been shaped. In the kit, Chris gives a choice of bowsprit bits, one with a round hole, and another with a square opening. I decided to use the square, and made the bowsprit from 5mm square walnut (the supplied dowel is 5mm walnut). There is a short tenon to allow me to fit the bowsprit into the bit's hole (4mm square). Lacking a lathe, I'm more comfortable making tapered masts and spars from square section wood than the round dowels supplied. As far as I recall, the only kit supplied dowel I used was the lower mast (it has no taper, though the top is narrower), spars with a taper were made from square strip. Masts dry fitted Aside: of the three yards suggested in the kit, I've only made the lower one. This is because I want to add sails. Often, near contemporary paintings show just the one yard, quite low on the mast - maybe as low as 2 man heights (10-12 foot) above the deck, sometimes higher. For example, works by Robert Salmon: The Scottish Lighthouse Board's tender (https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/robert-salmon-british-1775-1845-the-scottish-ligh-91-c-92142e49ab); you may also find this called a Naval Cutter, but the ensign otherwise. HM Revenue Cutter Wickham (https://artuk.org/discover/artworks/hms-revenue-cutter-wickham-164013) Revised sail plan suggestions: Based on the Scottish Lighthouse Tender Based on HM Cutter Wickham
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Agree, the coat tails look long for practical wear, especially on the standing figure. I'd question the standing figure's coat lacking a vent or split from the waist down; that may make sitting down difficult (though ladies skirts seem to work well enough). Digging around, I found this page of a (modern interpretation) of 19c uniforms of interest. At the bottom of the page are images of a dress coat (with lace) and an undress coat (no lace) flanking a modern copy http://www.goblinrevolution.org/costumes/navy/. Note, all three coats have horizontal pockets, missing on both the preview figures, together with a vent. This wiki page may also be of interest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy_ranks,_rates,_and_uniforms_of_the_18th_and_19th_centuries The portrait of Sir Edward Pellew at the top of the page shows pockets on his coat tails. If you scroll down the page, there is an illustration of 1795-1812 uniforms (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy_ranks,_rates,_and_uniforms_of_the_18th_and_19th_centuries#1795–1812), with different ways of wearing epaulettes depending on rank; for example, commanders and captains with less than three years seniority wore only one epaulette, while lieutenants had none. Going back to the figures in this post; based on his cuffs, the standing figure would be either a mid-shipman or a lieutenant, and shouldn't wear epaulettes.
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I've made some progress with the smaller boats. I mentioned earlier that the stem and stern posts on the yawl broke. The stern post survived, and looks reasonable despite further accidents. Unfortunately, when planking, I missed an issue with the stern post bending forward, with its attached transom. Short of ditching the vessel, all I could think to do was extend the keel of the yawl. This will change the look of the hull, and (IMO) mean she'll need a larger rudder to overcome the stabilising influence of that keel (hence filler in later images). Beyond that, the main build has been uneventful. If I were to build the yawl again, I'd add the knees to the benches (term?) before adding the gunwal. Adapting their heights would then be much easier. Another tip - I added the yawl's rowlocks to the gunwals before gluong the gunwals to the boat - this gave some pins that could guide final shape. I am reasonably pleased with the decks, which were painted yellow ochre (Admiralty Paints), then dry brushed with raw umber (Golden Fluid Acrylics). Still work to do on these boats ...
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Have a look at contemporary ship paintings, they'll give you a good idea of what people saw at the time. The only image I noted that shows distinct hull planking, the cutter might be clinker built: Shipping at Spithead with Merchantmen, a moored British Navy Third Rate Man o' War and the Cutter 'Thetis' in the Foreground by Francis Holman (link ) The Google search I use: https://www.google.com/search?q=cutter+ship+painting Click that and then switch to images. Most images that I found in that search are too modern for Sherbourne (i.e. late 18c or early 19c) and show copper bottomed vessels.
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