Scottish Guy

Thank you Keith, I just hope it will be a positive and successful journey . Can I just create the LOG of the build by showing the box and then create a new post with the unboxing?

Sooo... there we go, the parcel arrived today. I´m now the proud owner of my first wooden scale model ship / boat... I will do a unboxing on Saturday and maybe start the LOG of the build. Micha

Thank you a lot Jaager, that´s more than I would have expected. This will be a big help.

I should have waited till your answer would have appeared lol, I wrote already to German Frers, since they might be the onces as designers, to keep the rights on the plans. Unfortunately I didn´t know that they keep or have "study" plans. We will see if and how they answer. Sent the email out last night. The are based in Argentina, so they should have been awake as I sent the email. Magnus was pretty quick with answering, we will see how quick the are. The waiting game begins...

I surely get your point and I completely understand your point and their stand. I´m just wondering because Mercedes Benz gave away their blueprints of the bus models they produce, just the drawings, no wiring or any other data, just dimensions, exact drawings of everything, so I had still to guess where exactly the pneumatic is set to open doors or so, but I got highly detailed blueprints of dimensions and all measurements required to build litterally a brnad new bus (which is not that easy though). The blueprints have been in DIN A0 and I still have them, was a huge folder with at least 15 drawings and blueprints, some even with detail drawings of the mechanisms of the door openers or axles. So yes, I get the point a but it still is a personal choice of the manufacturer / designer to hand over the blueprints. Surely, Mercedes Benz has more than one designer and I had to file a lot of data to Mercedes Benz before I got sent the folder with all the blueprints. Two meetings and lots of paperwork, but it was possible. Maybe I should ask German Frers (the designer) if they do a licensed version or something like that. Even if I don´t see the chances of that. The design is already 5 or 6 years old but unfortunately the newest edition, the HR69 looks pretty close to the HR57, so I think the design is still pretty on point. But would maybe a chance... if not... it will become a guessing game ^^ Micha

Now I know what the NRJ CD´s are lol... NRJ = Nautical Research Journal form the NRG... looks like I`m a bit slow sometimes lol

Thank you so much for the detailed answer. You know that I declared you right now as my personal mentor in doing that hull / yacht lol... I hope you agree. I think this will become a pretty nice journey... unfortunately maybe also a long one. Some skills I have to learn first but I`m a determend and quick learner. I will try to build such a jig frame. Will be only roughly one meter, so should be fine. Gladly the garage is empty (the Volvo doesn´t fit in lol) so there will be enough space for the yacht model build. I still don´t know what CD´s you are talking about. I will give uncle Google a go and will google for NRJ CD´s. Micha

Hi Jaager, thank you for your answer, what do you mean by doing a jig out of 2x4´s - as a U shape? Not sure if I get you here and what do you mean by a sliding yard stick? Mabye I´m lost right now or lost in translation (English is not my mothers tongue - that`s German) Also what are the NRJ CD´s? I hope it´s not an US thingy because then I might have issues to get those. I still have a pantgraph, not sure if it will be good enough for the project or if I should get a newer one lol... I´m sure you get laser levels that measure distances but not sure. I think the Milwaukee one will do it, I´ve tons of 18V (privately) and 12V (by the company) tools, would be not so bad to buy such a laser level (always wanted one - don´t ask, I like having tools lol). As sad as it sounds, I was already thinking to start with another modern yacht where the manufacturer might be more cooperative than Hallberg Rassy. Unfortunately that´s the yacht I love and always would like to have (always had good experiences with HR yachts in the past - much older models, to be fair). But yes, was thinking to ask manufacturers like Amel or Beneteau if they would support or project like that and start with one of theirs. Never thought about the point to face Magnus with that afterwards but I think it´s a good idea. What I just don´t understand is why they don´t support such projects, it just requires some contract that makes me not giving away the blueprints and some other points and it would be fine. Even a company like Mercedes Benz gave me their blueprints (don´t ask me about the size of them) of their buses and coaches, I built once a 1:10 model of the Citation Liner. Was no bother, I even got the login for a builders contract. Means I get all the news and changes if they change anything during production. So I don´t get the policy of HR but I have to live with it. But maybe when I do a really good job and then send Magnus a model of it, maybe he changes his mind then... thank you for this nice "advise". Micha

Hi Jaager, the 3D models (pictures) come from the manufacturer of the original yacht (like posted in the hull post already). I contacted Magnus Rassy already and they don´t give any additional sources as that are publicy available already. No blueprints, no more 3D pictures / models of the yacht. Therefore I won´t get any more details as I have already. If you tell me it is not possible this way I need to find another way to reproduce the hull by maybe wait till I find a yacht lifted out and scan the hull (don´t know if there are scanners I can afford that could scan an entire 57ft yacht) or I run out of options here and sacrifice the details and just make a hull close to the origin instead of keeping it as correct as possible. Micha

Thank you Allan, will have a look at this article. I´m not yet sure what material I should use. I´m tempted to use foam and seal it, but clay I could use and ask someone to mill it with a CNC (like the original hull plug is created). Just not sure how much and how easy it will be to get all that clay. In the scale I would like to do the model it would be roughly 872 mm (34.3") and that is a lot of clay... Micha

Dear fellow model builder, like I stated a couple of times, I want to build one day my own little dream yacht, a copy of an origin sailing yacht. I want to build it from scratch since there is no scale model of the yacht or any yacht fo that company available. Since I only have drawings and 3D model pictures of the yacht I was thinking fo creating a hull plug (like the origin as well) to make my own mold and then laminate the hull as the manufacturer of the origin yacht does. Now I´m wondering how to create this plug, the origin plug is milled by a huge CNC machine, unofortunately I don´t have the source of the blueprints nor a huge CNC mill. I was wondering if I could "sand" my own plug of either foam or clay and then use this to make the mold. Both has advantages and disadvantages though. Maybe there is even a complete different approach to consider, I don´t know and that´s why I ask here. Maybe someone has experience with such a problem already or maybe has ideas to steer me into the right direction. I know that a massive issue is that I don´t have any plans or lines to use as a plan to follow since the orignal yacht is glassfiber and therefore I can´t follow any planking. I only have 3D models (as pictures) and drawings (topview with deck and builds) and a sideview with the shape of the boat. Then I have various 3D models as pictures from different angles. I´m still figuring out how to bring this all together to get a proper shape of the hull but I know there must be a way. Not yet sure how... Micha (the picture is just an example and not of the actual yacht)

sooo... decision is done. I ordered the Billing Boats "Roar Ege" in 1/25 scale. Don´t know about the delivery times of cornwallmodelboats.co.uk but I hope it won´t take too long. Not sure about the paint, only ordered one tin (22ml) of paint yet, we will see how far I can go with that one. If not I have to order more of the colour. Really looking forward to it. Might need some help to create the log for the build but I´m pretty certain that there will be folks here to help me with that when I ask questions about it. Micha

nah, don´t think so Allan, no reason to apologise at all. At the end of the day, this little towns live from the tourists, the problem are more the camper vans that are unreasonable. When the beach car park is blocked by three camper vans and the locals barely can enter them to walk their dogs but another three camper vans squeeze themselves in, that´s when it gets annoying... even if i don´t understand it. I did / do camping to be on my own, to have freedom but than standing with 6 campervans (not always the smallest ones) in a car park designed for 8 passenger cars like sardines in a tin... Micha

Hi Andrew, let me say, the Balnakeil / Durness area is pretty nice, wish I would live there but visiting the area couple of times a year is already nice. Where I do live it´s also nice. I love the sea and when the waves crash over the harbour walls ^^. Living in a small fishing town is just what calms down my brain and myself, even if the tourists can be annoying sometimes lol Micha

Hi Jaager, thank you for the answer. I couldn´t find the Billing Boats "Torborg" anywhere for ordering but I found the Billing Boats "Roar Ege" which I think is also "easy" enough as a starter kit and available at three shops to buy. I also couldn´t find a log in the forum for building one of those. I like the norse history and this boat reminds me a bit to vikings (somehow connected to Scotland by history). Here is the boat / ship: https://www.billingboats.com/index.php/modelboats-footer/56/120/boats/advanced-beginner/P-bb703-roar-ege Micha

Hi Mark, I was wondering if the Artesania Latina 1/41 Virginia a good model would be for a beginner? They also offer a Billings 1/100 Bluenose II for around the same money. The look quiet nice and I thought they might be good boats to start with. Following the links to the both... https://www.wonderlandmodels.com/artesania-latina-virginia-schooner/ https://www.wonderlandmodels.com/billings-bluenose-ii/ Those are the two I´m considering. Micha

Thank you all for the answers and really great ideas / tipps. I think I will stick to the regular plastic deck and just use the model kit to get back into building at all. Then I will get a wooden kit and start with the wooden kit. At least that are my plans for the moment... still considering not to start immediately with a wooden kit. Just don´t know which one to choose lol

Hi John, I was more thinking of replacing the entire plastic deck with a wooden deck. So not just put a wooden deck onto the plastic, which as you stated may cause problems because of the height, but really leave the plastic deck and create / build one out of wood and put this one in. But thank you for the idea of sanding it down. Someone else made the suggestion that there are ready wooden deckings, especially for the Revell Cutty Sark 1/96. I had a look at those as well, unfortunately the wooden decking is almost the same price than the model kit. So not sure if this would really be an option.

Dear fellow builders, I´m new to the forum and returner to model building (my last build was 25 yrs ago). I would like to gain some skills to build my dream sail yacht from scratch one day. I got advised now to start with a wooden model kit. But since my last plastic build was 25 yrs ago I was wondering if a mixture from both worlds would be a good idea. To get back into scale building but also to start with wood. Therefore I thought to get (can get it "cheap") a Revell Cutty Sark 1/96 but using wood for the decking (not for the hull). DO you think that would be of advantage or even advised or should I just start with the wooden kit as advised or just start with the plastic kit frist again? Looking forward to your hints, advises and thoughts. Thank you in advance... Micha

Hello Jaager, I take it you advise me to start with smaller wooden sets instead of improving the "plastic" skills? A new approach to my route but I really will think about it. Also my last experience doing a plastic kit has been roughly 25 years ago. But I agree, working with wood is different to working with plastic materials, even different to resin. I agree completely on this one, you can´t even compare the rigging of a huge modern sail yacht (80tf and longer) with the rigging of any historical sailing ship. But you definitely can´t compare the rigging of a one mast sail yacht with a multi mast yacht or sailing ship from the 18th century or even older. Do you have a kit in mind here or ist it just a general advice to get started with the wood models? I have some books for building a sail yacht and about hull building. I owned a sail yacht many years ago, then I bought a 24ft six years ago which needed some work done to become seaworthy again till we found some dramatic damages on the keels so I bought books on hull building and yacht building in general. I hope those might help as well in doing the wood working and for my goal, building the HR57. I contacted Hallberg Rassy already and unfortunately Magnus Rassy explained to me that they don´t give away blueprints of their boats. Which I can understand somehow, even if I only want to rebuild a scale model of it but with the blueprints you could build your own Hallberg Rassy ^^. Therefore I have to go by the publicly posted and provided drawings and pictures. Micha

Thank you all guys, I really appreciate that kind and polite welcome. Michael

Hi Rich, thank you for the advise but I`m not new to wood working. I have done quiet a lot with wood already. Build two RV´s, rebuild my sailboats (one was a complete wooden boat - 28ft.). I also have done some other wood working stuff except furniture building, I have been carving for almost 15 yrs now so the wood working is not the scary thing, it`s more the scaled down ship work. I think it`s a difference if working on a life size sail boat or a miniature of it. I also have a former scale building history (25 yrs ago) with Star Trek Models like the U.S.S. Enterprise (NCC-1701, NCC-1701A, NCC-1701D), the U.S.S. Reliant NCC-1864, a Klingon Bird of Prey and some other models. Some of them equipped with lightning (no kits, all made myself) and I build some resin models like an Alien Queen, Predator and Freddy Kruger. But I want to gain more skills since this was a long time ago, the only experience which I never really gave up is the wood working. Michael

First of all thank you Chris for the intital post. I´m a "newbie" to this though even if I have a past with scale models. I build in the past models of the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701, NCC-1701A, NCC-1701D and the U.S.S. Reliant NCC-1864 as also the DS9 Space Station. The Runabout Rio Grande NCC-72452 and the Klingon Bird of Prey. But this are all "space ships" and not sail boats. Also I have build those roughly 25 yrs ago. The models still exist but nice stored in safe boxes. Since I sailed the Atlantic twice my love for the sea and sail yachts grew stronger so I came now to the idea that I want to build ships and not space ships anymore (even if I would like to rebuild a new Enterprise). I build a Revell 1/225 HMS Victory (more likely finished it but not to the standards I wish though) and was thinking of a Revell Cutty Sark 1/96 now. I want to increase my skills to build one day my private dream of a Hallberg Rassy 57 build from scratch (since there is no scale model of it). Also I wish to send you all my best wishes since you live where I always wanted to live, Greer, SC. I visited a couple of times Greenville because I´m a big Clemson Tigers fan. Kind regards, Michael

Hello everyone, I´m Michael and I live in a small fishing village on the Scottish North Coast. I was a sailor in younger age and still love and adore sailing boats / yachts. I found my first scale model (Revell HMS Victory 1/225) and got hooked up. I´m pretty new to scale models and therefore I have two different models in mind as the second one. There is a model of the Cutty Sark (1/96) from Revell and the 1/100 model of the HMS Victory from Heller. I want to do one or even both of them to increase my skills and then I would like to build from scratch my absolute dream yacht, a Hallberg Rassy 57. I know I need more skills for that. My wish would be to build the HR57 in a scale of 1/10 or 1/20, do you think that is too ambitious? Therefore I ask you guys if the Revell or Heller models are any good to increase my skills and if those are good models at all? Also what is the exact difference between the HMS Victory and the HMS Victory Starter Kit from Heller? If I get it correct the Starter Kit includes glue and the base colours? Thank you for your patience to read all this and I´m looking forward to your answers. Kind regards, Michael