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You as well, Keith. 

A bit of clarification (and last):  Contractor working upstairs slit water softener drain line.  So....40-50 gallons per minutes pumped at 4:30 AM.  I found out at 6:30 AM.   Home still filled with fans / dehumidifiers / other.  Another day or so and I can start the rebuild process.
 
Veterans Remembrance Day in the US today.  My hats off to all who have served (US or any country) and especially thoughts to those who gave their lives.
Mark  (former 1LT, US Army)

Dragged the ship upstairs, at least do something.  Need to work out the positioning of the 4 stern windows.  I started by creating a smooth line from the lower gunports, which provides the top and bottom line of the lower windows.
 
For a reference point I used the decal.  I taped where I thought it should be and poked holes through the window corners into the wood.  My intention is to carve into the wood and inset the frames (not use the decals).

Didn't look half bad (especially at the 3 foot mark haha) but did some tweeking.  Arrived at what I thought was a good position.  Still need to make the upper windows less wide but will think on that.  Lower ones same size as gun ports.

Decal already started falling apart, but that is a battle for another day on how to replace.
Mark

Thank you for your service, Mark.  From a former Marine. 

A bit of clarification (and last):  Contractor working upstairs slit water softener drain line.  So....40-50 gallons per minutes pumped at 4:30 AM.  I found out at 6:30 AM.   Home still filled with fans / dehumidifiers / other.  Another day or so and I can start the rebuild process.
 
Veterans Remembrance Day in the US today.  My hats off to all who have served (US or any country) and especially thoughts to those who gave their lives.
Mark  (former 1LT, US Army)

A bit of clarification (and last):  Contractor working upstairs slit water softener drain line.  So....40-50 gallons per minutes pumped at 4:30 AM.  I found out at 6:30 AM.   Home still filled with fans / dehumidifiers / other.  Another day or so and I can start the rebuild process.
 
Veterans Remembrance Day in the US today.  My hats off to all who have served (US or any country) and especially thoughts to those who gave their lives.
Mark  (former 1LT, US Army)

Do you ever have that recurring nightmare that a water line will burst directly over your workshop?  Good one.
 
Well, it happened.  Right now in the middle of cleaning it up.  Could have been worse.  The ships were saved, some of my other endeavors - not so much.  Food pantry significantly hit as well.

Needed to clean that place up anyway.....   🙂

Do you ever have that recurring nightmare that a water line will burst directly over your workshop?  Good one.
 
Well, it happened.  Right now in the middle of cleaning it up.  Could have been worse.  The ships were saved, some of my other endeavors - not so much.  Food pantry significantly hit as well.

Needed to clean that place up anyway.....   🙂

Okay - you had me with the water-colours for the bow and stern LOL.  The decals supplied being over 50 years old leaves little doubt to their usefulness.  I will take a look hopefully this weekend.
 
Keith- I do not believe rubbing strakes per se.  My best guess at this point (looking at everything else) is that this may have been an artifact of it being dry docked and for the initial shoring (before it was finalized).  Just my gut.
Mark

Mark, could those be rubbing strakes? 

Mark, I appreciate the circumstances under which you are creating this model. There are, however, a lot of free on-line resources that may help answer your questions, but that are not so easy to find using Google, if you don't know what to look for.
 
The above drawings from the navy-yard in Copenhagen are completely free and downloadable: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/other/index-creator/40/3353816/17149179.
 
I didn't have the time to go through the drawings, but there may be one of them that answers your question about these misterious seven features.
 
There are also water-colours for the bow- and stern-decorations.

Finally added the mysterious vertical pieces of lumber (7 per side) located between main gun ports.  The adjustment of the chain plates sure came in handy.  I did some adjusting on positioning - focusing on the location between gun ports.  These ports do not 'exactly' correspond with what is seen on the ship so keep that in mind.  Visually they look correct (the 3 foot test).  The hull has had some manipulations into its current form.

Almost set to begin the 2nd layer planking.
Mark

There must be a hotline available to call for help in such times (haha)
 
Spent this evening and......raised the chain plates up a 1/16".  All is right in the world again.  Made a world of difference in this 1/100 scale model.

One of the deciding points was that since it will be veneer planked, I could easily wood fill any scars and sand smooth.  

Okay note to self:  don't do that again.  
Stay Building My Friends, Mark

Finally added the mysterious vertical pieces of lumber (7 per side) located between main gun ports.  The adjustment of the chain plates sure came in handy.  I did some adjusting on positioning - focusing on the location between gun ports.  These ports do not 'exactly' correspond with what is seen on the ship so keep that in mind.  Visually they look correct (the 3 foot test).  The hull has had some manipulations into its current form.

Almost set to begin the 2nd layer planking.
Mark

Wow, Wefalck, that is quite a list.  Definitely shows some research and comprehensive look at the subject.
 
My ship is a 3-fer:  Stand 3 feet away and squint and you should be able to say what it is (haha).  Being a (raw) kit from the early 70's (I believe) there was a whole host of issues to tackle.  Being made for my Uncle who bought it originally, I am straddling a wide gap.  Started with insufficient information, with drawings that were not to scale and differed from the images I found on the net I am trying to make a presentable model without binning the whole thing.  
 
Appreciate the comment - that is for sure.  Any help or guidance on the direction I am taking is always looked for.
Mark

I am looking not too often into the section on kit-projects, mainly because the subjects are not so much of interest to me - my interest focuses mainly on mid- to later 19th century subjects. This includes mixed sail/steam naval vessels.
 
It may be a bit late in the game, but over the years I have collected quite a bit of information on JYLLAND, simply because a lot of information is available on her. Here is, what I think, a pretty comprehensive list of literature on her (a B denotes that this is a book, an E means that it is available on the WWW in digital form)
 
B - FELDTHUSEN, P.A., JEPPESEN, A. (1944): Fregatten Jylland i Krig og Fred.- 175 p., København (Gyldendalske Boghandel).
 
E - Frantzen, O.L. (1980): Fregatten Jyllands Artilleri.- Marinehistorisk Tidskrift, 13(3): 7-25, København (Marinehistorisk Selskab). 
 
B - HAMMER KJØLSEN, F. (1962): Fregatten Fortæller til Orlogs med Jylland for 100 Aar siden.- 155 p., København (Nationalmuseet/Rhodos).
 
B - KURE, B. (1995): Historien om fregatten Jylland.- 107 p.København (Høst & Son).
 
E - Steen Steensen, R. (1961): Fregatten Jylland.- Marinehistorisk Selskab skrift nr. 9: 59 p., København (Nationalmuseet).
 
As you will at some stage get to the artillery, here are some references to Danish artillery. I only listed those Danish sources that might be relevant to her main active period:
 
E - Andersen, P. (1909): Bidrag til Sjøartilleriets Historie. Udgivet med Understøttelse af Marineministeriet.- 189 p., Kjøbenhavn.
 
E - Anonym (1864): Oversigt over Udrustningerne fra November 1863 til November 1864.- Tidsskrift for Søvæsen: 345-374, Kjøbenhavn.
 
E - Anonym (1871): For- eller Bagladekanoner til Skibsbrug?.- Tidsskrift for Søvæsen, Ny Række, 6: 187-193, Kjøbenhavn.
 
B - ANONYM (1873): Haandbog for Sø-Artilleri-Exercerskolens Elever.- p., København ().
 
E - Blom, O. (1864): Om Flaadens Bevæbning.- Tidsskrift for Søvæsen: 306-339 / 401-430, Kjøbenhavn.
 
E - Blom, O. (1869): Flaadens Riffelkanoner.- Tidsskrift for Søvæsen, Ny Række, 4: 230-244 / 301-319, Kjøbenhavn.
 
E - Frantzen, O.L. (1980): Fregatten Jyllands Artilleri.- Marinehistorisk Tidskrift, 13(3): 7-25, København (Marinehistorisk Selskab). 
 
B - Frantzen, O.L., Mortensen, M.H., Probst, N.M., Thiede, S.E. (1999): Dansk søartilleri 1400-2000.- 64 p., København (Tøjhusmuseet).
 
E - Jessen, T. (1876): De riflede Kanoners Udvikling i vor Flaade.- Tidsskrift for Søvæsen, Ny Række, 11: 193-, Kjøbenhavn.
 
E - Tuxen, N.E. (1861): De nyere Krigsskibes Artilleri og Skibenes Blendering.- Tidsskrift for Søvæsen: 81-112, Kjøbenhavn.
 
And finally, here is a list of the drawings on JYLLAND and her sister ship NIELS JUEL in the Danish archives (sorry, some of the explanations are in German - I did not have the time to translate them):
 
B-240 NIELS JUEL.jpeg
G-1859-01 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1860-03 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1861-05 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1862-07 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1863-09 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1864-11 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1865-13 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1866-15 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1867-18 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1868-20 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1869-22 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1870-25 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1871-27 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1872-29 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1873-31 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1874-33 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1875-35 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1876-02 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1877-04 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1878-06 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1879-08 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1880-10 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1881-12 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1882-14 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1883-16 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1884-19 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1885-21 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1886-23 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1887-25 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1888-27 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1889-29 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1890-31 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1892-02 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1893-05 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1894-07 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1895-09 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1896-01 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg
G-1928-09 NIELS JUEL.jpeg
G-1929-11 NIELS JUEL.jpeg
G-2196-01 JYLLAND Artillerie.jpeg
G-2337-01 JYLLAND Faalreep.jpeg
G-2436-05 NIELS JUEL Finkennetze.jpeg
G-3053-03 NIELS JUEL.jpeg
G-3054-05 NIELS JUEL.jpeg
G-3055-07 NIELS JUEL.jpeg
G-3060-01 JYLLAND.jpeg
G-3062-01 JYLLAND.jpeg
G-3452-08 NIELS JUEL als Wohnschiff.jpeg
G-3453-10 NIELS JUEL als Wohnschiff.jpeg
G-3454-12 NIELS JUEL als Wohnschiff.jpeg
G-3455-14 NIELS JUEL als Wohnschiff.jpeg
G-4669-71 NIELS JUEL Küche.jpeg
G-4705-03 JYLLAND Küche.jpeg
G-4882-05 NIELS JUEL (1855) Großmast.jpeg
G-4883-07 NIELS JUEL (1855) Mastdoppelungen.jpeg
G-4884-09 NIELS JUEL (1855) Marsen.jpeg
G-4885-11 NIELS JUEL (1855) Großmast.jpeg
G-4886-13 NIELS JUEL (1855) Salinge.jpeg
G-4889-19 NIELS JUEL (1855) Großmast.jpeg
G-4890-21 NIELS JUEL (1855) Schloß Großmarsstenge.jpeg
G-4892-25 JYLLAND (1860) Masten.jpeg
G-4893-27 JYLLAND (1860) Bugspriet, Baum, Gaffel.jpeg
G-4894-29 JYLLAND (1860) Stengen.jpeg
G-4895-31 JYLLAND (1860) Unterrahen.jpeg
G-4896-33 JYLLAND (1860) Brahmrahen.jpeg
G-4897-35 JYLLAND (1860) Doppelungen, Marsen.jpeg
G-4898-37 JYLLAND (1860) Brahmrahen, Leesegelspieren.jpeg
G-4899-39 JYLLAND (1860) Doppelungen, Salinge.jpeg
G-4900-41 JYLLAND (1860) Marsen, Salinge.jpeg
G-4912-03 NIELS JUEL (1856) Stengen.jpeg
G-4978-05 NIELS JUEL (1856) Heck- und Seitendavits.jpeg
G-4979-07 JYLLAND (1860) Seitendavits.jpeg
G-5175-59 NIELS JUEL (1856) Ruderanlage.jpeg
G-5288-03 NIELS JUEL (1856) Brown & Lenox Patentspill.jpeg
 
Hope this information will be of some use in your further endeavours.
 
 

There must be a hotline available to call for help in such times (haha)
 
Spent this evening and......raised the chain plates up a 1/16".  All is right in the world again.  Made a world of difference in this 1/100 scale model.

One of the deciding points was that since it will be veneer planked, I could easily wood fill any scars and sand smooth.  

Okay note to self:  don't do that again.  
Stay Building My Friends, Mark

Got the entry port cut out and the platform inserted.  Was moving on to the external vertical posts between some main gunports.  When comparing to the actual pics I noticed something.....
 
I had put on the chain plates even with the deck beams (in this case the false deck).  Never thought a second about it. But....as I looked at the ship pics the positioning was different as defined between the upper and lower ports.  Moving the chain plates up a 1/16" (equal with the decking) made things a whole lot more consistent.  Bummer.  The CPs are totally locked in, glued and looking perfect.  Given the rest of the kit is a 'representation' with several issues all around I am thinking of leaving things as is.  My Uncle isn't getting any younger.

BTW:  There will a leading trim piece added to each long edge of the chain plates once the actual chains are added (to capture them).  So much more tidy than trying to drill holes and insert them.
 
Any thoughts?
Mark

Thanks Keith, appreciate it.
 
Using a dowel, I created a pseudo mast to replicate the masthead height for all three masts.  This allows me to verify the width of the chain plates as well as the location of the shrouds themselves.  Quick easy tool that has loads of benefits.

You can also see I have created (and attached) all of the 6 chainplates.  Ended up using 1/16" Basswood keyed into the hull.

Pretty darn strong this way - just hope I do not snap any of these off between now and the end of the build.  Additionally allows pretty precise placement (over and over again until glued).  I still have the platform for the port of entry to do, then on to the vertical wood beams between gun ports.
Mark

After slicing the tip of my thumb off (not even hobby related) back to getting the chain plates on so I can start the second planking.

For strength I like to key them in.  A little more work but I think worth it.  First step was to sand the facing edge flush against the hull side.  Important step is to get all the bevels correct so chain plate parallel to waterline and not perpendicular to hull.

I can still work the mating surface for an even better fit but keep remembering there is still a veneer planking which will cover the entire joint.

Mark

Next step was to mark the copper line.  Put the ship back into the building slip and (gently) ran a fixed pencil line at the appropriate level.  The copper section will be replicated using just paint.  The upper section will be planked with veneer.

I then marked ribs at 5 foot scale intervals.  This will allow me to align the plank ends up.  Probably going with 15 foot scale plank lengths.
To finish everything off I marked off the chain plates.  These will be built next and keyed into the hull for strength.  One of the bonuses of double planking is that the planking can effectively cover up any joins.

The hawse hole rings are currently press fit and can be removed easily.  Just having fun.
Mark

Even as I sit here, my eye is twitching and I just have to keep staring at the issue.  Must not grab knife......

Got the entry port cut out and the platform inserted.  Was moving on to the external vertical posts between some main gunports.  When comparing to the actual pics I noticed something.....
 
I had put on the chain plates even with the deck beams (in this case the false deck).  Never thought a second about it. But....as I looked at the ship pics the positioning was different as defined between the upper and lower ports.  Moving the chain plates up a 1/16" (equal with the decking) made things a whole lot more consistent.  Bummer.  The CPs are totally locked in, glued and looking perfect.  Given the rest of the kit is a 'representation' with several issues all around I am thinking of leaving things as is.  My Uncle isn't getting any younger.

BTW:  There will a leading trim piece added to each long edge of the chain plates once the actual chains are added (to capture them).  So much more tidy than trying to drill holes and insert them.
 
Any thoughts?
Mark

Catheads and braces, along with hawse holes in place.

Now to define the dividing line to the copper plates.  Additionally will pencil in faux bulkheads every 5 feet (every 5/8 inches) from this line to top of bulwark.  This will allow me to stagger the joints of the 2nd planking.  Still need to figure out the width of the planks themselves.  Looks like 4 rows per gunport  is an estimate.  Question is, do I do 2 rows to make it look better at scale.

 

Mark
p.s.  Need to identify the locations of the vertical posts.  Might be better to add prior to 2nd layer planking.

Thanks Keith, appreciate it.
 
Using a dowel, I created a pseudo mast to replicate the masthead height for all three masts.  This allows me to verify the width of the chain plates as well as the location of the shrouds themselves.  Quick easy tool that has loads of benefits.

You can also see I have created (and attached) all of the 6 chainplates.  Ended up using 1/16" Basswood keyed into the hull.

Pretty darn strong this way - just hope I do not snap any of these off between now and the end of the build.  Additionally allows pretty precise placement (over and over again until glued).  I still have the platform for the port of entry to do, then on to the vertical wood beams between gun ports.
Mark