WWII Soviet Naval Colors

[alross2]

I'm looking for the official paint names used by the Soviet Navy in WWII.  In the US Navy, for instance, there was Haze Gray (5-H), Ocean Gray (5-o), etc., and I'm looking for the Soviet designations of their paints.  Among other things, I'm trying to determine the colors used on this Lend/Leased Higgins PT, which was assigned to the Northern Fleet.  The white is rather obvious, but the two darker shades are probably grays or blues.  Not looking for conjecture or guesses.  As SGT Joe Friday used to say, "Just the facts,.."  Thanks.

 

TK211

Edited February 26, 2021 by alross2

[lmagna]

6 hours ago, alross2 said:

Not looking for conjecture or guesses

Not certain if your criteria can be met but here are a few choices that I would trust if I was looking for the same information.

 

Vegaskip As an artist who paints on this subject often and beautifully, I would be surprised if he didn't have considerable resources and information well beyond his own not insignificant knowledge.

Valeriy V I suspect that he is well researched and knowledgeable on this subject as well and certainly has a command of English that can be helpful.

 

I am certain that there are also other active members with the required information, but a quick PM to either of both of these talented and able people I suspect will either be able to answer your question, hopefully to your satisfaction, or be able to point you in the right direction.

Edited February 26, 2021 by lmagna

[Valeriy V]

I have information on the painting of ships of the USSR Navy for the post-war period. Perhaps it will be useful.

[alross2]

Thank you!  This is precisely the type of information for which I am looking, despite it being post-WWII.  Is this booklet scanned or otherwise available online?  Are there other color chips in it?  Do you know whether the colors changed post-WWII?  This was the case with USN colors during and after WWII.  The names remained the same, but the actual colors were different, sometimes remarkedly so.  

Edited February 27, 2021 by alross2

[Valeriy V]

42 minutes ago, alross2 said:

Thank you!  This is precisely the type of information for which I am looking, despite it being post-WWII.  Is this booklet scanned or otherwise available online?  Are there other color chips in it?  Do you know whether the colors changed post-WWII?  This was the case with USN colors during and after WWII.  The names remained the same, but the actual colors were different, sometimes remarkedly so.  

This is a 295-page book "Ship Painting Rules." But only 2 pages, which I scanned for you, are devoted to the colors of the external coloring.

It should be borne in mind that these are recommendations for the selection of paint colors, and not strict rules.

 

As far as I know, the Soviet navy did not adhere to very strict shades of colors. The sailors even have a saying on this score - "what kind of paint the boatswain will make, we will paint this way."

Edited February 27, 2021 by Valeriy V

[Canute]

That's pretty true in most navies. USN colors came as mixing kits, with a base and tints for mixing, than premixed. Same for a lot of other businesses, such as railroads. The quality control of the mixing was non-existent. So, who's to say how accurate a particular color is.