hof00 Posted February 5, 2023 Share #1 Posted February 5, 2023 Hi All, I have a question for the Forum and am hoping for some advice. I have 3 DKM Flags, two for Bow/Stern Flagstaffs and one "War Pennant" that has a lanyard from the Deck to the Main Mast. So, do I form the Deal around the Flagstaff's/Lanyard, or do I wrap Foil around and then the Decal? (I seem to recall foil being used somewhere....) I wish to put the Decals on prior to installing Flagstaff's/Lanyard. Any sage opinion/advice would be very much appreciated. Cheers....HOF. mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted February 5, 2023 Share #2 Posted February 5, 2023 Wish I could answer this one for you, but it's always had me stumped as well. Strictly, a flag is a separate piece of fabric that is (I think) attached to the hoist (i.e. the rope) at top and bottom corners and hauled up with the hoist going through a block. But that's in the real world. Depending on the scale of your model that may be completely impractical. And the fact that it's a decal, not a piece of cloth or paper makes it even further outside my experience. All I can do is wish you good luck with it. Steven hof00, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hof00 Posted February 6, 2023 Author Share #3 Posted February 6, 2023 4 hours ago, Louie da fly said: Wish I could answer this one for you, but it's always had me stumped as well. Strictly, a flag is a separate piece of fabric that is (I think) attached to the hoist (i.e. the rope) at top and bottom corners and hauled up with the hoist going through a block. But that's in the real world. Depending on the scale of your model that may be completely impractical. And the fact that it's a decal, not a piece of cloth or paper makes it even further outside my experience. All I can do is wish you good luck with it. Steven Thanks Steve. Appreciated. Cheers and Regards, Harry, Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe100 Posted February 12, 2023 Share #4 Posted February 12, 2023 (edited) Since your model depicts the ship on operation, you only need two flags. The ensign and the admiral’s flag. If you decide to add the flag at the stern, it will be rigged like this: However, Bismarck was only flying 2 flags while at sea unless she was signaling PG. In Norway, since the flagstaff and jackstaff were removed, only the ensign and admirals flag were being flown. As for creating the flag, I make mine by either custom painting them on silkspan for larger models, or painting directly onto primed aluminum foil. You can wrap the decal around some aluminum foil, that works too, but I don’t think it gives the best results. Make sure you prime the aluminum well if you do this, as the decal needs something to bite onto. I find that flags that hang down, as if in little to no wind, not only look the best but are easiest to place since their weight is directed downward instead of out and down. This is the flag Admiral Lütjens would have flown: Edited February 12, 2023 by Joe100 Canute, mtaylor and hof00 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hof00 Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share #5 Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) On 2/12/2023 at 2:26 PM, Joe100 said: Since your model depicts the ship on operation, you only need two flags. The ensign and the admiral’s flag. If you decide to add the flag at the stern, it will be rigged like this: However, Bismarck was only flying 2 flags while at sea unless she was signaling PG. In Norway, since the flagstaff and jackstaff were removed, only the ensign and admirals flag were being flown. As for creating the flag, I make mine by either custom painting them on silkspan for larger models, or painting directly onto primed aluminum foil. You can wrap the decal around some aluminum foil, that works too, but I don’t think it gives the best results. Make sure you prime the aluminum well if you do this, as the decal needs something to bite onto. I find that flags that hang down, as if in little to no wind, not only look the best but are easiest to place since their weight is directed downward instead of out and down. This is the flag Admiral Lütjens would have flown: Thanks for that Joe. I have created two of the three flags using a piece of Aluminum Foil sandwiched by the Decal. I run a piece of rigging through this first for a Lanyard. (Longer for the Ensign.) (The madness for the method, (Making Flags), was a link sent to me by OC in the build log.) Article provided by OC:: http://www.modelwarships.com/features/current/flags/flags.html I don't particularly like the Bow Flag, I think it looks a little "Cheap." With my "Lanyard" for the Stern Flag, it'll be attached something like the photo. 🙂 Cheers and Regards, Harry. Edited February 15, 2023 by hof00 Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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