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  1. Best and most comprehensive (and believable!) model railway layout I've ever see. As an old rail modeller I'm completely gobsmacked. It's a pity that all railway modellers seem to be either Dwayne Dibbley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Red_Dwarf_characters#Dwayne_Dibbley or eventually turn out to be the murderer in tv crime shows . . . Except of course for Gomez Addams - that's the way to run a model railway! Steven
  2. Nothing new under the sun . . . Look at what happens at 3.00 minutes into the video . . . Steven
  3. Yes - regular as clockwork for a cuppa and a bit of knitting . . . Steven
  4. What a great build.Very nice work. What an amazing vehicle! Whatever possessed them to even think of it, much less put it into production? And yet must have been useful if the Germans took over and used captured ones. Stven
  5. D'oh! I never noticed the date of the first post. But it has sparked my interest in merchant ships of the mid-17th century, something I'd never really thought about before. Steven
  6. Thanks, Kris - yes, the Yenikapi wrecks (along with prof Pryor's book Age of the Dromon) are the major source of information I've been using for my dromon model. All of the structure and much of the hull shape and details are based on the galley wreck YK2 and YK4 on pages 65-68. I've been in touch with Cemal Pulak who supervised these digs and he's been extremely helpful, answering questions and suggesting solutions to problems, and discussions of possible configurations for such things as the ramming spur at the bow, and the mast step (of which several have been recovered, but no-one's sure exactly how they worked). I've been amazed how helpful academics and archaeologists can be when a mere ship modeller gets in touch and asks for assistance. I think it's something to do with having a shared passion. Steven
  7. Stanley Kubrik's movies (including 2001) often use classical music for dramatic effect. I would never have associated the Blue Danube waltz with outer space, but watching the movie it was "of course! Why didn't I think of it before?". The opening scene of Clockwork Orange - Purcell's Music for the Funeral of Queen Mary (on moog synthesiser) - is perfectly sinister. And we won't talk about what's going on when they play Rossini's William Tell Overture. And the music in Barry Lyndon (another Kubrik movie, which unfortunately sank without trace) converted my housemate to classical music. Or the final scene of Doctor Strangelove, with Vera Lynn singing "We'll meet again" as the H-bombs start going off . . . But there are so many movies where classical music is used to set the scene and create a mood, it's almost impossible to list them. Steven
  8. Well, yes, she was a merchant ship: from page 56 of the book Scottish Emigration to Colonial America, 1607-1785 by David Dobson, which you can find by Googling Phoenix of Leith. It might also have some family info for you. Steven
  9. Good point, Carl. The dromon has a sort of cathead called, if I recall correctly, a peribolos, which wouldn't stand up to a chain being repeatedly pulled up over it - that's assuming that my interpretation of the contemporary picture is in fact a peribolos, and that it works the way I've made it. So, it looks like I won't be using chain . . . . Steven
  10. Good point, Carl. But with the anchors being so light ( the heaviest could probably be lifted by two people) it's likely they'd just pick it up chain and all and throw it into the sea. Maybe - a lot of speculation going on, I'm afraid. I'm not really fixated on having a chain. I'm just trying to work out whether it would be likely to have one, or just an anchor cable. If only on a linguistic basis, I'm still more inclined to go with just rope - the original Greek would better translated this way, and there are so many downsides to having a chain that I hadn't thought about but have been brought to my attention by this discussion. Steven
  11. So it appears that if she's the Phoenix "of Leith" she would be a Scottish ship. Probably a fairly modest merchant ship, and built before 1666 - perhaps decades before - say 1630-1650. I think TallShipTragic's example might be rather too sophisticated and incorporating later details such as what appears to be a gallery near the stern that the Phoenix probably wouldn't have had. Probably only a very small number of guns and a simple sail plan - courses, topsails and a lateen mizzen, plus a small square sail on the bowsprit (that "mast" sticking out sideways at the front, or pointy end). Have a look at Backer's superbly researched thread on the Golden Hind/Pelican at - though too early for your purposes it forms a point to begin from - hull shape and rig didn't change all that much in the time between Golden Hind and Phoenix, but there were changes, such as in the shape of the beakhead and if I'm not wrong, the aftercastle was somewhat lower in later ships. There won't be any available plans for the Phoenix - she almost certainly never had any, being built by rule of thumb. Merchant ships, though by far the most common type, are always the poor relations when it comes to contemporary representations because painters etc want to show big naval battles, important ships etc - that's what the people with money are prepared to pay for. There's the occasional "panorama of XXX sea-port" that shows ordinary ships, but you have to search for them, and I can't off the top of my head think of one from about 1640-50. But with a bit of research you could build a model of a ship of her type and approximate size. The only even vaguely contemporary model of a merchant ship available as a kit would be of the Mayflower, (Billing, Model Shipways and Artesania Latina each have kits) but she was already old in 1620. However, it might be possible to "kit-bash" to make her look more like the pictures below of ships closer in time to the Phoenix. Depending on how ambitious you want to be and what your modelling skills are you might want to use the pics below to draft a set of plans of your own and build her from scratch. If you need any help with that there are plenty of people on this forum who would be glad to point you in the right direction and give you a hand with drawing up the plans (there's a whole section of this forum devoted to that). The first picture is from the 1629 Architectura Navalis by the German Joseph Furrtenbach and probably depicts something somewhat bigger and grander than the Phoenix (probably too many guns and I wonder about the stern gallery) but the general idea seems about right. This was probably cutting edge in 1629 - a small merchant ship built some decades later would probably be similar because the lower end ships would have been fairly conservative (i.e. a bit out of date). And from 1616 the Livro de Tracas de Carpintaria by the Portuguese Manuel Fernandes there are some worthwhile pictures which incorporate some very worthwhile details of hull shape: The more modest of the above are probably a pretty good representation of the kind of ship the Phoenix was, allowing for the fact that the quality of the art is pretty basic. The second-last one is very pretty but she's probably too big. The top coloured pic is most likely more like it - there are two ships represented on that picture; the upper one looks about the right size, and although the lower one shows too big a ship, the shape seen from above probably has the "tubbiness" you'd expect in a merchant ship. If you look at the black and white pic at the bottom you'll see that this ship is narrower in relation to its length - it would be a better sailer, but wouldn't be able to carry so much cargo. Both German and Portuguese shipbuilding conventions (and the shape of ships) would have been different from those of Scotland, but it's pretty much all we have to go on. But with the above as a guide I believe you could make a very creditable model which wouldn't be exactly what the Phoenix looked like but would be as close as possible given the available information. Steven

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