sport29652 Posted February 28, 2013 #1 Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) Have been lurking watching others build their san frans and thought I'd throw my hat into the ring. Im right at The rigging stage and though it would be smart to get help. plus I'm starting the MS rattlesnake and know thats going to be interesting . Doing this from my phone will upload pics from there hopefully Edited March 1, 2013 by sport29652 Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time."
fish Posted February 28, 2013 #2 Posted February 28, 2013 Welcome to the San Fran club, I also have the rattlesnake waiting in the proverbial grass... -Aaron Quote “The World is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page.” - Augustine Current Build: Artesania Latina San Francisco II 1:90 Scale On the Shelf: Model Shipways Armed Virginia Sloop 1:48 Scale
Garward Posted February 28, 2013 #3 Posted February 28, 2013 I welcome one more builder of SF! Quote Best regards, Garward Is under construction Montanes Ready models Golden Star Corsair San Francisco II Bronze 24-pdr canone Le Fleuron Bronze 24-pdr canone Le Fleuron (second version)
sport29652 Posted February 28, 2013 Author #4 Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) have come a long way since these pictures, I think this was just prior to christmas. Will take some current pic's tonight without the coffee Edited February 28, 2013 by sport29652 Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time."
sport29652 Posted March 1, 2013 Author #5 Posted March 1, 2013 Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time."
sport29652 Posted March 1, 2013 Author #6 Posted March 1, 2013 Here is my deck stuff, cannons lifeboat ect.... Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time."
sport29652 Posted March 1, 2013 Author #7 Posted March 1, 2013 (edited) Hugh...... Haven't figured out which way is up apparently. So here is where I am at currently. any and all feedback is welcome and any experiences that I have had, I am more than happy to share. This is my second kit, and I have two more kits waiting to go :ms rattlesnake and ms constitution (actually started my rattlesnake and will start that post tonight). So back to my San Fran. I am currently rigging my cannon and will start the shrouds? I think that's what they are called. So any advice or possible stumbling blocks u see coming my way let me know. Also many thanks to all those other San Fran builders on the original site I would not have gotten this far without them. Edited March 1, 2013 by sport29652 Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time."
sport29652 Posted March 3, 2013 Author #8 Posted March 3, 2013 Started attaching my deadeyes. Now I am questioning my method. How much strain will be placed on these when I attached the rat lines to the masts. Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time."
lamarvalley Posted March 3, 2013 #9 Posted March 3, 2013 Looks real good Eric. You're way past me as I am just about to start planking within the next day or so. A lot of SF builders to watch and learn from. All good. Randy Quote
fish Posted March 4, 2013 #10 Posted March 4, 2013 Eric, What hockey team do you cheer for in Nevada? -Aaron Quote “The World is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page.” - Augustine Current Build: Artesania Latina San Francisco II 1:90 Scale On the Shelf: Model Shipways Armed Virginia Sloop 1:48 Scale
sport29652 Posted March 4, 2013 Author #11 Posted March 4, 2013 san jose, how'd you know i was a die hard haockey fan? Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time."
fish Posted March 4, 2013 #12 Posted March 4, 2013 I saw it in your profile. Hockey is sort of a big deal here. Not like the steelers though. -Aaron Quote “The World is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page.” - Augustine Current Build: Artesania Latina San Francisco II 1:90 Scale On the Shelf: Model Shipways Armed Virginia Sloop 1:48 Scale
sport29652 Posted March 4, 2013 Author #13 Posted March 4, 2013 although I am having a good time building ships, I could not live without playing hockey. You still play? Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time."
fish Posted March 4, 2013 #14 Posted March 4, 2013 No, I am too busy with work, night school, and hobbies. I LOVE to watch hockey, I would rather go to a hockey game any day than a football game, fans are classy and respectful. Plus its just a lot of fun to watch. -A Quote “The World is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page.” - Augustine Current Build: Artesania Latina San Francisco II 1:90 Scale On the Shelf: Model Shipways Armed Virginia Sloop 1:48 Scale
sport29652 Posted March 4, 2013 Author #15 Posted March 4, 2013 There is a culture taht goes with hockey that unless you are part of it you dont get it. Most people on the outside only see the fighting or the confusing rules, but there is so much more to it than that. Good luck to your penguins this year if crosby can keep healthy maybe youll have a shot fish 1 Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time."
fish Posted March 4, 2013 #16 Posted March 4, 2013 Thanks, good luck to you too. It is sort of disappointing that there are no east vs west games this season. Quote “The World is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page.” - Augustine Current Build: Artesania Latina San Francisco II 1:90 Scale On the Shelf: Model Shipways Armed Virginia Sloop 1:48 Scale
sport29652 Posted March 11, 2013 Author #17 Posted March 11, 2013 So the past week or so I installed the bowsprit and the shrouds (think that's what they are called). For the shrouds I simply wrapped the wire around the dead eye and applied some super glue. Seems strong. Onto rigging my cannons. Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time."
lamarvalley Posted March 11, 2013 #18 Posted March 11, 2013 Looks good Eric. I love the color of the mahogany, did you stain or is it a natural oil or lacquer? I also like your doors... simple but far better than the stamped metal that came with the kit IMO. I also have played with a replacement but it's not ready for a showing yet, still planking the hull. Quote
sport29652 Posted March 11, 2013 Author #19 Posted March 11, 2013 It's a toung oil finish with a lacquer already in it. I love the look of figured wood so if at all possible i choose a wood that contrasts rather than staining. Thank you for the compliments I really question my scratch building but I can't stand the metal supplied in this kit. I think the scale is all out of whack. I'm trying to use methods or rigging to apply to my next build (ms rattlesnake) so the rigging on the cannons will reflect the ms instructions which are not period for this ship. Wish I had found this site before I begin the model. Was not until I started planking the hull with that mahogany that I sought help and by that time I had already laied my deck. Wish I would have put in tree nails and caulking. Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time."
lamarvalley Posted March 11, 2013 #20 Posted March 11, 2013 I'm with you, I much prefer to see the natural grain and coloration of a fine wood than to stain unless I must. I also did not like some of the metal fittings so I spent the last hour or 2 creating doors. Not sure that I like them so I might go with yet another version. The thing I really want to redo is the birds-nest or whatever it's called. Those metal ones are not very attractive. That ones a bit harder tho and I haven't figured how to tackle it yet. Quote
sport29652 Posted March 11, 2013 Author #21 Posted March 11, 2013 I thought about re-doing the birds nest but the time to do that would slow me down and I am alredy chipping away at my rattlesnake. THeir are so many san fran builders out there I am supprised that someone has not made a praticum. The model could be great with some bashing. I see great ideas from each person, and if these could be compiled, the model that would come out of it woulb be great. Also I sugest getting different rigging line, or treating the line supplied with the kit. The black line I used on the front of the ship is line I bought from nature coast. I used leather dye on it and it removed all of the fuzzies and does not bleed with glue. Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time."
lamarvalley Posted March 11, 2013 #22 Posted March 11, 2013 The supplied crows nest bug me. I'm not sure how yet but I'm going to give it a whirl. Soon. Quote
sport29652 Posted March 12, 2013 Author #23 Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) So I thought it would be cool to fully rig the cannons right?so as you can see FAIL. Maybe a single block with the line tied off at the bulkhead? I would appreciate any ideas Edited March 12, 2013 by sport29652 Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time."
lamarvalley Posted March 12, 2013 #24 Posted March 12, 2013 Yeah, it's a bit crowded with the ladder/steps so close. I'm not real sure what the fix could be as I haven't really thought about these steps yet. Spent part of the day redoing the doors and then realized I made 6, forgetting about the large one on the stern. Oh well, that one will be different I guess. I also looked into and and bought a planking iron or as the hobby shop calls it a sealing iron for attaching and smoothing the skin of a model airplane. Holy freaking cow... how great wood bends when it is wet and being steamed by this miniature iron. Nice call, thanks! What did you do to your cannons to blacken? Is it just flat black paint? I'm changing some color schemes and am leaning to black more than brass. Quote
sport29652 Posted March 13, 2013 Author #25 Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) I used this gun black on all of my brass parts. 1/3 blacken 2/3 water. The cannons blackens nicely some if the othe parts required a soak in vinagar and or a buff with fine steel wool. Some of the parts had a sooty residue one them. When I buffed them with the wool and then re blackened they came out pretty dark almost like paint, some of the cannons look just like a blued gun. I prefer the black over brass looks just a little more real. Would live to see your scratch doors. Almost forgot you can get the gun black at any gun store for like $5. Edited March 13, 2013 by sport29652 Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time."
sport29652 Posted March 13, 2013 Author #26 Posted March 13, 2013 So heres my single block idea (nothing glued or trimmed so their is some stray line). What does everyone think? Is it even realistic would this have been used and if so would the block be on the gun or on the bulkhead ? Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time."
sport29652 Posted March 17, 2013 Author #27 Posted March 17, 2013 So for the past week I have been working on my masts. Using a file and my lathe shaped the tops. Eyeballed allot of it and at this point am crossing my fingers hoping it works out. At this point adding the rope reinforcements to the masts. Really don't like the thread supplied with this kit so I have been using thread from jotika. Dyed it black using kiwi shoe leather dye. The dye stiffens the line just a little bit and eliminates all of the fuzzies. Picked this up from volcanbommers San Fran II build on the old site. Hopping to hear some feedback on my gun rigging issue, ttyl Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time."
sport29652 Posted March 29, 2013 Author #28 Posted March 29, 2013 So haven't posted anything for bit because I was stuck on the gun rigging issue. Decided to just simplify the issue and eliminated the double block (boooo hissssss). I know it's a total bail on how it should be done but if I hadent moved ahead my san Fran would have ended up on a shelf. Really enjoying the rigging. My time tying flies seems to be paying off. Also need to get some decent tweezers the harbor freight ones are doing a very good job. Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time."
lamarvalley Posted March 29, 2013 #29 Posted March 29, 2013 Hi Eric, Glad you're putting the cannons behind you as she does deserve to be on a shelf just not like you meant... half done Double blocks?? I honestly need to do more research to understand that term much less how it should be done... for what it's worth, I think the latest pic looks great! Randy Quote
Shazmira Posted March 29, 2013 #30 Posted March 29, 2013 Best advice I ever got from someone is "this is your build, do it the way that you are satisfied with. You are not building to please anyone but yourself!" I also echo what Randy said...I will do the research when I get to that point lol. Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version)
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