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  1. It does help. Thank you! For some background I'm making the 3d model for a video game mod based on the Golden Age of Piracy, circa 1715. The drawing of the Antelope does help. I've never heard the cabin on the quarter deck being referred to as the round house. I always thought it was the semi circle heads at the head of the ship. From my understanding the round house's function depended on whether or not a ship had a whip staff or a wheel. Would it be safe to assume if the ship I make has a wheel instead of the whip staff the captain would be quartered up there, and therefor the cabin would be longer than it previously was, such as the cabin depicted here http://nauticalhistory.weebly.com/the-70-gun-third-rate-prince-frederick-of-1714.html ? As for parts like capstans, channels, bitts .etc would it be safe to use a 70 gun as reference from this time period? It doesn't have to be 100% accurate, just authentic, because this model would fill the roles of many different ships of its size.
  2. Thanks for the information guys but it kind of miss what I was looking for. I have a bunch of references of certain bits here and there, of this and that, but nothing that's as complete and descriptive of a 4th rate from circa 1715 that I need to make a 3d model of one with a full interior. I already have line drawings but they're lacking specific details, such as bitts, capstans, gun ports, channels .etc. I can't find detail pictures of many 4th rate model from the early 18th century, but I can find a lot of pictures of 3rd rates models from the same period. I have to work with what I got, so I can take my building cues for specific parts from a 3rd rate? Thanks.
  3. Hey everyone, so I'm making a 3d model of an early 18th century 50 gun English Man-O-War, based on the HMS Swallow, but I pretty much have zero references for this ship. I have however found a lot of stuff for a 70 gun ship. So my question is, can I take a lot of my building cues from a 70 gun ship, such as this one http://nauticalhistory.weebly.com/the-70-gun-third-rate-prince-frederick-of-1714.html? I have also notice some ships have a short cabin on the quarter deck while this one has a longer one. Are short cabins on 50 gunners more common than long cabins? Can I get away with making a longer cabin? Thank guys!
  4. Thanks! Any pictures or did they all just look the same?
  5. Does anybody have any information about spyglasses circa 1715...or if they were even common on sailing ships? Thanks.
  6. Small note this is the flag modern day folklore attributes to Blackbeard, but that actually wasn't his flag. In Charles Johnson's A General History of the Pirate, published 1724, there's an engraving of Blackbeard with his ship in the background flying a black flag with a skull https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackbeard#/media/File:Edward_Teach_Commonly_Call'd_Black_Beard_(bw).jpg
  7. It wasn't usual for pirates to add carvings to a ship, much less skulls (skulls weren't a common art form on ships). Pirates often changed out their ships within a few months and didn't have time, skill or the desire to make wood carvings. If I remember correctly Benjamin Hornigold had to sell of his favorite ship the Besheba because it was being ate up by worms. Instead pirates would devote most of their effort for ship maintenance and upgrades on other tasks, such as cleaning the bottoms and adding more cannon or swivel guns. As far as flags goes the skull and crossbones didn't come around until the early 18th century. During the age of the buccaneers they used a black flag. Also some pirates didn't fly the flags we think they flew. For example, Blackbeard never flew the popular flag that was attributed to him. Instead he just had a black flag with a skull on it. Also keeping a dead, rotting corpse on a ship is a precarious thing. Not saying it didn't happen, but it surely didn't happen often at all. I heard somewhere pirates wore jewelry to finance their own burial on land which isn't true since they wouldn't have kept dead bodies aboard.
  8. Please excuse me while I remove my foot from my mouth. Probably not the best way to describe how confusing naval jargon sounds. I think you're referring to the deck stoppers that held the anchor cable while riding. I meant the piece of rope or device that held the anchor to the cat head so the cat block could be removed and then when ready a rope was pulled to release the knot or the device, letting go of the anchor to fall into the ocean.
  9. Jud, normal people would have no clue what you just said and would simply assume you're having a stroke. I'm still quite puzzled by the cat stopper (that's what they called the piece of rope that dropped the anchor, right?). I did some research have found how to tie a Farrimon friction hitch and it would seem possible that knot with a good, strong rope could hold up a 1 1/2 ton anchor on a cat head, but apparently this knot was invented in 2008. I know large ships in the 1800s had a metal device for releasing the anchor, but I seriously doubt they had something like that for sloops in 1715.
  10. Someone sent me a small excerpt from one of Chapelle's books "The absence of a windlass, or capstan, in many of the American schooners of this period requires explanation. The relatively large crews, particularly in privateers or letters-of-marque, could manhandle the cable and anchors by means of tackles stopped to the cable. The tackles were double or treble purchaces laid out on deck on each side, one block secured aft and the other to the cable near the hawse. The tackes were worked alternately, and the running block was secured by strops (short pieces of rope) passed around the hook or eye of the block and then around the cable. The strop was passed so that it jambed on the cable and could either be quickley thrown of or secured. " So it seems it was possible to forego the use of a windlass or capstan for light anchors. But here's another question. How was the cat stopper rigged on a sloop with a anchor typical of a ship this size? I'm assuming it was a simple slip knot passed around the cat head and the anchor ring with the running end leading aft clear of the laidout anchor cable. I would image a couple strong sailors would be able to pull it to drop the anchor.
  11. Ok, awesome picture. That cannon though, oh Lord. So it would be okay to assume that a traditional windlass would be in its place in the real Providence. Does the providence have a metal frame? Then it's not a realistic replica, like the Le Hermione is.
  12. Does the sloop Providence have a windlass or capstan? I can't find any pictures of Providence with a capstan. She clearly doesn't have a windlass. I know it's a replica, but surely they would have included a capstan if she did carry one.
  13. I'm making a 3d model of a generic sloop circa 1715. I thought that they were omitted from the plans for simplicity sake, but then why does everyone make ship models without those parts? To be honest, I don't think they had riding bitts for some sloops. Instead I think they rigged stoppers from the ring bolts on the deck and that was sufficient to hold the cable while riding.
  14. I mean a true sloop, not a brig, snow, brigantine, cutter. Most models I see of a sloop don't include a windlass, a capstan or riding bitts. https://modelshipworld.com/uploads/gallery/album_266/gallery_2684_266_123723.jpg http://modelshipbuilder.com/e107_files/public/1417092562_4_FT0_mediator-final1_.jpg It's not easy to just attribute the issue to an error in the drawings and craftsmanship of people's model. They spent a lot of time researching their models to get everything right, so I'm compelled to believe some sloops didn't have windlasses, capstans or ridding bitts. I can see that to fish that anchor shank, but I don't see how it could raise the anchor from the ocean floor. You would have to constantly bend two tackles to the cable with nippers, one after another as the anchor is raised, and remove them at some point. And if the tackle is going to the yards how would they remove the tackle from the cable? They would have to wait until they can detach it at the yard, and then let the cable drop or lower it. Wouldn't it have been easier to attach the other end of the tackle to a ring bolt on the deck?
  15. I know how they raised and lower the anchor on a man-o-war or frigate, but how did they do it on a sloop...that didn't have a capstan, windlass or riding bitts? How where they able to haul up the anchor? Did they bent two tackles on the cable and secured the other end of the tackles to a ring bolt somewhere and hauled it up that way, switching between the two tackles? If they didn't have a fish davit how did the fish the shank up? Did they run a tackle from the crossjack to the shank with the running end going to the deck? I'm also guessing when riding at anchor they secured the cable to the deck with stoppers from the deck ring bolts.

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