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Sam Ladley replied to CharlieZardoz's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Thanks. Amazing build. I love the brass look.- 401 replies
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This question doesn't belong in this forum, but it follows the string that is here: the navy frigates began getting metal rails and cages over the deck hatches. What color are they? I see the Warrior's are brass, but I doubt the rest were. The Sabine has railing all over the place. It looks light (meaning not black) in photos, but I would assume it was painted rather than kept as brightwork. Any ideas?- 401 replies
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I'm a total novice at this. Right now bashing a plastic Revell Constitution into a brandywine frigate using basswoodand scratch pieces. My advice to a newbie would be, plan to paint your first model. Being able to use putty and filler or wood patches that you can then fare off and paint saves much frustration. Once you develop some skills then you can show your work.
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Sam Ladley replied to CharlieZardoz's topic in Nautical/Naval History
i'm building the Sabine to represent the ship that ended up getting scrapped here in Rockland in 1880 because parts of the ship are all over town. The billethead is indoors at the art museum. Some of the hull timbers are in the old marine rail at the snow yard, the gavels at our courthouse are made from Sabine wood, and two of the deckhouses survive. The midship galleyhouse and a queer little wheelhouse looking thing. It seems for the duration of the war the Sabine was flushdeck with house midships and forward. While her sister Santee was armed with two decks full of broadside guns, the Sabine sported for and aft pivots. The Sabine had an interesting "bridge" over the wheel I would assume for officers: After the war she got a poopdeck. I think the funny little wheelhouse in town is one of the pieces from under the poop. I'm still wondering about the stern pivot on the poop roof. in this shot of the Santee (?) look at the pivot in the forground: is that thing sitting on a roof?- 401 replies
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Sam Ladley replied to CharlieZardoz's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Charlie and Talos, you both are providing great stuff for my Sabine build. I'm done with deck furniture- scratch built the 10 dahlgren guns- now I'm getting to the houses, and the closed bow. Charlie posted some great shots of the Sabine bow. Thanks. By the way, the Sabine's billethead is on display here in Rockland at the Farnsworth museum.- 401 replies
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Sam Ladley replied to CharlieZardoz's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Well here's a wrench in my Sabine build. I want to recreate her configuration late in her career and came across this! It seems she acquired a full quarterdeck after the civil war. Is there a pivot gun up there? She keeps her pivot guns until 1876. If I build her with this deck, did she have window ports aft? I found a new London photo of her stern that shows only one row of windows. Hmmm. Early Photos -- Portsmouth - Image 10.pdf- 401 replies
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Sam Ladley replied to CharlieZardoz's topic in Nautical/Naval History
I'm gleaning a lot of information from this photo of the uss Sabine, and some questions. The 9 inch dahlgrens - there were 10 on the main deck with 10 32 pounders and two 100 lb parrots, are on iron carriages. The bridge crosses above the storage rack on the bulwark and extends outboard slightly. It appears there is an access cutout through the bulwark at the bridge. I find no other photo evidence of a gangway entrance near the wheel. I'm starting to think there was a fold down gunport for the rear parrot in the center of the stern, maybe 15 feet wide? There is something in this shot that could be a door. I also am looking at the shell rack, the wire ladder to the ratlines from the deck, the raised platform up to the sternboat, and the field caisson in the background as interesting details.- 401 replies
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Sam Ladley replied to CharlieZardoz's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Here are a few photos that show the sabine class gundeck, including the midship house. the Santee did not seem to have the "bridge" over the wheel, but it is visible in all shots of the Sabine. The covered bow is visible on both. I'm now assuming the 100 lb parrots had no for or aft cutouts, only broadside. In the photo of the Sabine officers the stern seems solid, the pivot gun is visible in stowed position behind the mast. Also the caisson for the 20lb dahlgren is visible at he stern. It seems the two 20lb brass guns were moved around the deck on a field carriages (?!) .- 401 replies
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Sam Ladley replied to CharlieZardoz's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Thanks, Charlie! The bow ports with removable rail are a great help. I have the plan for the bow and stern parrots now. The IX dahlgrens are on iron trucks, visible in photos of Santee and Sabine. I'm assuming they are broadside guns and not pivots. Too bad, I liked the idea of using iron carronade pivots from a Constitution model. More stuff to scratch build .- 401 replies
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Sam Ladley replied to CharlieZardoz's topic in Nautical/Naval History
I'm scratch building IX in dahlgren deck guns for a USS Sabine model, and I can't find any records of what type of trucks they were on: wood or iron, pivot or broadside. Any idea on a source? The dahlgrens sat with 32 pounder broadside guns, but they were put on at the same time the Sabine got the bow and stern 100 pounder parrots, so I'm thinking they were on pivot carriages.- 401 replies
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Sam Ladley replied to CharlieZardoz's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Thanks for the info everybody. I'm still searching for info on the Sabine's stern at the spardeck. The LoC photo of "officers on the Sabine" has great info for the fly bridge and I can see the stern, but I can't tell if there was a cutout for the parrot gun. I agree with you all that the big guns sat on the deck and had enlarged gunports port and starboard. I'm approaching the spardeck on my model and I'm stuck on the transom. There are photos of the Hartford that show a raised platform, and one of the Sabine but I don't trust it. The Sabine and Santee also both had closed over bows (visible in the Santee pic posted). Was the face toward the deck closed?- 401 replies
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Sam Ladley replied to CharlieZardoz's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Library of congress has a photo, "officers on deck of USS Sabine" that shows that fly bridge. Kinda steampunk.- 401 replies
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Sam Ladley replied to CharlieZardoz's topic in Nautical/Naval History
I'm in NY lecturing this week, but when imhome I'll put together a packet of stuff on the house. It is fully intact- including some civil war graffiti! I am very interested in the Sabine because of the rotating parrot guns. It seems to me she was an old school classic sailing ship that was updated with modern munitions and represents a transition in naval warfare. 40 of her crew were sent to the monitor. I have a couple great photos showing the flybridge- had to be one of thefirst- and spar deck. I know the inside face of the quarterdechhouse , but not the stern treatment or the exact line on the spardeck where the fore and aft house/gun platforms begin. In one photo I have there is a field artillery caisson on deck, maybe for a 12 pounder? But is that for marines, or used on board? I'm guessing its for the marines, but cool for a model! How do I get 96 scale carriage wheels?- 401 replies
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Sam Ladley replied to CharlieZardoz's topic in Nautical/Naval History
I live next to the Snow shipyard in Rockland,Maine. In 1883 the Sabine was towed here and scrapped for parts. Her deckhouses were lifted off the ship and used around town. I've been told our house is probably the only intact civil war navy deckhouse in existence. Original windows that slide into the walls, canvas barriers in wall spaces. Yes very cool. If you want exact demensions and wood I can provide it. It appears to me the Santee and the Sabine were both fitted with deckhouses,which later made them excellent blockade ships and later school ships. Our deckhouse had double door entry's with a black painted vestibule - I'm guessing for stealth at night.- 401 replies
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