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Paddy got a reaction from Pete38 in H.M.S. Triton Cross Section by Paddy - Scale 1:48
Alright gents. Then we four concur.
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Paddy got a reaction from Pete38 in H.M.S. Triton Cross Section by Paddy - Scale 1:48
Joss,
Thanks for taking a look.
Installed treenails in the walnut and photographed with the yellow heart above and cherry below to have a comparison with the walnut before I apply the Minwax Ebony stain. I kind of like the colours and contrast with the walnut natural.
P.S. Those are bamboo treenails. It will be interesting to see how they take the stain.
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Paddy got a reaction from bp1535 in Jim Byrnes Model Machines
Thats great. OK, so up here we may say you've made it to first and the fun is about to begin. Interesting what you said about using large power equipment. Have had no issues with what we would call large power machines but did the worst damage with a very sharp woodcarving knife. I chuckle about it now but then the blood did fly. Didn't do any permanent damage but it sure slowed my learning process for a bit of time.
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Paddy got a reaction from bp1535 in Jim Byrnes Model Machines
Meredith, have your purchased any book on using the table saw? If not, it may get you past the shyness of using the saw. One of the first things IMO is use it only when you can give it your full attention as with any power tool, always thinking about where your hands are.
I don’t know if Woodsmith’s books are available to you down there but if so you may want to check for one of their new releases titled Ultimate Table Saw Handbook. Reasonably priced in the states. Anyway, check some of your book sellers and purchase one. Most have good information including the making of jigs to use with the table saw that you will reference many times. You’ll just scale some of these down for the 4” Byrnes.
All the best.
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Paddy got a reaction from harvey1847 in H.M.S. Triton Cross Section by Paddy - Scale 1:48
For the internal trennals I’ve decided to mark, drill and install them in each plank before the planks are installed within the hull. One of the things I’ve been concerned about is sanding the treenails once the planks have been installed and possibly damaging adjacent planks in the process. Also, for me at least, drilling the holes after the planks have been installed will be a bit cumbersome. So,those being my primary reasons, I made a template for locating the treenail pattern, punch the hole locations with my needle awl, then drilled the holes with a fence setup on the Dremel drill press. Seems to be working OK and I won’t be getting a twist in my knickers worrying about a buggered plank that is already installed. Whew…… lots of gas in the preceding. LOL.
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Paddy got a reaction from fatih79 in H.M.S. Triton Cross Section by Paddy - Scale 1:48
Today’s effort was laying out the limber strakes for receiving treenails. Went with the suggestion of one inch treenails and pulled the bamboo down to 0.020”. That’s the smallest treenails I’ve pulled to date. The Byrnes Model Machines draw plate is a jewel.
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Paddy reacted to BRiddoch in 18th Century Longboat by Bob Riddoch - FINISHED
Completed cockpit and Locker. Man, am I a slow builder.
Bob R.
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Paddy got a reaction from Pete38 in H.M.S. Triton Cross Section by Paddy - Scale 1:48
Wood milling day today and thought you may like to see what I’m thinking about. From the top of the stack down is Walnut, Cherry, Yellowheart, and Boxwood on the bottom.
I’m going to cut the walnut for the wale planks in the Top and Butt pattern and then stain in Ebony to see how they will look. Above the wales I’m going to rip some parallel planks out of Yellow Heart to see how I like it. Below the wales will still be in cherry but plan on doing the first three strakes below the wales in the Top and Butt pattern also. Going to follow Grant’s patterns.
Learned that Yellow Heart will burn like Cherry if you crowd how much you take off in a pass. So, I take approximately 1/128 of an inch in a pass and run the conveyor in fast speed setting, which seems to work well as with the cherry. Next will be to rip a test plank and apply Danish Oil to see how it takes.
In the photo its difficult to see that the Boxwood is much lighter in colour and the Yellow Heart has more yellow.
P.S. Earlier I had said Top and Bottom......... dah! Corrected to Top and Butt now. Man, some people....... LOL at myself.
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Paddy got a reaction from mtaylor in H.M.S. Triton Cross Section by Paddy - Scale 1:48
Wood milling day today and thought you may like to see what I’m thinking about. From the top of the stack down is Walnut, Cherry, Yellowheart, and Boxwood on the bottom.
I’m going to cut the walnut for the wale planks in the Top and Butt pattern and then stain in Ebony to see how they will look. Above the wales I’m going to rip some parallel planks out of Yellow Heart to see how I like it. Below the wales will still be in cherry but plan on doing the first three strakes below the wales in the Top and Butt pattern also. Going to follow Grant’s patterns.
Learned that Yellow Heart will burn like Cherry if you crowd how much you take off in a pass. So, I take approximately 1/128 of an inch in a pass and run the conveyor in fast speed setting, which seems to work well as with the cherry. Next will be to rip a test plank and apply Danish Oil to see how it takes.
In the photo its difficult to see that the Boxwood is much lighter in colour and the Yellow Heart has more yellow.
P.S. Earlier I had said Top and Bottom......... dah! Corrected to Top and Butt now. Man, some people....... LOL at myself.
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Paddy reacted to Boccherini in H.M.S. Triton Cross Section by Paddy - Scale 1:48
Paddy,
hope this helps. I forgot to mention, the wales are also top & butt. Unfortunately, the joints were too tight so the stain and sealer have made them almost invisible.
Regards,
Grant.
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Paddy got a reaction from mtaylor in H.M.S. Triton Cross Section by Paddy - Scale 1:48
Garboard glued and clamped. With my struggle I decided to settle for a 1/48 scale 12 inch wide plank.
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Paddy reacted to Pete38 in Triton by Pete38 - 1:48 - cross-section
Small update.... I continues with the deck beams and started cutting the notches....
Then is when I realized I had fixed the problem with the wrong scaled plans 1/48 vs 1/32...but I guess I need to start reading the"BIG BOLD LETTERS"
at the bottom of each page...... I was using the Gun Deck layout instead of the Lower Deck layout........This turned out okay because I am tossing all the beams and cross beams
made so far and starting over with new ones....I did not like the way they were turning out....very sloppy work and the joints not looking good
Here is an example of the offending joints
Once I get more done I will hopefully post some pictures with better results
Dain it.....Rusty and Rafine have set a very high bar for the x-section...Glad I have their build logs for reference...
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Paddy reacted to Pete38 in Triton by Pete38 - 1:48 - cross-section
Also, quickly made me some more planking clamps...the first ones were to bi using the 1/4 x 20 inch bolts...would not fit between some of the frames..
So used some 6/32 screws and made these....
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Paddy reacted to Pete38 in Triton by Pete38 - 1:48 - cross-section
Still working on the treenail for the frames,,,only 2 more to go....
When I get one frame done and the treenails trimmed I have been getting ready to raise the frames on the build board.
Pictures are a better explanation:
I glue a tempory batten arcoss the top using the framing layout pdf to get the correct distance from side to side at the top
I then mark the center of the temporary batten to match up to the center mark on my build board
Also have been marking the center of the frames at the keel also as a way to double check
Here is one temporary place to see how it is going to work out
Once all the frames are raised and attached to the keel I plan on cutting some support from cherry to go between the frames while fairing the hull. I may leave them in since will be planking over where I place them.
Everyone have a Happy Easter
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Paddy got a reaction from AntonyUK in H.M.S. Triton Cross Section by Paddy - Scale 1:48
First pre-treenailed planks laid up today.
Now I need to quit avoiding the garboard issue and get back to it!
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Paddy got a reaction from AntonyUK in H.M.S. Triton Cross Section by Paddy - Scale 1:48
Garboard glued and clamped. With my struggle I decided to settle for a 1/48 scale 12 inch wide plank.
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Paddy got a reaction from Pete38 in H.M.S. Triton Cross Section by Paddy - Scale 1:48
Garboard glued and clamped. With my struggle I decided to settle for a 1/48 scale 12 inch wide plank.
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Paddy reacted to Boccherini in Grants Triton - FINISHED
Paddy, Antony and Rusty, thanks for your comments.
The gangways are in, along with the sheer plank. I decided to try something different with the drift rail, by producing a curved section instead of straight as indicated on the plan. The curved section is made up of 4 pieces of 0.5mm stock soaked in ammonia for about 5 minutes, carefully pulled into a curve around a former (18mm diameter), then clamped in place for 24 hours until dry. The pieces were then separated, pva glue applied and reclamped for another 24 hours. The result is a very stable, strong curved piece. This was cut in half, and shaped to provide the 2 sections required. I considered cutting these in one piece, but was concerned that they would either break during fabrication, or split some time in the future. There is a slight difference in the colouration due to the ammonia, this is not an issue, as I will be staining them black.
Grant.
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Paddy got a reaction from mtaylor in H.M.S. Triton Cross Section by Paddy - Scale 1:48
First pre-treenailed planks laid up today.
Now I need to quit avoiding the garboard issue and get back to it!
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Paddy got a reaction from AntonyUK in H.M.S. Triton Cross Section by Paddy - Scale 1:48
For the internal trennals I’ve decided to mark, drill and install them in each plank before the planks are installed within the hull. One of the things I’ve been concerned about is sanding the treenails once the planks have been installed and possibly damaging adjacent planks in the process. Also, for me at least, drilling the holes after the planks have been installed will be a bit cumbersome. So,those being my primary reasons, I made a template for locating the treenail pattern, punch the hole locations with my needle awl, then drilled the holes with a fence setup on the Dremel drill press. Seems to be working OK and I won’t be getting a twist in my knickers worrying about a buggered plank that is already installed. Whew…… lots of gas in the preceding. LOL.
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Paddy got a reaction from Pete38 in H.M.S. Triton Cross Section by Paddy - Scale 1:48
For the internal trennals I’ve decided to mark, drill and install them in each plank before the planks are installed within the hull. One of the things I’ve been concerned about is sanding the treenails once the planks have been installed and possibly damaging adjacent planks in the process. Also, for me at least, drilling the holes after the planks have been installed will be a bit cumbersome. So,those being my primary reasons, I made a template for locating the treenail pattern, punch the hole locations with my needle awl, then drilled the holes with a fence setup on the Dremel drill press. Seems to be working OK and I won’t be getting a twist in my knickers worrying about a buggered plank that is already installed. Whew…… lots of gas in the preceding. LOL.
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Paddy reacted to rafine in Triton cross section 1:48 by rafine
As indicated earlier today, attached are the final photos of the cross section build.
This was a really fun build, made even more so by being part of a great group of talented builders and warm, encouraging and helpful friends. As with all builds the end is bittersweet -- nice to be done and looking forward to the next, but sad to part with a "member of the family".
This was also a learning experience for me. I learned that it was possible for me to do a framed scratch build with only hand tools, including tools like chisels, which I had never used before. On the other hand, I learned that it is highly unlikely that I will ever attempt a full framed ship -- simply too much time and effort at my age (I might consider another cross section at some point). I'm happy to be looking forward to a return to kitbashing (or kit enhancement as B.E. calls it). Essex is sitting here waiting and I'm starting to figure out how I'll "enhance" it.
Thanks again to all who have followed and supported this build.
Bob
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Paddy got a reaction from harvey1847 in H.M.S. Triton Cross Section by Paddy - Scale 1:48
Today’s effort was laying out the limber strakes for receiving treenails. Went with the suggestion of one inch treenails and pulled the bamboo down to 0.020”. That’s the smallest treenails I’ve pulled to date. The Byrnes Model Machines draw plate is a jewel.
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Paddy got a reaction from Pete38 in H.M.S. Triton Cross Section by Paddy - Scale 1:48
Today’s effort was laying out the limber strakes for receiving treenails. Went with the suggestion of one inch treenails and pulled the bamboo down to 0.020”. That’s the smallest treenails I’ve pulled to date. The Byrnes Model Machines draw plate is a jewel.
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Paddy reacted to rafine in Triton cross section 1:48 by rafine
In a burst of activity over the last few days, I completed all of the remaining work on the cross section. This included making and installing the gangway brackets, the gangways, the cap rails, the ladders, bits of deck planking for the gangway ladder landings, the skid beams and the tiny slivers of the quarter deck rail.
Because of my fear and loathing of working with metal, I made the brackets from wood, with the exception of the skid beam crutches, which are brass. The gangways were done with holly, with boxwood trim. The skid beams are boxwood, as are the ladders. The cap rails were made from laminations of ebony, sanded to create a molded outer edge.
The fussiest part of this work was mounting the brackets so that they aligned properly and were level for the installation of the gangway. It required a lot of time and even more bad language.
Later today, I will post photos of the fully completed model and my thoughts about the project.
Bob
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