FreekS

Ian,
 
The hull will be 68 cm long, and 11 cm in diameter. The original boat was only 20 meters long, and the model is 1:32.
 
At 125 tons displacement, the original was small, and the model will weight approximately 4 kg and have a dive tank, most likely a plastic bag, of about 500 ml
 
inside the model I will need to fit
- a motor with speed controller
- batteries and receiver
- pump for the dive tank (bag) with its controller
- two servo motors with pushrods controlling the planes and rudder
- quite a lot of lead to give stability and make up to 4 kg.
 
The boat will be very full!
 
 
Here's another picture of the original
 

Freek

Hallo all,
 
Thanks for the kind comments on my rubber motor Torpedo's!
 
Back to planking the hull.
 
I'm shaping each plank with a mini plane, but progress is slow. I learnt I need to ensure the plank is fully pre-bent before mounting on the hull. Six planks done and I think I have the hang of it now - though at cost of removing one after it had too much tension in bow section.
 
Certainly gives me a lot of respect from those of you creating much more complex hull shapes!
 
Freek
 

 

Hallo all,
 
Thanks for the kind comments on my rubber motor Torpedo's!
 
Back to planking the hull.
 
I'm shaping each plank with a mini plane, but progress is slow. I learnt I need to ensure the plank is fully pre-bent before mounting on the hull. Six planks done and I think I have the hang of it now - though at cost of removing one after it had too much tension in bow section.
 
Certainly gives me a lot of respect from those of you creating much more complex hull shapes!
 
Freek
 

 

Ian,
 
The hull will be 68 cm long, and 11 cm in diameter. The original boat was only 20 meters long, and the model is 1:32.
 
At 125 tons displacement, the original was small, and the model will weight approximately 4 kg and have a dive tank, most likely a plastic bag, of about 500 ml
 
inside the model I will need to fit
- a motor with speed controller
- batteries and receiver
- pump for the dive tank (bag) with its controller
- two servo motors with pushrods controlling the planes and rudder
- quite a lot of lead to give stability and make up to 4 kg.
 
The boat will be very full!
 
 
Here's another picture of the original
 

Freek

Hello all,
 
This is my first build log on the forum, and my third ship overall. The first was a Dutch Navy contemporary frigate Zr Ms de Zeven Provincien, and the second a world war 2 submarine, Hr Ms K-XVIII. Both are radio controlled and both hulls were made with the bread and butter method. That worked out very well for these larger vessels but now I intend to build a much smaller sub and will need to be much more economical with space.
 
So this will be my first hull built out of wood with planks on ribs.
 
Hr Ms O-1 was a Holland-class submarine built as a private venture by Wilton Feijenoord and sold to the Dutch Navy when it has passed some trials set as condition for her purchase. In subsequent exercises she proved very capable to defeat the then surface ships of the Dutch Navy. She patrolled the North Sea during WW1 (but thankfully the Netherlands remained neutral throughout that conflict).

The Holland boats have beautiful lines, and I was hooked when I saw a working model of an Austrian Holland class at a meeting in Lichtenstein some years back.
 
Please feel free to comment and advise as I have some experience, but little in this kind of hull building especially.
 
Groeten, Freek
 

Hallo all,
 
Thanks for the kind comments on my rubber motor Torpedo's!
 
Back to planking the hull.
 
I'm shaping each plank with a mini plane, but progress is slow. I learnt I need to ensure the plank is fully pre-bent before mounting on the hull. Six planks done and I think I have the hang of it now - though at cost of removing one after it had too much tension in bow section.
 
Certainly gives me a lot of respect from those of you creating much more complex hull shapes!
 
Freek
 

 

This is my first effort at this, so I wanted to pick something not too complicated as well as something i liked. Hopefully this will be a good way to learn some of the basics of scratch building, like cutting my own bulkheads . This Ship doesn't have a huge amount of parts, and by looking at the plans they are not too complicated.
    The hat goes off to the people who sailed these Ships. What looks to me to be a Ship designed for coastal waters, was used to travel offshore waters,  that must have been a very unpleasant experience. The design is particularly suited to shallow waters as it had a shallow draft. The Vikings could sail these Ships into water about waist deep, which made these Ships able to reach shore quickly and this must have added to the fearsome reputation they had. Being able to take their raiding party right up to shore, meant the people being raided had little time to organize defense or flee. Added flexibility in making shore also must have enabled landing near but out of sight of an intended raid site, followed by surprise raid. Either proposition is a scary one. 
   I found some pictures on line of replicas that have some interesting details not included in the plans. The deck planking is not in a straight parallel lines but seems to curve. The curved clinker planks are not one piece as in the kits. Phew, this will make building a little easier.  There's also some oar hole covers which are also not in the kits. I haven't decided which detail;s i'll add or leave out yet, but it will be nice to decide and make alterations as needed.
   The keel and bulkheads will be Tasmanian Oak, as I've had enough of plywood for a while, not that there's anything wrong with plywood. I chose Tas Oak because it's readily available at 4mm thick at the hardware shop. I also have plans for a Greek Bireme which I will also post as time allows. I apologise if some of the pics are a little small.
   Hope you are all enjoying your builds
                                                                       Matt.

The process continues ...   

Piet,
 
On my K-XIV class I saw the cable cutters only on pictures after the conversion in 1943 in US, where they received a new cable cut system. however the drawing shows the cutters, and the prewar pictures show a metal strip on which I think the cutters can be installed. could it not be the cable cutters were carried by the sub, but only installed when needed on specific missions?
 
One other point - on the KXVIII the existing models in the Navy Museum show a red underwater hull. Other modelers had painted their KXVIII grey. Being unsure, I wrote to the NIMH (Netherlands institute of Military history) they reported they though the below water ship was dark grey, not red.
My model first was red - which was great to keep it in sight underwater, but has now been painted dark grey. I don't profess to know the real colors.
 
Freek

Piet,
 
On my K-XIV class I saw the cable cutters only on pictures after the conversion in 1943 in US, where they received a new cable cut system. however the drawing shows the cutters, and the prewar pictures show a metal strip on which I think the cutters can be installed. could it not be the cable cutters were carried by the sub, but only installed when needed on specific missions?
 
One other point - on the KXVIII the existing models in the Navy Museum show a red underwater hull. Other modelers had painted their KXVIII grey. Being unsure, I wrote to the NIMH (Netherlands institute of Military history) they reported they though the below water ship was dark grey, not red.
My model first was red - which was great to keep it in sight underwater, but has now been painted dark grey. I don't profess to know the real colors.
 
Freek

INTERMEZZO
 
I still owe Piet a video of the K-XVIII shooting a torpedo from the deck tubes.
 
Here's a mini video build log of the work I did to make the torpedoes operational - using rubber motors as the propulsion method.
 

 
Hope you will enjoy the 5 minute film - the sub shot is right at the end
 
 
Freek

INTERMEZZO
 
I still owe Piet a video of the K-XVIII shooting a torpedo from the deck tubes.
 
Here's a mini video build log of the work I did to make the torpedoes operational - using rubber motors as the propulsion method.
 

 
Hope you will enjoy the 5 minute film - the sub shot is right at the end
 
 
Freek

INTERMEZZO
 
I still owe Piet a video of the K-XVIII shooting a torpedo from the deck tubes.
 
Here's a mini video build log of the work I did to make the torpedoes operational - using rubber motors as the propulsion method.
 

 
Hope you will enjoy the 5 minute film - the sub shot is right at the end
 
 
Freek

Thanks Anja!
 
On my birthday I made the bow and stern from wood left over from my frigate project. Using a band sander I got the pieces nicely in shape and even prepared the muzzle of the single 18 inch torpedo tube that the O-1 had. More time went into checking the frames and correcting small deviations. I started making the planks, from 3 x 8 x 600 mm wood. These were narrowed at both ends and after a few hrs soaking were clamped in place to bend them into the required shape.
 
I made about 5 of 30 planks so have to do a few more!
 
Note how small O-1 is vs K-XVIII !
 

 
Freek

Thanks Anja!
 
On my birthday I made the bow and stern from wood left over from my frigate project. Using a band sander I got the pieces nicely in shape and even prepared the muzzle of the single 18 inch torpedo tube that the O-1 had. More time went into checking the frames and correcting small deviations. I started making the planks, from 3 x 8 x 600 mm wood. These were narrowed at both ends and after a few hrs soaking were clamped in place to bend them into the required shape.
 
I made about 5 of 30 planks so have to do a few more!
 
Note how small O-1 is vs K-XVIII !
 

 
Freek

Thanks Anja!
 
On my birthday I made the bow and stern from wood left over from my frigate project. Using a band sander I got the pieces nicely in shape and even prepared the muzzle of the single 18 inch torpedo tube that the O-1 had. More time went into checking the frames and correcting small deviations. I started making the planks, from 3 x 8 x 600 mm wood. These were narrowed at both ends and after a few hrs soaking were clamped in place to bend them into the required shape.
 
I made about 5 of 30 planks so have to do a few more!
 
Note how small O-1 is vs K-XVIII !
 

 
Freek

Thanks all for your kind words!
 
Yesterday I managed to stiffen the pressure hull by inserting wooden blocks in-between the frames. This will help the planking of the hull - without taking away from the room inside the boat. The boat seems straight and next step is for me to verify the accuracy of the frames with a plank, and to start drawing the complex bow and stern pieces - which will be the end-points for the planking.
 

 
Also late last night we performed the age old ceremony of fixing an old coin in the keel. We selected a 1 Dutch cent coin (no longer in use since the euro) from my birth-year and with the image of Queen Juliana on it. This tradition hopefully assures 'een behouden vaart' - safe travels over the high sees.
 

Hello all,
 
This is my first build log on the forum, and my third ship overall. The first was a Dutch Navy contemporary frigate Zr Ms de Zeven Provincien, and the second a world war 2 submarine, Hr Ms K-XVIII. Both are radio controlled and both hulls were made with the bread and butter method. That worked out very well for these larger vessels but now I intend to build a much smaller sub and will need to be much more economical with space.
 
So this will be my first hull built out of wood with planks on ribs.
 
Hr Ms O-1 was a Holland-class submarine built as a private venture by Wilton Feijenoord and sold to the Dutch Navy when it has passed some trials set as condition for her purchase. In subsequent exercises she proved very capable to defeat the then surface ships of the Dutch Navy. She patrolled the North Sea during WW1 (but thankfully the Netherlands remained neutral throughout that conflict).

The Holland boats have beautiful lines, and I was hooked when I saw a working model of an Austrian Holland class at a meeting in Lichtenstein some years back.
 
Please feel free to comment and advise as I have some experience, but little in this kind of hull building especially.
 
Groeten, Freek
 

Greetings to Elia, Popeye, Banyan, Sjors, Anthony, Ian and Boris and thank you all for dropping in.  Did you get enough beer and popcorn?  Sjors was buying   
 
@ Ian, you know, our daughter is still talking about it and planning to build that railroad.  She and I designed a nice little mining and lumbering layout, with a small river loading dock! 
As far as the mine issue goes, it's really tempting but let me get my head wrapped around drawing up the plans for the con first, then we;ll see - - - - or sooner 
 
@ Boris, yes, thanks for sending these, they are great and add to my collection.  I have send you also a few pics I found in my files and the digital pics Remco send me from the Navy Archive.  You could machine them from copper or wood or sculpt them from Sculpy.  I'm waiting for the copper that Paul mailed to me and will try to use that.
 
@ Popeye, thanks for looking.  Remco also came up with an idea and we are looking into that as well.  Fortunately there are only a few letters and numbers I need    The small ones at the bow for the load levels are the ones that can be gotten from model railroad places.
 
Well, today was also a day away from the shipyard.  Went to our monthly colored pencil society chapter meeting and then mowed our backyard lawn.  
Besides the mine issue I am also in a dilemma about the bow side anchor.  Remco went to the Navy Archive and could find nothing on that anchor but according to three photos I have there seem to have been a small standard anchor.  I'll show the pics below.  I won't cut into the side of the deck structure until I have something more positive on the anchor.  I think that this will also be guesswork but as long as it looks similar to what I see on the photo then I'll be happy.
 
I'll also add a few pics of mines being loaded.  These are training mines by the way.  This too was not a simple procedure.
 
 
This shows the O 19 surfacing after a test dive in Scotland after she was overhauled in 1944.  When you enlarge the picture you should be able to see the bottom of a small anchor.
 

This is what I think this anchor could look like.
 

This is another example of the type anchor they could have used, much smaller of course.
 

 

 
Cheers, 
 
 
 

Thanks all for your kind words!
 
Yesterday I managed to stiffen the pressure hull by inserting wooden blocks in-between the frames. This will help the planking of the hull - without taking away from the room inside the boat. The boat seems straight and next step is for me to verify the accuracy of the frames with a plank, and to start drawing the complex bow and stern pieces - which will be the end-points for the planking.
 

 
Also late last night we performed the age old ceremony of fixing an old coin in the keel. We selected a 1 Dutch cent coin (no longer in use since the euro) from my birth-year and with the image of Queen Juliana on it. This tradition hopefully assures 'een behouden vaart' - safe travels over the high sees.
 

Hello all,
 
This is my first build log on the forum, and my third ship overall. The first was a Dutch Navy contemporary frigate Zr Ms de Zeven Provincien, and the second a world war 2 submarine, Hr Ms K-XVIII. Both are radio controlled and both hulls were made with the bread and butter method. That worked out very well for these larger vessels but now I intend to build a much smaller sub and will need to be much more economical with space.
 
So this will be my first hull built out of wood with planks on ribs.
 
Hr Ms O-1 was a Holland-class submarine built as a private venture by Wilton Feijenoord and sold to the Dutch Navy when it has passed some trials set as condition for her purchase. In subsequent exercises she proved very capable to defeat the then surface ships of the Dutch Navy. She patrolled the North Sea during WW1 (but thankfully the Netherlands remained neutral throughout that conflict).

The Holland boats have beautiful lines, and I was hooked when I saw a working model of an Austrian Holland class at a meeting in Lichtenstein some years back.
 
Please feel free to comment and advise as I have some experience, but little in this kind of hull building especially.
 
Groeten, Freek
 

Hello all,
 
This is my first build log on the forum, and my third ship overall. The first was a Dutch Navy contemporary frigate Zr Ms de Zeven Provincien, and the second a world war 2 submarine, Hr Ms K-XVIII. Both are radio controlled and both hulls were made with the bread and butter method. That worked out very well for these larger vessels but now I intend to build a much smaller sub and will need to be much more economical with space.
 
So this will be my first hull built out of wood with planks on ribs.
 
Hr Ms O-1 was a Holland-class submarine built as a private venture by Wilton Feijenoord and sold to the Dutch Navy when it has passed some trials set as condition for her purchase. In subsequent exercises she proved very capable to defeat the then surface ships of the Dutch Navy. She patrolled the North Sea during WW1 (but thankfully the Netherlands remained neutral throughout that conflict).

The Holland boats have beautiful lines, and I was hooked when I saw a working model of an Austrian Holland class at a meeting in Lichtenstein some years back.
 
Please feel free to comment and advise as I have some experience, but little in this kind of hull building especially.
 
Groeten, Freek
 

Hello all,
 
This is my first build log on the forum, and my third ship overall. The first was a Dutch Navy contemporary frigate Zr Ms de Zeven Provincien, and the second a world war 2 submarine, Hr Ms K-XVIII. Both are radio controlled and both hulls were made with the bread and butter method. That worked out very well for these larger vessels but now I intend to build a much smaller sub and will need to be much more economical with space.
 
So this will be my first hull built out of wood with planks on ribs.
 
Hr Ms O-1 was a Holland-class submarine built as a private venture by Wilton Feijenoord and sold to the Dutch Navy when it has passed some trials set as condition for her purchase. In subsequent exercises she proved very capable to defeat the then surface ships of the Dutch Navy. She patrolled the North Sea during WW1 (but thankfully the Netherlands remained neutral throughout that conflict).

The Holland boats have beautiful lines, and I was hooked when I saw a working model of an Austrian Holland class at a meeting in Lichtenstein some years back.
 
Please feel free to comment and advise as I have some experience, but little in this kind of hull building especially.
 
Groeten, Freek
 

Hello all,
 
This is my first build log on the forum, and my third ship overall. The first was a Dutch Navy contemporary frigate Zr Ms de Zeven Provincien, and the second a world war 2 submarine, Hr Ms K-XVIII. Both are radio controlled and both hulls were made with the bread and butter method. That worked out very well for these larger vessels but now I intend to build a much smaller sub and will need to be much more economical with space.
 
So this will be my first hull built out of wood with planks on ribs.
 
Hr Ms O-1 was a Holland-class submarine built as a private venture by Wilton Feijenoord and sold to the Dutch Navy when it has passed some trials set as condition for her purchase. In subsequent exercises she proved very capable to defeat the then surface ships of the Dutch Navy. She patrolled the North Sea during WW1 (but thankfully the Netherlands remained neutral throughout that conflict).

The Holland boats have beautiful lines, and I was hooked when I saw a working model of an Austrian Holland class at a meeting in Lichtenstein some years back.
 
Please feel free to comment and advise as I have some experience, but little in this kind of hull building especially.
 
Groeten, Freek
 

Hello all,
 
This is my first build log on the forum, and my third ship overall. The first was a Dutch Navy contemporary frigate Zr Ms de Zeven Provincien, and the second a world war 2 submarine, Hr Ms K-XVIII. Both are radio controlled and both hulls were made with the bread and butter method. That worked out very well for these larger vessels but now I intend to build a much smaller sub and will need to be much more economical with space.
 
So this will be my first hull built out of wood with planks on ribs.
 
Hr Ms O-1 was a Holland-class submarine built as a private venture by Wilton Feijenoord and sold to the Dutch Navy when it has passed some trials set as condition for her purchase. In subsequent exercises she proved very capable to defeat the then surface ships of the Dutch Navy. She patrolled the North Sea during WW1 (but thankfully the Netherlands remained neutral throughout that conflict).

The Holland boats have beautiful lines, and I was hooked when I saw a working model of an Austrian Holland class at a meeting in Lichtenstein some years back.
 
Please feel free to comment and advise as I have some experience, but little in this kind of hull building especially.
 
Groeten, Freek