Hollander-jan

A jig for the carriages
 
I have made a jig for putting togeter the carriage for the cannon. My problem was the carriage is to smal to  handel and to get a copple of carriages that are the same I had to get something that would help me to get it the same. A jig was the answer. But to glue the carriage together and getting them out of the jig was  something else. The anwer is shown the picture. The axels go in, A and the sides fit over the axels. The main problem was all  has to very tight.  Sanding the axels to the right proportions so they will get in and out is what you have to do and be sure off. The sides have to fit easeley as well. But all has to be tight. Dry fit to be sure. It all looks much work  but it gave me confedence in getting the carriages right. And all off them the same and as Tony says not look  like "Go Carts". The jig as shown in the picture is not perfect.   The first carriage worked wel but the next I made where more problematic. The fitting was not precies enough and by the lake of tollerance in the scale it was not to be adjusted. After all a nice exercice but not what I had expected. It helped a bit but after all I had to make them by hand. Wich was not aesy because of the trembling in my hands. Iff I had to make more carriages I would have made a better jig but now it was to do by the number of carriages 8 in total.   The wheels will be put on and all will be painted after that inner bulkward and the deck. Progress will be slower because of other building projects in the house (bathroom)   foto jig   .     Jan

A jig for the carriages
 
I have made a jig for putting togeter the carriage for the cannon. My problem was the carriage is to smal to  handel and to get a copple of carriages that are the same I had to get something that would help me to get it the same. A jig was the answer. But to glue the carriage together and getting them out of the jig was  something else. The anwer is shown the picture. The axels go in, A and the sides fit over the axels. The main problem was all  has to very tight.  Sanding the axels to the right proportions so they will get in and out is what you have to do and be sure off. The sides have to fit easeley as well. But all has to be tight. Dry fit to be sure. It all looks much work  but it gave me confedence in getting the carriages right. And all off them the same and as Tony says not look  like "Go Carts". The jig as shown in the picture is not perfect.   The first carriage worked wel but the next I made where more problematic. The fitting was not precies enough and by the lake of tollerance in the scale it was not to be adjusted. After all a nice exercice but not what I had expected. It helped a bit but after all I had to make them by hand. Wich was not aesy because of the trembling in my hands. Iff I had to make more carriages I would have made a better jig but now it was to do by the number of carriages 8 in total.   The wheels will be put on and all will be painted after that inner bulkward and the deck. Progress will be slower because of other building projects in the house (bathroom)   foto jig   .     Jan

A jig for the carriages
 
I have made a jig for putting togeter the carriage for the cannon. My problem was the carriage is to smal to  handel and to get a copple of carriages that are the same I had to get something that would help me to get it the same. A jig was the answer. But to glue the carriage together and getting them out of the jig was  something else. The anwer is shown the picture. The axels go in, A and the sides fit over the axels. The main problem was all  has to very tight.  Sanding the axels to the right proportions so they will get in and out is what you have to do and be sure off. The sides have to fit easeley as well. But all has to be tight. Dry fit to be sure. It all looks much work  but it gave me confedence in getting the carriages right. And all off them the same and as Tony says not look  like "Go Carts". The jig as shown in the picture is not perfect.   The first carriage worked wel but the next I made where more problematic. The fitting was not precies enough and by the lake of tollerance in the scale it was not to be adjusted. After all a nice exercice but not what I had expected. It helped a bit but after all I had to make them by hand. Wich was not aesy because of the trembling in my hands. Iff I had to make more carriages I would have made a better jig but now it was to do by the number of carriages 8 in total.   The wheels will be put on and all will be painted after that inner bulkward and the deck. Progress will be slower because of other building projects in the house (bathroom)   foto jig   .     Jan

The planking of the out site hul is finisht. Here are some pictures of the boat as he is now.
 

 

 

 

 
Jan

The planking of the out site hul is finisht. Here are some pictures of the boat as he is now.
 

 

 

 

 
Jan

The planking of the out site hul is finisht. Here are some pictures of the boat as he is now.
 

 

 

 

 
Jan

The planking of the out site hul is finisht. Here are some pictures of the boat as he is now.
 

 

 

 

 
Jan

Thanks for this very well done answer Kester. I have thougt about planking around the ports in some way and will do this in the futher.
For now I am busy and very careful opening the ports and is satisfactory. 
 
The trouble is that there is not enougf patients in me but it is comming around.
 
About the ports and the places this is due to an erlier mistake. I have checked but all wil go as far as deck is concerned.
 
I see this as a learning ship and stil having fun to work on it.
 
Jan 

Hello
 
I have come a long way with the clinker planking on one side of the hull. But I had some problems.
Because the first planking was not that perfect, Bumps and dents. The second planking was, when I went higer 
on the hull comming further and further out. In my opinion there was a way to solve this and that was to 
construct the main whale and work may way op to there. The whale was my reference in the planking.
 
The thougt was to make a whale - stop the walnut planking there - place the whale and go on planking the last 
planks. The extra was that the last planks would go straight on and shoud solve my problem, how to end the 
clinker planking in a nice looking way, so I did.
 
I constructed a whale out of a couple of first planking planks bend it in shape sanded it and this is 
the result. 

 

 
There is one major thing can I repeat it at the other side so there will be a good look and not musch 
difference? None I hope! The whale will not be to difficult to remake but the clinker planking has to 
be the same at least.
 
This is the result of all that planking. Whale in place and one plank glued.
 
jan

More of the same planking I mean. Clinker planking is more difficult than I thought but it is going the way I want, although it is a hell of a job.  
 
I am doing the best I can and even more some time I surprise my self and learning in the process.
 
I have to slow down myself before I make mistakes that will cost me. On the other hand I can not wait to work on the deck or other things, but for now I will slow down a bit before it is to late. I think this slowing down is one off the things I learn from this hobby.  
 
Have solved the bulkwark problem by closing two gunports and opening two other ones. in time I will see if that is enough to overcome my mistake.
Enjoying this whole thing of building a boat very much.
 
Jan 

It is candy for the eye  very well done sjors impressive
 
jan 

Planking 
 
I almost finished my planking on the Sherbourne. Just one ore two planks and the whale on the starboard side. 
 
What is there to say about this project. 
 
To be honest it was above my capabilities. And I mean by that woodworking and caracter. To eager to prove 
I was able do do it. But had not enough patince to carry the project to a better standard and most of all 
did not do the first planking to well. Because of the first planking being not to well I had to do this 
clinker planking to hide all the faults I made.
 
What to say about the end product is is what it is. I have learned a lot. About model ship building and about 
how I can do it better. First be more patient in working out, it will come in the end. Second technique. 
 
I am satisfied with the result it looks ok with all the faults and mishapes it is what i could do at 
the moment. And there are musch better plankings than this one.
 
It is my ship and thats what it is with all his or her inperfection. And most of all one side is musch 
better than the other side.
 
I will glue in little splinters here and there and go on with the build and leave the hull and planking 
for what is was. A proces with a verry steep learning curve and fun to do.
 
Her is a picture of where I am now.
 
Jan
 
 

 
 

 
 
I little remark the wood provided by the kit is ok it is very brittle and some of the planks for the second planking split easy.
 
All in all clinker planking can be done with the wood of the kit.
 
 
 
 
 

Hello
 
I have come a long way with the clinker planking on one side of the hull. But I had some problems.
Because the first planking was not that perfect, Bumps and dents. The second planking was, when I went higer 
on the hull comming further and further out. In my opinion there was a way to solve this and that was to 
construct the main whale and work may way op to there. The whale was my reference in the planking.
 
The thougt was to make a whale - stop the walnut planking there - place the whale and go on planking the last 
planks. The extra was that the last planks would go straight on and shoud solve my problem, how to end the 
clinker planking in a nice looking way, so I did.
 
I constructed a whale out of a couple of first planking planks bend it in shape sanded it and this is 
the result. 

 

 
There is one major thing can I repeat it at the other side so there will be a good look and not musch 
difference? None I hope! The whale will not be to difficult to remake but the clinker planking has to 
be the same at least.
 
This is the result of all that planking. Whale in place and one plank glued.
 
jan

Hello
 
I have come a long way with the clinker planking on one side of the hull. But I had some problems.
Because the first planking was not that perfect, Bumps and dents. The second planking was, when I went higer 
on the hull comming further and further out. In my opinion there was a way to solve this and that was to 
construct the main whale and work may way op to there. The whale was my reference in the planking.
 
The thougt was to make a whale - stop the walnut planking there - place the whale and go on planking the last 
planks. The extra was that the last planks would go straight on and shoud solve my problem, how to end the 
clinker planking in a nice looking way, so I did.
 
I constructed a whale out of a couple of first planking planks bend it in shape sanded it and this is 
the result. 

 

 
There is one major thing can I repeat it at the other side so there will be a good look and not musch 
difference? None I hope! The whale will not be to difficult to remake but the clinker planking has to 
be the same at least.
 
This is the result of all that planking. Whale in place and one plank glued.
 
jan

Thank you all for giving me this good advise and for looking at the log and the pictures.
 
@Tony
I have to be very self critic on my work, But I thank you for what you say I keep it in mind.
 
@Kester
Thank you for the words about my clinker planking I did what I was capable of but a bit more patient will be the word from now on.
 
@Jay
I have learned again about myself and that is a good thing. But I have also learne how much fun it is to build a small boat like this.
 
 progress will be slow I have a bathroom to renovate. There will be time for the boat. There will be study for the deck and how to do the caulking. and so on and son.
 
As soon as there are things to report or questions to ask you will hear from me.
 
By for now Jan

Thank you all for giving me this good advise and for looking at the log and the pictures.
 
@Tony
I have to be very self critic on my work, But I thank you for what you say I keep it in mind.
 
@Kester
Thank you for the words about my clinker planking I did what I was capable of but a bit more patient will be the word from now on.
 
@Jay
I have learned again about myself and that is a good thing. But I have also learne how much fun it is to build a small boat like this.
 
 progress will be slow I have a bathroom to renovate. There will be time for the boat. There will be study for the deck and how to do the caulking. and so on and son.
 
As soon as there are things to report or questions to ask you will hear from me.
 
By for now Jan

Planking 
 
I almost finished my planking on the Sherbourne. Just one ore two planks and the whale on the starboard side. 
 
What is there to say about this project. 
 
To be honest it was above my capabilities. And I mean by that woodworking and caracter. To eager to prove 
I was able do do it. But had not enough patince to carry the project to a better standard and most of all 
did not do the first planking to well. Because of the first planking being not to well I had to do this 
clinker planking to hide all the faults I made.
 
What to say about the end product is is what it is. I have learned a lot. About model ship building and about 
how I can do it better. First be more patient in working out, it will come in the end. Second technique. 
 
I am satisfied with the result it looks ok with all the faults and mishapes it is what i could do at 
the moment. And there are musch better plankings than this one.
 
It is my ship and thats what it is with all his or her inperfection. And most of all one side is musch 
better than the other side.
 
I will glue in little splinters here and there and go on with the build and leave the hull and planking 
for what is was. A proces with a verry steep learning curve and fun to do.
 
Her is a picture of where I am now.
 
Jan
 
 

 
 

 
 
I little remark the wood provided by the kit is ok it is very brittle and some of the planks for the second planking split easy.
 
All in all clinker planking can be done with the wood of the kit.
 
 
 
 
 

More of the same planking I mean. Clinker planking is more difficult than I thought but it is going the way I want, although it is a hell of a job.  
 
I am doing the best I can and even more some time I surprise my self and learning in the process.
 
I have to slow down myself before I make mistakes that will cost me. On the other hand I can not wait to work on the deck or other things, but for now I will slow down a bit before it is to late. I think this slowing down is one off the things I learn from this hobby.  
 
Have solved the bulkwark problem by closing two gunports and opening two other ones. in time I will see if that is enough to overcome my mistake.
Enjoying this whole thing of building a boat very much.
 
Jan 

Planking 
 
I almost finished my planking on the Sherbourne. Just one ore two planks and the whale on the starboard side. 
 
What is there to say about this project. 
 
To be honest it was above my capabilities. And I mean by that woodworking and caracter. To eager to prove 
I was able do do it. But had not enough patince to carry the project to a better standard and most of all 
did not do the first planking to well. Because of the first planking being not to well I had to do this 
clinker planking to hide all the faults I made.
 
What to say about the end product is is what it is. I have learned a lot. About model ship building and about 
how I can do it better. First be more patient in working out, it will come in the end. Second technique. 
 
I am satisfied with the result it looks ok with all the faults and mishapes it is what i could do at 
the moment. And there are musch better plankings than this one.
 
It is my ship and thats what it is with all his or her inperfection. And most of all one side is musch 
better than the other side.
 
I will glue in little splinters here and there and go on with the build and leave the hull and planking 
for what is was. A proces with a verry steep learning curve and fun to do.
 
Her is a picture of where I am now.
 
Jan
 
 

 
 

 
 
I little remark the wood provided by the kit is ok it is very brittle and some of the planks for the second planking split easy.
 
All in all clinker planking can be done with the wood of the kit.
 
 
 
 
 

Hello
 
I have come a long way with the clinker planking on one side of the hull. But I had some problems.
Because the first planking was not that perfect, Bumps and dents. The second planking was, when I went higer 
on the hull comming further and further out. In my opinion there was a way to solve this and that was to 
construct the main whale and work may way op to there. The whale was my reference in the planking.
 
The thougt was to make a whale - stop the walnut planking there - place the whale and go on planking the last 
planks. The extra was that the last planks would go straight on and shoud solve my problem, how to end the 
clinker planking in a nice looking way, so I did.
 
I constructed a whale out of a couple of first planking planks bend it in shape sanded it and this is 
the result. 

 

 
There is one major thing can I repeat it at the other side so there will be a good look and not musch 
difference? None I hope! The whale will not be to difficult to remake but the clinker planking has to 
be the same at least.
 
This is the result of all that planking. Whale in place and one plank glued.
 
jan

Hallo Sjors,
 
I see that the build has  begone. I will to  follow your build, As we all do, I hope to see some great stuff an hope you will have a great build for this ship.
 
All the best. Have a lot off fun and take it easy.
 
success,  Jan 

Shamrock, it's only as demanding as you make it. If you've already done the Amati Shamrock (did you choose the model because of your name or are you just using your model's name for yourself?), then clearly you're not worried about working with wood and I should imagine you found various 'difficulties' of your own to get over during that build.
 
The Sherbourne is most definitely suitable for a beginner. After all, I'm a beginner, and have enjoyed every moment. The only new aspect that the Sherbourne or the Chatham might offer over the Shamrock is the planking on the hull (ok, maybe the rigging will be more complicated and there's a few guns to work on), but there are plenty of tutorials on this forum (which I myself had to follow) to help you along. When I first looked at the tutorials there were several aspects that had me totally mystified (especially the instructions on how to cut a garboard plank). But I soon found out that the best way of learning was just starting and trying it out. Of course mistakes are made, but then it's easy enough to undo them and start again. An advantage of double planking is that it really doesn't matter how badly you do the first planking since it's never going to be seen, and it gives you plenty of practice for the outer layer.
 
I am a complete beginner at working with wood and it is about 45 years since I fiddled around with plastic models (which at that time meant sticking one pre-formed part to another and following the instructions -- the only slight skill I had at that time was painting them). I thought, however, that if others could do these wonderful things with wood, and if others had similarly had to start somewhere, then it would be quite reasonable for me to try my hand.
 
At the time I started, there were a lot of Sherbourne builds and so it was easy to see the various stages of assembly and there was plenty of help and encouragement (a tradition that is strongly maintained on this forum) -- it still surprises me how the highly experienced modelers on the forum spend a lot of time with newcomers such as myself when they must have seen and been through the same stages many times over.
 
The only real 'difficulty' that most people found with the Sherbourne was fitting the transom at the stern, and each individual chose their own way of doing it. Otherwise you can make the kit as easily as you please just using the parts supplied.
 
So it all depends on what you'd like to do. My own personal preference is to see every single part as a new model in itself with its own set of skills which I know I have to learn if I want to accomplish something better in the future. I have enjoyed exploring the variety of ways in which people have approached the individual parts. So I thought "hmm, nibbed planking, don't understand that, so I'd better see if I can learn how to do it". Then the same thing happened with the pumps, the windlass, and the other deck fittings. Then I saw someone making a ship's boat, and I thought I'd try that out as well. In other words, I liked what others were doing, and simply tried my hand at it. Maybe I am not achieving the wonderful finish that others have achieved, but it's been tremendous fun learning that I can actually do something like that.
 
In the last month or so I decided I was very unsatisfied both with the gratings and with the shot racks that I made, so I have torn off the shot racks and made them all over again, and I have remade the gratings after learning how to use my saw to do so. All that will be forthcoming in some future part of this log. I was also very pleased at finding a way to convert my Proxxon drill stand into a mill. You should be getting the idea that no matter what your starting point there's a lot that's very achievable even if you can't see right now quite how to do it. A lot of the fun is puzzling it out for the particular tools and materials that you have to hand.
 
When I go over the ways in which I have approached each step, I am highly conscious that others may have looked at the step in the same way and wondered how to go about it. So I just spend time explaining what I have done in case it helps other novices think through how they might approach it for themselves. The more experienced quite often will have done it better, but everyone understands that just doing it helps you develop your own sense of what you want to get out of the hobby.
 
Another word of caution: don't be carried away with the need to make a build as accurate historically as possible. There are only degrees of similarity. For one thing, the sizes are completely different. If you just stick to the kit parts you'll still have a very pleasing model. You just have to decide what is 'pleasing' for yourself.
 
The Chatham is a lovely model, and will have exactly the same skills required as for the Sherbourne. My estimate is that you will find it very pleasing but I can't predict what aspects you will find challenging. So why not post some pictures of your model Shamrock (especially if you have any photos of the building process) and start your log of the Chatham once it arrives.
 
I and many others will look forward to seeing your progress. The thing is not to think from the start that it is going to be difficult. It may be difficult in the sense that at first you may feel it hard to achieve a particular accuracy, but you'll find that bit by bit your skills develop.
 
I hope that offers some encouragement. You'll probably also find that once started not only will you not have a nervous breakdown, but that building these models is a great way to relax and to avoid one.
 
Keep us posted on how you get on!
 
Tony

Little update.
 
The bulkheads are in place and glued.
The lower gun deck is also in place.
Glued the bow cheeks and the support at the stern
Next thing to do are the support for the false canons and painting......
A part of the lower gun deck will be planked .
Only what you can see from the upper deck, the rest will be painted black.
And of course ,what is a build with our breaking something......
I have break two tops of two frames 
Glued them again and I have to see how i can place a support on it.
 

More of the same planking I mean. Clinker planking is more difficult than I thought but it is going the way I want, although it is a hell of a job.  
 
I am doing the best I can and even more some time I surprise my self and learning in the process.
 
I have to slow down myself before I make mistakes that will cost me. On the other hand I can not wait to work on the deck or other things, but for now I will slow down a bit before it is to late. I think this slowing down is one off the things I learn from this hobby.  
 
Have solved the bulkwark problem by closing two gunports and opening two other ones. in time I will see if that is enough to overcome my mistake.
Enjoying this whole thing of building a boat very much.
 
Jan 

More of the same planking I mean. Clinker planking is more difficult than I thought but it is going the way I want, although it is a hell of a job.  
 
I am doing the best I can and even more some time I surprise my self and learning in the process.
 
I have to slow down myself before I make mistakes that will cost me. On the other hand I can not wait to work on the deck or other things, but for now I will slow down a bit before it is to late. I think this slowing down is one off the things I learn from this hobby.  
 
Have solved the bulkwark problem by closing two gunports and opening two other ones. in time I will see if that is enough to overcome my mistake.
Enjoying this whole thing of building a boat very much.
 
Jan