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Thank you John and keith it is unfortunate the museum store in Boothbay had to close. I had three dioramas and a schooner there and enjoyed helping out with minor repairs to others from time to time. Now those models have all come home. The Pinky Superb built by Hodgdon in 1816, the Schooner Bowdoin built here 1921 and replanked in 2016 at Bristol Marine and Ernestina Morrissey Bob Bartlett's schooner completely rebuilt here in 2020 bracket 200 active years of Boothbay shipbuilding. the latter two also highlight my fascination with the arctic. Unfortunately continuing to tell the local story is a challenge. Your builds including your Red jacket are part of our Maine story too . Unfortunately both the pinky and Bowdoin are no relegated to my garage. cheers- 53 replies
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Guy I am not an expert but I agree. I started to make them for Terror with a bend and thought to myself....this makes no sense. I then checked out the Mathew Betts drawings and went with straight. Yes they point in a little bit, but a smaller boat suspended worked out OK. Your doing a great job. I applaud you for persevering with the aluminum bow plates. I opted for the copper tape. cheers jon
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16. I wanted to record the process to build up the diorama, so it can be relocated for showing and it needs to hold the backdrop. As I have said before I am finding my way. 1-2 these images show the diorama upside down for fixing the base. I use scrap pine from storage…nothing is fancy here. The board on the back side is slotted to receive the 1/8 inch back drop poster. 3-4 with exposed surfaces all painted black we are turned right side up. 5-6. the poster is currently clipped to a thin MDF sheet. Once all is good, I will glue it down. 7-11 these shots show 5 views of Terror set at the time. Note the many lines and clips getting ready to add the small boats. Next up is to complete the boats and crew and figure out what they are doing. I have about half of the coils in place, so that continues as well. Finally, I need to enter a new world and decide….do I leave the ice as it is or do I try to paint it to fit in more closely with the backdrop. I will experiment first and then decide…. sometimes doing less is better than making a mess. all for now- 53 replies
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Keith "Jolly and Bob. thanks for the likes and encouragement Keith thanks for your consistent wise advice. I believe your solution is most accurate as well as your model is based on sailing when I would think these temporary davits would have been stored. For me however I believe no more than days before my diorama scene , these davits, on at least one side, would have been used to clear the deck.....so ...most images show a 26 foot +/_ 8 to [9 metre] Pinnace riding in the center. I plan to use the large kit small boat hull for this one. the question is....in my scene anyway.... how did they get that boat off the deck and launched. It is too heavy to heave. The trysail gaff probably was re-rigged with perhaps a 5 part line to allow men to raise one end and then swing it to the rail. then what? Perhaps at least for us amateurs, anything would be conjecture. My thought is they would transfer the first end, likely the stern, to the swingable davit. Thus the iron davit makes sense. Once they had it secure on the aft davit, the second end....likely the bow ...would be lifted using the trysail gaff, and the boat moved...., no easy task...to where the second end is over the rail in position for the forward davit lines to take the load. now. this vessel is bigger than the others that all have 5 part lines, yet manpower would have been he same. I suspect a triple block from the head of the davit would have been used. It would have made hoisting a bit more reasonable and the there is no way for a sheave in the metal pipe [ I believe]. There was nothing around except manpower to manage this heavy load. That being said, how big would the iron [ steel. } pipe need to be. I suggest to avoid bending easily at least 100 mm......moving to scale one divided by 75 to get say 1.3 ish mm. what I have was a 1mm from the kit supply...it just does not look strong enough. ter-15 -11. here is a photo showing....1mm as before that I feel is too small, 1.5 mm bent with copper wire soldered to make loop for block and a piece of 2.5 mm to compare. I set the kit boat and one scale figure to help visualize. the 2.5mm [ 3/32 tube for us]. would be just under 8 inches….I think too big. The center 1.5mm pipe would be just over 4 inches [100mm] and I think that makes sense. I will go with that one. I agree with you Keith about not being set while sailing and will only have them set on one side and maybe put a second set resting in the deck storage for the other side. now to decide which side..😄 cheers- 53 replies
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15 continued rigging and work on diorama This is a brief update of combined effort on both the rigging and the diorama. 1 this view shows the final underwater ice being added. 2. shows me playing with how best to use the small boats. Should they be in the water, perhaps on the ice as they began to transfer supplies to the ice in case the ship sank. I also started rigging the davits. 3-4 shows they addition of spackle [ joint compound] to smooth the outside of the Styrofoam that will be repainted as water below and ice above. The top surface is very rough at this stage. 5 here we can see the ice barrel has been added, the platform for navigating or the “ice plank” and rack for aft boats. I will likely show the two kit whale boats resting on this rack. 6 shows the beginning of work on the crew. I am using white glue and paper towel scraps to build up outer coats. I need both sitting and standing figured as some in the boats would be sitting. There were over 60 crew members and most of them would have been active on this day of mast lowering and preparing for the winter camp. We’ll see where that leads. I clearly have enough to do the whole crew. I will not try to show those Navy hats for the officers that were shown in the recent TV series, I cannot believe they would have worn them when the temperature went down. Perhaps common sense and warm hats is an error common to us yanks. 7-9. these views show he anchors in place along with just about every line. The lower coarser sheets were tricky. The middle view shows my first attempt at the iron [ steel?] davits for the middle boats. I am a bit concerned as this location would have included the largest pinnace. I intend to have it off the vessel as the whole deck will be needed for the mast lowering exercise. However, what I have made does not look strong enough. I assume the trysail gaff would have taken half the load at a time to move the boat from center to over the side, transferring to the davits. More thought is needed here 10 shows the ice plank and celebrated that the davit blocks for all the boats are in place. I have yet to make them off as I need to decide how each will be displayed…. Up or down Next up is to complete the diorama and prepare it to receive the backdrop. The poster came the other day and is currently flattening before trying to install. Cheers- 53 replies
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14 the masts are to be coming down….we hope. This post is just to explain what I am showing. I started off by completing all the rigging here for the topgallant mast and then taking it away as the mast comes down. The mast must fit through the topmast cap, so a little more sanding on the small built-up transition between top gallant and royal mast was needed. Then, the mast top has a ring to receive shackle equivalents for the top head stay and top shrouds. It had to be “flattened” a bit to fit through the mast cap hole. I had some fun making the following three sketches to show my logic as to how either the main or the fore topgallant masts come down. The following steps are my approach to how this mast was dropped whole at sea. View 1 • Rig a new line off the topmast cap through the fid to a block on the starboard side. [ a bigger mast like the topmast would need a block on both sides] This line drops the mast as long as part of it is guided by the upper mast cap. • The topgallant head stay and shrouds have loops that come off just as the top of the mast passes through the mast cap. These are tied off then lowered one at a time using the jib halyard or after the mast is down, the line that is currently dropping the mast • [ My idea to avoid rigging a second very long line] The one side of the royal shroud is pulled up and lashed to the ring at the top of the mast just after it go through the mast cap, but before it drops below the topmast top. Assume a similar snatch block on the side of the upper cap. This line will take the load and the “ new line “through the fid below will be released. View 2. • Two tag lines will be attached to the bottom of the mast as it passes the lower mast top. The fid hole line goes forward to a snatch block on either rail chosen by crew, just aft of the foremast shrouds to pull the bottom of the mast forward. The second tag line replaces the halyard currently going through the mast sheave, once the top of the mast is secured by the shroud. This line falls to the deck for the crew to manage the mast bottom. • Once the new line is free from the mast bottom sheave, it is available for lowering the head stays and shrouds. View 3 • The trysail gaff will be engaged to rerig and move the spar into its storage position. It is assumed these two masts will be suspended on either side to the fore and main masts to allow a tent structure over the main deck to last through the winter. • The main topgallant mast is almost perfectly located when it reached the deck. The fore topgallant mast must be rigged and hauled aft more than its full length for storage. On the model, • the main topgallant mast has just fallen below the mast cap. A tag line will be used to position the mast bottom for the exchange of lines as described above. • The fore top gallant mast is nearly down and the first of the shrouds is being lowered. On this mast there are two Jib halyard that could be used for part of the effort I assumed though one line at a time I have engaged one that is lowering the topgallant forestay. • I show two of the shrouds already coiled and ready to go into storage. Considering their large size, I image they might have stayed on deck. • I am not sure they will start both masts at the same time. I chose to show that process considering the huge size of the crew…64 men. The more critical fore mast is nearly down, po perhaps the topmast crew would shift to the main and the deck crew would complete the first mast. 4,5,6. The three Photos show the various connections for the fore topgallant mast as it is displayed. just a note; in view 2 the lower tag line was passed thru the fid hole. the upper hole is now empty that had the "new line from the ast cap to lower the mast for the first level. that tag line will be taken up by crew members when I add them later. the lighter weight royals shroud d coiled on deck and wrapped on the windless is feeing up and lowering the topgallant mast. If I am totally wrong this would be spare line. just a very long one.😄 so I am not an expert but I really enjoy trying to figure things like this process out. I am back working on the rigging adding line after line after line....... cheers- 53 replies
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13,3 to finish up with the " starting of the diorama" here are some images taken before we run south for a week on a beach. Hopefully all our remaining snow will be gone when we return. 15-17 three views from above. Still pecking away at the rigging and deck work 18-21 four views showing below and above the ice. There is a lot of work to do to make this work 22 here is the preferred back drop. A sunrise photo I took at Beechey island with and internet cropped image of arctic ice. I hope I can make this one work as the day time image is not as nice. When I get back I will order this poster and mount it behind. My fear is the coloring, as nice as it is, will not blend nicely into the acrylic and ice.....we'll have to wait and see.. cheers- 53 replies
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13.2 starting the diorama Since the preview earlier this month I have been experimenting and buying a few things that I may or may not need. I am about to disappear for a mid-winter break, so I need to pull together the progress with an update. The next series of photos show my trial and error and adjusting as I work into this area of trying to make ice look real.. I have taken a photo after each step. Here we go 05 -06 set the base elements and glued them to the base. Then I painted them all blue and set up the front elements in massing only. In the second view I use the wire cutter to shape them. This is first pass. There are competing elements. On the one hand we must support the water [ acrylic sheet] and the other we want lots of visibility below the water. 07 here I added intermediate supports and painted the back which is hopefully intended to be infinite water. I am not happy as the supports on the back are too visible, and one sees shadows. 08-09 I set the water on to help plan the other ice. I cut out sheets and primed with Gesso ……. Note I am using the model cut out to extend a lead forward. I then set the cut-out ice on top. currently, I need to plan the underwater ice as well. the protective film is still on it. Painting 10-11-12. the sharp corners of the blocks on the back wall of water were not convincing, so I took card stock paper and using mod podge glued it in place then painted it blue to hopefully look more like infinite water. The thin long loose piece on top is painted out to be under water ice. In the third image it and another piece to the left side are pinned in place. Once I am happy with underwater painting I will glue and pin them in place. 13-14. Here I laid out the acrylic. I am using scrap from the mock up piece so there is an even layer across the whole build. The last view I have the ice in its current preliminary set up. The is much more to do with that stuff but here is a chance for a breather. 15. here are the three products I am using so far • Styrogoo to glue the Styrofoam to itself and the base and the acrylic • Gesso to prime everything except the paper and pvc baseboard • Mod podge is the glue going forward as I add stuff to improve the ice. Fill slots in the water blocking etc.. All for now I will add the vessel and look around tomorrow.- 53 replies
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Bob I am always happy to find another build that relates and adds background to my attempts. I had read about Astrolabe in passing while reading the book…The Explorations to the Antarctic Peninsula by Hugh Allan. I was reading it in general interest but more to find who was there around the same time as HMS Terror and Erebus. In reading other books it was understood that the British Ross expedition was expedited because of the your new fried Capt Dumont, the French, Americans and others all headed to and claiming land in the Orkney and other islands in the 1830 era. The corvette Astrolabe nee Coquille, along with her consort Zelee was apparently stuck in the ice for a week and there are images I am sure you have seen. Anyway, as the story goes their purpose was more focused on the overall French interest in the South Pacific and they were apparently quite successful. Also, just to sail into pack ice and escape is no little thing. Any wooden vessel going around the world, she went twice, says alot about her. I look forward to dropping in from time to time. I am also sorry there is no short cut around all those ratline hitches. I decided to think about it as knitting a sweater. Something I could not do very well, I am sure. My solution is I never did too many in a sitting. Cheers
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Kieth and Bob, thank you both for your encouragement. I will soon be off in a new world of making ice. Waiting on glue for styrofoam at the moment. Bob. welcome and thanks for showing me another wonderful and relevant build to follow. Astrolabe seems amazing and I will flip over there with more comments about the book. the Exploration of the Antarctic peninsula by Hugh Allan. It is an fast read through some 30 expeditions between 1819 and 1937. Your captain was number 15 and James Ross leading Erebus and Terror was number 18. if you are like me and read too much, it is a great addition. Leave it to say that Astrolabe's cruise to the Antarctic was a key element to expedite getting both Erebus and Terror set up and ready to sail in the late 1930"s. cheers- 53 replies
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13.1 sneak preview step 1 diorama these four views show Terror sitting in the diorama just to show off major massing..... step i I sliced and cut styrofoam to make up the general massing before using the cutter wand and wire to cut ice. the next step will be to glue it together without water [ acrylic ]and then carve the edges of the ices. after that step will be all new for me. I also have pieces a little thicker that the above water ice to glued and carved to the underside. anyway it is friday and a good reason to celebrate on the model itself rigging continues as well. cheers- 53 replies
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Thank you Keith for the insight and gentle push. I was outside earlier this morning. It is 15 F here with winds steadily gusting past 20mph. The snow is too hard to shovel. After 15 minute the dog looked at me and sort of said what are we doing out here. We could be in the shop!😃 After digesting your comment the light bulb went off. If it were July - August and they we sailing for two days across the Davis Strait, sure push up that extra sail off that extra boom. But by fall it was easily 15deg F and wind often much more than 20 mph, and they would not have that extra jib boom rigged. You and the local weather convinced me....the flying jib boom shall ride on deck in storage. 11-12 for the record here are the last two photos of her rigged [ minus the sail of course} cheers and thanks as always for for your comments...- 53 replies
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12 first part of rigging I start by admitting I am over my pay grade, especially when showing how things were done 180 years ago. So, for experts out there I am not challenging anything, just sharing my applied recreational sailor’s logic to show the vessel still in the icy water, and the crew removing three spars. In general, I tried to dual task lines and not just add extra lines for everything. I break this sequence up by mast. First however there are a few things I decided as to what the completed vessel would have had going north that affect all three masts. example: I added the fore and main trysails. I choose to include them for three reasons: · First, I defer to the decision of Mathew Betts who included them on his drawings that I understand reflects what he felt represent as the 1845 design. · Second is a practical sense. I suspect the main purpose of these two gaffs was for constant movement of objects on deck. By example, how without them would one load the sledge and then the stacked boats aft of the foremast or again boats on the high racks behind the main mast? · Finally, the need for fore and aft sails to navigate through narrow ice leads. Having been a recreational sailor, I have respect for these guys threading a needle through ice. Also, for ferocious wind changes, these sails were easy and fast to set or close. Useful as a storm trysail as well. As Capt MacMillan of the schooner Bowdoin said in 1920 while explaining why he felt a schooner was the best rig for the arctic. “…You could rig it and change it easily and quickly. In the arctic there is either too much or too little wind….”. Think about trying to maintain steerage in frequent gales. I can’t image taking the trysails away after they were there for over 4 years of arctic/ Antarctic sailing. Yes, there was a new steam engine. Many in the Navy thought they were great and the future etc. I have read not surprisingly that many others as early as 1845 were unlikely convinced. Especially as they only had a small supply of coal. Not enough coal to allow sustained operation…I believe that is from Palin’s book. As to the bow sprits, I am not so sure I am making the right decision here and I may change my mind. Unfortunately, Betts did not consider doing a sail plan. His two drawings for the spar plan and standing rigging leave a lot of questions. So, as I have recorded, I changed from the kit design of one long sprit and one jib boom. I shortened both the sprit and the jib boom and added a long flying jib boom. I have no reason other than Betts drawings. However, without a sail plan I see no evidence of a third [ flying jib] foresail. The only reason for the flying jib boom seems to support the royal mast even though the artwork shows no such sail was set. Way over my paygrade to say or think any more for now unless someone produces a sail plan. To work 1-2. in these 2 photos we see the two trysails furled to the gaff and both a downhaul [vang] and the single blocked line for handling movement on deck. I suggest they may have added a block with multi part lines for easier leverage in handling items on deck. I may add one myself if there is room to do so after setting up for lowering masts. The three spars to be moved into storage, weigh between 350 and 500 pounds and tackle would have been necessary. Starting the Mizzen Mast: · I followed the work of earlier builders, bloggers and used cross trees and no upper royal mast. I read they were using all those British Admiralty standards and just followed as best as I could. The known expectation of frequent gale force winds makes those high sails less useful and dangerous. Also, the artwork showing them sailing away from Disko Island had no royals on any mast, so that layout makes sense. · I am not sure what one calls or the function of the flat vertical planks on either side of the banded lower masts. Please note they are not on the Betts mizzen. · Then after much thought, [and I may be dead wrong here] I chose to remove the composite rings and side planks. The mizzen was small enough [ similar to the big schooners we built here in Maine up to through 1930’s.} they needed to have hoops for the sail, so they would most likely have been a solid piece limited in diameter accordingly. Otherwise, there would have been a Spencer mast [ identical to the trysail masts] like larger barks and full ships. I unfortunately did not think this through early enough to include rings and chose not to disassemble the mizzen to add them. I needed to scrape and sand up the mizzen after removing the “side boards” and chose to leave it rough. Later, after say 1860 all the USA big schooner masts were dark brown due to aged oil or grease etc. added to the masts for smooth movement of the hoops. This mizzen could possibly not have been painted white. I stop here in deference to my lack of British knowledge. I left it roughed up and did not repaint it. · 3-4 here we see my first go I furled the spanker on the boom. This too would have been Yankee doings as the sail would have been lashed to the boom. I say looking through others’ work that this sail was loose footed. Therefore, I went ahead and redid the furling to the gaff. The second image shows the rough mizzen mast where hoops would surely rubbed off paint. Before completing the mizzen, I need to share a surprise as the acrylic sheets from China showed up in days, not weeks. Etsy was my source, and they sell them at the size I wanted in groups of 6. I chose 2 each of three colors. They are not textured, but I can deal with that down grade. 5-7 here we see three colors in the first view, a dark ocean blue , and very light and I hope icy blue and a mid-range sea blue. I chose the icy blue, and with a larger 16 by 24 size sheet I moved things around a bit. I then used the previous cut out as a template and got what I hope will work out …..icy toned water beginning to freeze. Back to the mizzen and some of my moves. 8-10 I respect the other builders of this model who are more familiar with British Navy standards etc. I have over the years collected a parallel library of America Non-Navy standards. My example is all the work by William Crothers. I would guess there are more similarities than differences but leave that discussion for the experts. In my build, the combined topping lift/lazy jacks, the life lines, the out haul, the boom tackle[ preventer] are all from my New England approach. I have to admit I just went ahead building them that way and then looked at other builds and said oh no..I am wrong again. These three views try to capture the spanker fitout, then the boom detail, then the upper mast. At this point only one block is there for the topsail. I am debating when to add the flag and how to soften it. New up the main Cheers- 53 replies
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11 back to the rigging let’s make our sails There are many U-tube series that help with learning the various processes here. I recommend ones goes there. I share my process more to encourage others to give it a try. I am no expert. I usually do full sailing models, So, what we see here is a bit of an experiment. I furles three sails on the Bowdoin and that is the extent of my experience in this process. 1 To make up the yard arms I chose to use copper wire and brass leads. I did not blacken it as that requires two processes and I often have residue that rubs off. That cannot happen with these delicate sails. I used paint, and it really gets covered up with the furling of the sail, so I don’t feel too guilty. 2 here when copying the design onto tracing paper one needs to sure the sail will nicely fit on the yard arm. I say this here a second time, because it really happens…. they seem to grow. Also, I read somewhere that if sails are to be furled, one should only make them about 2/3 their full size. 3 here markings on the silk span are cut out and ready to turn back the edges on one side. I stretch light line on three sides and heavier line where the sail is to be sewn to a spar. 4 -5 the strings are taped down and the edges turned back using diluted white glue. After drying the sail is flipped and thin strips applied to the back side [ reef line too.]. Pencil lines are on both sides. 6-7. here all the lines are attached, and the sail is ready to be attached to the yard arm. Finally, we brush water on both sides of the sail and lightly flake it back and forth up to the yard. Then tie loops and let is dry. 8-10. here is the same process for the two try sails. I had to make it up a bit as I have no info in either the kit or Betts book. The whole assembly is prepared. I tied off two rings before furling and left the other rings loose. As this boom would have been very active, I assumed the looseness of no binding rings made sense. They would drop the gaff , shake out the sail and re tie off the hoops when ready to resume sailing next year. Also, I saw little hope in not taring stuff if I tried to install them all then furl. There is no strength in wet silk span. I am now in mid stream for figuring the how to present the story of taking down top rigging, I will share that phase in parts All for now- 53 replies
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wow. thank you for your kind words. I sure hope the diorama comes close to your expectations. I got my new acrylic today in three different color selections, and i think is will work well. More later but here is a sneak preview. there still is so much to do that is pure modeling as well. cheers- 53 replies
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About the NRG
If you enjoy building ship models that are historically accurate as well as beautiful, then The Nautical Research Guild (NRG) is just right for you.
The Guild is a non-profit educational organization whose mission is to “Advance Ship Modeling Through Research”. We provide support to our members in their efforts to raise the quality of their model ships.
The Nautical Research Guild has published our world-renowned quarterly magazine, The Nautical Research Journal, since 1955. The pages of the Journal are full of articles by accomplished ship modelers who show you how they create those exquisite details on their models, and by maritime historians who show you the correct details to build. The Journal is available in both print and digital editions. Go to the NRG web site (www.thenrg.org) to download a complimentary digital copy of the Journal. The NRG also publishes plan sets, books and compilations of back issues of the Journal and the former Ships in Scale and Model Ship Builder magazines.