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  1. Allan after seeing your Boothbay Schooner I am game to trying this method out. I am look now for more tutorials cheers jon
  2. Post 13 Closer to painting the hull and more work on spars I had to laugh at myself as I reviewed photos in the log and found I mislabeled one as the Ada Cliff; that was wrong. I have several photos in the archive, and I pulled the wrong one apparently mislabeled a few years ago. The substitution does not change, but reinforce my conclusion, I just thought I should set the record straight. I also edited the earlier posts identifying the other Schooner. 95 here is the photo for which I need to get a larger scan to allow blow ups for more details. It shows the white transom on Ada Cliff. The larger size and closeness to the 45-degree slant agree with both Priscilla Alden and Lillian Woodruff. All is good. The waterline painting and spar finishing One bonus to the above photo is that in the lower left, one can see the keel for the first four masted Schooner has been started. The yard alternated building one after the other for the following few years. Back to painting the waterline, I see here in the photo that the sharp rise in the transom may be more of an angle than I achieved using, and then then modifying, the Bath built Schooner drawing. In my preliminary check, the waterline will not be quite so low on the rudder. That would suggest that despite my efforts the shear of the transom does not yet swoop upward. I hope to be forgiven once again if that pans out. The following image and blow ups are from the launch day newspaper photos, now available at the Boothbay Region Historical Society. They will be the basis of my attempt to make this all work out to be representative of the actual Schooner. 96 this view is the overall shot. After I lay out the waterline, I need to determine if another bulwark plank may be needed to get the rise in shear at the stern. I hope not, but only time will tell and only the few readers of the log will know….smile 97 In this blow up we get a sense of dark and light for treatment of spars. The mast in the hoop area is darker that other photos. The Boom Saddles are clearly white, but the yokes are natural. The hoops are a lighter color; perhaps they’re ash or white oak strips. 98 This view shows all the bow sprit and its rigging and trim. Also, the anchor shape and size are clear. This view at this point will help me identify the right waterline. It is clearly a big drop or better se=aid the bow shear looks high. 99 here are the fore and main top masts. All of the spars seem to have remained natural. The cross-ties look to be dark. As they as typically made of oak, I assume this work was all painted black. The iron work is clearly black, not galvanized. 100 here is the Mizzen top. It gives a clear view of the rigging and will be helpful at that stage. Now it just confirms the dark finish. With these photos not at high resolution I still believe I can move forward finishing the spars and finishing and iron work. Before I get into the rigging process, I hope to get higher resolution photos and pick some more detail Back to work 101 here I am setting up the two types of blackening I am trying to perfect. I am using the kettle with Sparex for pickling and Brass Black for brass and Liver of Sulphur for copper. The first fittings are on the spanker boom. I am leaving them loose until the mast is stepped and I line up the sheet band. I dare not fix it in now. 102 here is the brand new, never used spray paint set up my son recommend for the amateur that I will be. I need to break in to avoid the issue of brush strokes with acrylic paint. 103 here is an update photo of the spar building program. I keep working on the different areas. I need to get the lower masts finish right and then the hoops on. Once that is done, we begin the crosstree building. In the meantime, there is a lot of brass and copper iron work to do. I have sanded the hoops to where they still have some strength. At some point I need to stop and go forward. I still need to look into getting some veneer that is flexible enough and stable enough and then find how to cut narrow strips. The birch works ok but a paper think it slides under the saw fence. May If I keep scanning logs in the how to do I will find on on making better hoops using wood. All for now
  3. Post 12 Think about hull painting and progress on spars First up was our monthly Guild meeting in bath, City of ships. 84 the tug sitting next to the Ada Cliff hull is awesome. The detail amazing and yes it will motor around a pond this summer. Thus another discussion of whether to sail Ada Cliff. The group was kinder to me since I fixed the incorrect stern as reported last month. They thought my idea of scratching little lines on the planks was nuts, as they would never be seen under paint. One thought the planking on fast built coal schooners of 1917might not have been too perfect, so why take out all of the dents anyway. It shows there are many choices out there when deciding when to paint and more forward. As a follow up, my son visited and convinced me to buy my first airbrush. It comes in a few weeks, and I will obviously need to practice some before using it. Therefore… 85 here I am going over dents and things with more glazing putty and sanding vigorously after each coat of paint. The hull is resting though with so many visitors as well I am therefore going ahead with the prework on spars and planning for sails How to rig a large scale schooner….could it sail? The milestone reached by completing the planking means many things need to be decided. I want to share a photo from my 2015 model of Charles Notman. It was a similar 1:48 scale Maine schooner. The big difference is I definitely built it to be an RC sailing schooner. Let’s look at some of the decisions made to support that approach and see what I need to do now. I do not plan to sail this model. 86 Charles Notman model foremast details. There are many things to look at here and then decide if they are appropriate. Also, as all of us learn from our mistakes what improvements can I make 6 years later. 1. Mast coloring and hoops. As this was a RC model, I chose thin 1.5MM brass hoops. They aged nicely and since it is a sailing model maybe OK. 2. The mast is Sitka Spruce stained dark. it should have been dark only in the area of the hoops as the mast was greased there. Having sailed on Bluenose II and seen many Maine Windjammers the mast is its natural color away from the greased areas. Some are painted from the boom saddle down and cross ties up. 3. Sails were sewn muslin. There is lots of info advising anyone at this scale not to use cloth or sewing machines etc. Since “Charlie” was a sailor, I still feel that gives it a pass. I will not use cloth. I hope to learn how to work with Silkspan on this go around. 4. Turnbuckles. I used brass tubes filed to make yokes and small machine bolts for the ends. Obviously, half of the threads are not left handed, and they do not work. They were painted Aluminum paint to give the galvanized look. What I plan to do will be similar, I just hope a little better soldering etc. 5. Balustrades. One hundred plus and I turned them with files on a small lathe. I assume the same and again just hope for a better consistency. I have also become a little more selective in woods. So, let’s get started with the rigging plan for a static model. I still hope to get the running rigging right and that is a key interest I have. We need to be able to keep the understanding of how these big elephant-like rigs worked with such a small crew. 87 first up is the boom saddle. I usually sin again and make these out of plywood. Drill the center hole and then sand the outside of the doughnut. 88 here I show what I am not going to do. I struggled to find more of the 1.5 mm smash rings and came up with these. They are thicker! Great for out of scale RC sailor. They are going into storage. 89. here is the start of what I hope works out. I use 1/64 birch ply and cut strips. I find the saw strips the bottom layer, so with that I dare not cut any narrower. I will need to sand them down and I am not sure how narrow it will come out. 90 here I have selected two sizes of tube to use for the hoops. This schooner used them on the uppers as well. 91 now for all those little bands. I learned this trick from a clipper ship log last year and it works. This little box contains what I am told dentists used years ago for making inlay molds. There are 14 diameters of thin copper tube. One is on the tapered dowel by the X-Acto knife, I cut the bands by rolling it. The bands then find a nice snug fit. Occasionally for the smaller end we need to cheat and add a dab of glue. Once the annealed steel wire eye goes through the spar, all is secure. 92 here I am drilling through for the peak halyard hardware for the wire eyes. 93 here I am soldering the little rings to make up the linked hardware for the throat halyard 94 here we have a progress look as we work our way through the foresail spars. For look only I put three of the old brass smash rings like Charles Notman and then three partially sanded hoops. Considering that the hoops will not be bunched below the lowered gaff, but sewn to the sail, I believe they can be a little bigger than reality would dictate. I hope so anyway. All for now
  4. Thanks Tom it is always fun to get those last few planks installed now the issue to ever get satisfied with sand and clean up to go ahead and paint. cheers
  5. Post 11 Complete planking As most of us have learned the hard way there is no simple answer to hold that last few rows of planks in place. I have learned to simply improvise as I go. 75 here I took a block and passed the string through the hull and clamped it to a bulkhead on the other side. A little wedge and all is good. 76 here we are done for the lower section. 77 There were several areas that I thought to fill before sanding thus confirming my limited ability. Now I need to get those bulwark planks in place and not glue them to the bulkheads. I could have waited I suppose but I believe this is the right time to complete them. 78 I cut away the top corner of each bulkhead and then used scrap and clamps top act as temporary stanchions. 79 I learned before that it is handy to get a prime coat on to better see what I am dealing with at this stage and not wait . Before the paint that I razor cut along any joints that I filled as I hope to get enough joints showing through the paint to see the planking. 80 here the top bulwark plank is in place, sanded and primed. Now to do the other side and add a second coat of primer 81to 83 sanded and primed. Now comes a few days of going over and adding a little filler where needed, sanding and trying to get a better grade before marking the waterline and painting the bottom. I also need to add many little cuts to show the ends of the planks after a sanding and before final painting. Next up I am working in parallel to get all the spars ready All for now
  6. Just a few updated photos as I started the final planks just before the holiday break. Lots of sanding and scaping of glue ahead of me cheers
  7. Post 10 Continue hull and spars and research on sails I believe it is important to record where we combine ideas and sources especially when we are making it up as we go. One of the best books for a Schooner lover is the wonderful book The Schooner Bertha L. Downs by Basil Greenhill and Sam Manning. A note on the cover also identifies this book as the anatomy of the Ship. I love that because there is a running argument that a Schooner is not a ship. There are many other drawings by Sam Manning and other information available through the Maine Maritime Museum of note too. MMM in Bath, Me is a must stop for those that get up this way. Basil Greenhill has other great books too. Part of the fun of these builds is also the growth of the library . 68 The Book retells the history of Schooners and then takes us through every detail of this wonderful vessel build around 1909 in Bath, Maine. We need to remember that around this period, the famous 6 masted Wyoming was launched, it was the end of the schooner building boom. It was 7 to 8 years until 1917 when so many freighters were sunk by the German U boats, that people realized the resource of skilled people, materials and facilities in Maine to build many Schooners. That combined need and supply source led to the boom in 4 masted schooners that lasted about 5 years. As I said earlier in the log, the Ada Cliff was used as a model for 4 four masted Schooners. The only change to the first one was to add 40 feet and a fourth mast to the lines of Ada. I repeat this because the detail of the four masted Bertha l. Downs is therefore very appropriate to compare with the three masted Ada Cliff. I will not place lots of details from the book that I use in the log but will declare that masting and rigging is be based as follows. I am copying the scaled sail plan of the other 1917 Boothbay Schooner Priscilla Alden and then checking it against the Bertha L Downs drawings . For spars and things there is no way to use the other information, so I use the cad scaled drawing for lengths of spars and sails and the book for everything else. 70 here is an updated progress shot. All the spars are roughed out and I am in the second stage of adding yokes drilling holes and thinking about cross trees. I need to get more photos to determine the extent of painted spars too. When I studied the Charles Notman, built in 1894 in Bath, Me., they used jack stays for the topsails and not hoops. That is similar in logic to using a spanker mast on a ship. I note that Bertha L Downs shows hoops on the upper masts so that is a way to go. Continuing spars Now that I am using the details form the book I am able to get going. First up I found I needed to take down all three lower masts to get to a smaller diameter. Second up is to start making all those little yokes. 71 I learned a while agio that to make straight little drill holes it is best to use a mill. After learning that I found it natural to go over and set it up. 72 this also helps in glue up to be able to use pins to align the parts I am using maple for the yokes. . Start of sails Sails take a long time. The first process is to develop a set of templates. That is all I am doing now. 73 here I have taken measurements from the Sail plan in Turbo cad and laid them out on a sheet of newsprint. I made simple coordinates. 74 here is the detailed sail print from Bertha L Downs. It is fun to check especially as they seem to be similar. When I measure the foresail and fore topsail, they are right on. The head sails will be different and of course we are missing one mast. Up next is Planning the middle band of planking It is time to recheck everything and plan my attack. As an amateur I can say I am ok if the bands on port and starboard are not perfect. They are off on one side to the other about a 1/16 on average. The bow is right on as I could look each time. The stern is over a 1/16, so I need to fix that . we will see how it goes next week. I am sure as soon as July 4 arrives, we will slow right down though, so I do not have major expectations as when to celebrate the last plank. All for now
  8. Post 9 Start the masts and continue planking I found a few years back that I love using Sitka spruce to make large scale spars. I bought a good supply and will be able to continue that practice. 60 I started off this time by making a jig to hold the square cut strips to make that first corner cut. 61 here that cut is made. I then carefully adjust the fence and make the three other cuts sliding the cut side on the table. 62 I chose to do the foremast first as it is the shortest. It fit in the middy lathe. Yes, I am taking a short cut using the lathe to make round spars. I agree with eh hand method in small scale but continue my ways. 63 here I have sinned again by selecting dowels for the other smaller spars. Once they are shaped, stained, and all and sails are attached, I am comfortable that not using the spruce will be OK. 64 when it came to the two longer masts I needed to cut the below deck portion first to fit in the lathe. I remember the difficulty with the bigger Bluenose spars, so being able to fit the rough cut stock in was particularly good news to me. In the meantime, I peck away at the planking. Another sin is I am running longer planks and will cut in joints later. I do this to get a smother sweep. 65 here we are at the beginning of the week getting close to completing the out two bands. 66 here is a progress update photo showing many of the spars are now roughly shaped and the planking coming along. 67 I can celebrate the first bands are done and the first plank of the center band is going in place. I hope to get through this stage before the summer outside schedule take over completely. All for now
  9. Post 8 Fixing the stern again My effort to stretch the plans a bit to make the stern more like the photo of Ada went too far. So, what did I do, what went wrong and how to fix 51 here in a blow up of one of the photos of the 1899 Lillian Woodruff we see maybe 8 feet [ 2 inches in scale ]and the angle is closer to the 45 degrees than the 60 degrees of the bath Schooner plans. I made the transom based on this photo. 52 and 53 looking down and then across we can see the extra dip and twist of the planking that was not faired to the combined new transom….oops that mistake was picked up by my colleagues. So how to fix? 54 playing back inside the cad plans I added a rough polyline that split the difference between the original station 23 to the transom. That blue line is bigger than station 24 55 I printed that drawing out and pasted it to scrap plywood 56 here I used the red Cross sections lines to properly align the new piece and glued it to station 24. This effort gives me more station bulkhead to fair 57 it became obvious I needed to do the same thing to station 23. In this photo I had removed planking only from one side where the clamps are located 58 several days later , both sides are done and I am getting back into the swing of planking. The dip is gone, so I guess we are OK 59 looking from the bow, I am now working top and bottom bands toward the middle. I know from memory I will get to a point of no internal clamping if I complete both bands and then attack the middle. So more to think about as we move along. I need to figure at what point in the curve do I want to be fitting the last planks where only rubber bands and other similar means hold the planks in place. I prefer not to pin them but we are painting so maybe that will be OK too. All for now
  10. Joe thanks for the sympathy yes we need to show our work and we need the critical eye and open comments to keep us improving. I have gone past the problem with adjusted stations and will catch up on the log in a bit. thanks jon
  11. Alan good to hear from you I learned the method at Wooden boat school many years ago when I went there with my son for a vacation treat of building two Marblehead racing yachts. I have used it on several other larger scale builds . it saves so much effort. cheers jon
  12. Post 7 Planking plan This story is lengthening as I have some false starts. The root cause of the issues is having no real plans I am combining photos with a bath-built hull drawing of an 1884 schooner. The impact of my false start is the highly visible stern section. We will get to the oops but first the plan. In my last Pinky build, I went through the lessons learned at the NSJ conference in New Bedford, where we had a great presentation on planking. I followed THE process the best I could and had a reasonable conclusion. My previous large hulls were for RC. That means the hull planking was only a substratum for fiberglass and as three of my builds show, it is fast using 1/8” cedar planks and sanding away. This time it is a large hull and I want the planks to show through the paint a bit. That still allows a few errors to be hidden and for a reasonable rate of work. Sloppy glue will be sanded and painted by example so good old strong wood glue can be used. A major issue will be how to deal with the bulkheads once I complete the outside and turn the model over to start the deck. So, what are we trying to achieve? 45 here is a newspaper photo of the Schooner Anna Laura McKenney build a few hundred yards away from Ada at the same time. She was completed in December of 1917 when a major freeze came to Boothbay Harbor. Everything was frozen. They could not launch her for a month. 46 the point of showing her is in this grainy blow-up detail of the planking. This photo shows that the size of the planks are clearly less than 12 inches. Based on the experience of seeing Ernestina Morrissey being rebuilt on the exact location over the last few years is that 9 inches is a good average to use in the planking. Thus, for the first conclusion the maximum planks will be 3/16th in scale. I plan to use 1/16” thick planking without laborious thickness sanding. The first reason is strength. I want the opportunity to dig out much of the interior bulkheads in case I take that path. The second reason is there is so much planking I want to be more productive and less worried about each placement. There is then plenty of meat for sanding. Next up is figuring out the bands 47 here we have the table of calcs to figure and simplification of plank production. If one sees the box its numbers advise the size of a plank for each zone. It is possible that for most of the planking, since it is so straight, that with more simplified tapering vs each plank spiled we can get there. I am sure at the bow and stern are will we the take off method and spiling of planks out of ¾ “blanks. 48 jumping ahead in what became a false start. I am adding a few tapered planks to the stern. The transom in this photo is also being planked. The three bands are separated by twine. This string option was described in the NJR conference, and I have adopted it. I like that it allows easier adjustment than the use of wood battens. 49 here we are doing the easy stuff at the bow. I had to do the other [ port] side twice to get the two sides to come together at the bow sprit. 50 well here we are post covid back at our monthly guild meeting. We even had lunch. My schooner skeleton is there about to get creamed. It seems using string for setting up bands makes one think there is no fairing going on. The old-style batten is the way to go they mostly said. More important was the consensus that my first attempt to put the right size transom on the old, designed hull was an un lofted failure. I am truly glad they trashed my first attempt. Some time we need our peers to clobber us. I am back to the shop and already part way through the restart. The issue is with the enlargement of the transom [ height that is] I ended up with the two planks that I set on the stern area below the shear planks, reducing to the last station 24 and then flaring back out to get around the transom……oops that what was rejected, and they were right. Next posting we will document the problem and the fix. I do not agree with them on the string however as I understand it is not the same process as the batten fairing that precedes it. Cheers
  13. Post 6 Complete deck shear line planks I have to admit that I am going back and forth between drawings of schooners and playing with the few photos to make some of the design decisions needed to move forward. One example is to identify the location of the forward end of the poop deck. In the 1894 build of the Charles Notman it was unusual and went up forward past the main mast. That was found to be not a great engineered solution and was quickly abandoned. The 1917 Priscilla Alden plans that have survived are the general basis of the logic I am using. All that being said, the point is we are building a bulkhead model and need to be sure to eliminate the bulkheads at the deck level before planking where possible. Using the Priscilla Alden plan, the poop deck ends just forward of the mizzen mast. The fore deck is raised just forward of the fore cabin. The foremast is in the middle of that cabin, so one would go forward stepping down to the fore deck. 40 here we see just forward of station18 we need to add the deck shear plank. I let the poop deck shear plank run past for now. 41 up forward the foredeck rises at statin 4. 42 now I need to fill in and complete the planking between the two shear lines. Note I left the planking run past and cut out the bulkhead behind it and left it loose I can connect and fill in with stanchions much later in the build . 43 in this view we see I have placed spacers to maintain the right space between planks so I can fill them in later 44 here we have completed the four-plank strip making up the two shearlines of the main deck level and raised deck level I probably did the extension of planking for future connection because it will make a much stronger model. Perhaps a carry over from my radio sail days. These 1/16” poplar planks will be quite strong. I do not plan to use resin on the outside because I want to see the planking through the white paint. I am not sure yet how much of the bulkhead I will cut out after I turn the model right side up and start the deck. Next up is to figure a planking plan
  14. Post 5 Update on resizing and building the stern. I realized that to properly build the stern I needed to extend the building board. One advantage of this large scale and the stability of the bulkheads is that I saw no movement when I released the aft keel end post. I simply inserted a scrap piece of pine the same thickness and reset the end post. 33 here we are extending the building board. The pattern for dead wood and sternpost is laid in. a note is that after looking at the Ada Cliff photos, I decided that the transom was clearly closer to 8 feet than the 6-foot dimension on the older Bath drawings. 34 here I used the aluminum box to hold all straight as I screwed the end post back into the building board and the small plywood square splice block. Now I can go ahead and build up the stern. Since this is a bulkhead model, I can shape a block that is so much easier than the frame building I just did on Ernestina. I will save that joyous exercise for another build. 35 in this view, I have taken some scrap pieces of Alaskan yellow cedar that I am using to rebuild my front porch. It is beautiful wood to work with and I plan to keep all the useful scraps for the model shop. 36 now I added in a transom station and dry fit the parts. 37 here is the glue up to the transom station. 38 I have added a 1/16th piece of sacrificial plywood to act as the template for the future transom planning. I also need to fair things to fit the planking. Now for the bow stem I simply added in some scrap balsa to help provide a better shape and give more surface to glue the curving planks. I have done this in pine on previous builds and thought this choice might be easier. We’ll see. 39 here are the blocks with rough fairing underway. Not too much sanding. I then need to carve the bow stem for the rabbit need to receive the planks. the "Bearding line" I think All for now
  15. Michael welcome aboard. The hull on deck when adjusted should be 37.25 which scales to 149 feet. I try on all my builds , as I focus on the ship building of the town here in Maine, to include what research I can. I always welcome suggestions and questions. cheers jon
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