ID that ship

[captgino]

Hi All,

 

I was given this ship and trying to identify what could be its name. it looks like a Cutty Sack or a Flying Cloud but either the bow or the stern varies.

Thoughts?

[Jaager]

JP.

 

It may not necessarily be a ship.  It may be a bark or a large schooner.

 

Framing that is all single frames, may be a clue - if the framing matched the original.

The midship looks to be farther aft than is typical.

The mainmast looks atypical in how far aft it is.

The older style stern may help narrow the possibles.

 

A bow on photo, camera back a bit, bottom of the keel on a single plane,  would help with this, but

 

This vessel seems narrow with a lot more deadrise than a commercial carrier would afford.

Flying Cloud also had a midship that was closer to 50%.  It also looked like it ate few too many sandwiches.

 

If it is a clipper,  Crothers  may help,  but if your photo has not distorted or obscured too much,  this is more of an anti-packet, so I would not expect a match there for any ID.  

I jumped a step, Crothers wrote more than one book  -  All are must haves if this sort of ship is in your area of interest.  His book on clippers - the framing reminds me of some of his illustrations.   His book on packets -  those had a cross section that reminds me end on view of a single stack saltine box with rounded corners at the bottom.

 

[Jim Lad]

Jaager is right.  Just from your phots, this could be one of any number of vessels from almost any country. Do you have any other information on the model?  Anything that might give a clue to a possible identity?

 

John

[Roger Pellett]

If you have any interest in further researching or completing the model, Corothers’ two books are a must.  Particularly helpful are tables itemizing hull features for different vessels so you can at least eliminate some possibilities.  For example, Flying Cloud had a round stern so can be eliminated.

 

This is not a sailor made model built by eyeball.  The framing of this model required an accurate lines drawing.  It is unlikely that the builder freelanced a lines drawing on his own before tackling this project.  You therefore need to figure out what hull lines were available to this builder that match the hull features and principal dimensions that represent your model.  Other useful references to help you do this would be Howard Chapelle’s Search for Speed Under Sail and his National Watercraft Collection.  

 

Do you know who built the model?  If he was an NRG Member he might have written about it in the Journal.

 

Another possibility is that the builder adapted a model kit plan to build the model.  Old model kit catalogs are often offered on EBay.  Look for A.J. Fisher, Marine Models, Bluejacket solid hull kits, not the European POB kits.  Knowing what kit plans were available years ago might narrow down your possibilities, as it will give you an idea of the lines drawings that were available.

 

What is the shape of the midships section; flat floors, deadrise, etc?  Different naval architects had specific ideas.

 

Keep us posted on your progress.

 

Roger