Bill Jackson Posted February 12, 2023 Share #1 Posted February 12, 2023 Guys can you please give me the proper name of the rope that connects the main mast with the lower main mast. I have included a pic. I need to determine the proper size of this rope. The model is a 1492 Carrack Thanks in advance Bill mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted February 12, 2023 Share #2 Posted February 12, 2023 (edited) Hi Bill, I may be wrong but I don't think the foremast and fore topmast nor the main mast and main topmast and mizzen masts were ever connected this way on a ship, it does not look to be strong enough to hold them together with the weight of spars, sails, and force of the wind. I am pretty sure they would be set up in manner similar to the picture below. The below is from the cover of R. C. Anderson's book The Rigging of Ships in the Days of the Spritsail Topmast 1600-1720 but I would think for the 15th century they would have had something similar, utilizing trestle trees on which the tops rest and a mast cap for support rather than just a rope. I realize this is probably the kit design but hopefully some member will have more information for you and confirm the design one way or another. Allan Edited February 12, 2023 by allanyed mtaylor 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye2sea Posted February 12, 2023 Share #3 Posted February 12, 2023 The name given for the use of a rope in that manner is a "lashing", but I agree with Allen, that is not the way the two mast sections would be joined. A single point lashing like that would topple in a strong breeze. Regards, Henry mtaylor 1 Quote Henry Laissez le bon temps rouler ! Current Build: Le Soleil Royal Completed Build: Amerigo Vespucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Jackson Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share #4 Posted February 13, 2023 Thank you Allen and Henry. The pic I showed is not completed with trestle tree etc. My focus on showing this pic was the "Lashing" only. This turkey is the Nao Victoria, built even before I was born. It shows the lashing but no Cap. We are talking 1400s. The kit is wrong in so many ways. Does anyone else want to jump in here? Henry has answered my initial question about the naming convention. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted February 13, 2023 Share #5 Posted February 13, 2023 Lashings for small topmasts wete not yotally uncommon at the time. Especially round the mediterranean. As far as I remember, the reconstructions of Santa Maria also show this kind of setup. Also on the large galleys they used lashings as means to connect large pieces of wood for the main yards. Jan allanyed and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Jackson Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share #6 Posted February 13, 2023 Jan, The little info I have found today agrees with you. Looking at pics of Santa Maria (same time period) shows the carrack with lashings and no cap. Finding info of ships in the 1400s is tough! Anderson' book "The Rigging of Ships" is as early as I can find. Thank you all for your advice. Bill mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution popeye2sea Posted February 13, 2023 Solution Share #7 Posted February 13, 2023 Oh, I agree the masts could be made up with lashings, just not like it is in that diagram. Yards were often made up with lashings also. But, there would have been plenty of overlap and more than one lashing. Regards, Henry mtaylor 1 Quote Henry Laissez le bon temps rouler ! Current Build: Le Soleil Royal Completed Build: Amerigo Vespucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieste Posted February 13, 2023 Share #8 Posted February 13, 2023 Even with caps and a solid double attaachment the overlap is roughly 11% of the lower stick. I can't reasonably imagine that lashings alone would permit any less if the upper pole is carrying canvas. - For just a flag staff then maybe you can get away with a similar proportion based on the upper load, but not a single whiff of lashing. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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