uss frolick Posted October 1, 2023 Share #1 Posted October 1, 2023 (edited) Or large wooden vessels of any kind, for the pre 1815 period, other than say small working or fishing craft? It just occurred to me that I never heard of one. Edited October 1, 2023 by uss frolick Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uss frolick Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share #2 Posted October 3, 2023 Wow! No responses? Not even a "Frolick you're an idiot! Don't you remember that HMS Victory was originally HMS Shamrock, build at Cork, prior to her name change..." Canute, Baker and mtaylor 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJohnson Posted October 3, 2023 Share #3 Posted October 3, 2023 I found this:- "Shipbuilding in Ireland in the Nineteenth Century" - Shipbuilding in the United Kingdom in the Nineteenth Century (cambridge.org) Nothing specific on the RN. but the tonnages mentioned may have included Cutters/Brigs/Sloops at a push, maybe commercial vessels brought into the service as transports etc I could imagine, but don't know. Hopefully some history buffs on here know more. There obviously Harland & Wolff, but that is much later than the period you are interested in. Canute, uss frolick and mtaylor 3 Quote Andrew Current builds:- HM Cutter Trial - Vanguard models (1/64), HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64), Hawker-Typhoon-1b-"Car-Door" - Airfix (1/24) Completed (Ship):- "Nisha" - Vanguard Models (1/64), HMS Orestes (Mars) - Caldercraft (1/64), HM Cutter Sherbourne - Caldercraft (1/64), TSS Earnslaw - Paper Shipwright (1/250), Puffer "Starlight" - Paper Shipwright (1/250) Completed (Non-Ship):-Blackburn Buccaneer S.2C - Airfix (1/48), Bristol Beaufort - Airfix (1/72), Mosquito B.XVI - Airfix (1/72), , Sea-Harrier-FRS1 - Airfix (1/72), Grumman F6F-5 Hellcat - Airfix (1/24), De Havilland Chipmunk T.10 - Airfix (1/48), Flamborough Head Lighthouse - Paper Shipwright (1/250) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce d Posted October 3, 2023 Share #4 Posted October 3, 2023 Kinsale played a big role in the 17th and 18th centuries and built at least one RN frigate, HMS Kinsale. Kinsale Dockyard - Wikipedia According to this page HMS Kinsale was the only ship built there for the RN: List of frigate classes of the Royal Navy - Wikipedia Nothing I have found in The National Archives catalogue contradicts this. There was a lot of activity but it was almost exclusively maintenance and repairs. Ireland produced a lot of shipwrights for HM shipyards but I speculate that this was due to a healthy trade in merchant craft. HTH, Bruce Canute, allanyed, AJohnson and 2 others 5 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark P Posted October 3, 2023 Share #5 Posted October 3, 2023 Good Afternoon Frolick; Bruce is indeed correct; there were several attempts to set up a dockyard at Kinsale, but they always failed due to lack of support and funds, despite much pleading from various interested parties. It is also possible that English shipwrights worried about losing lucrative work to Irish yards, and used any influence they had to stop such developments. In 1672 a contract was signed between Sir Nicholas Armorer and Sir Edward Spragge, and the Navy Board, to construct four 50 gun ships at Waterford in Ireland. However, the contract was cancelled and no work carried out, when Spragge was killed at the Battle of the Texel some months later. All the best, Mark P AJohnson, Baker, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Previously built models (long ago, aged 18-25ish) POB construction. 32 gun frigate, scratch-built sailing model, Underhill plans. 2 masted topsail schooner, Underhill plans. Started at around that time, but unfinished: 74 gun ship 'Bellona' NMM plans. POB On the drawing board: POF model of Royal Caroline 1749, part-planked with interior details. My own plans, based on Admiralty draughts and archival research. Always on the go: Research into Royal Navy sailing warship design, construction and use, from Tudor times to 1790. Member of NRG, SNR, NRS, SMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uss frolick Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share #6 Posted October 4, 2023 Great information! Thanks guys! Canute, mtaylor, AJohnson and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uss frolick Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share #7 Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) On 10/3/2023 at 12:26 PM, Mark P said: Good Afternoon Frolick; Bruce is indeed correct; there were several attempts to set up a dockyard at Kinsale, but they always failed due to lack of support and funds, despite much pleading from various interested parties. It is also possible that English shipwrights worried about losing lucrative work to Irish yards, and used any influence they had to stop such developments. In 1672 a contract was signed between Sir Nicholas Armorer and Sir Edward Spragge, and the Navy Board, to construct four 50 gun ships at Waterford in Ireland. However, the contract was cancelled and no work carried out, when Spragge was killed at the Battle of the Texel some months later. All the best, Mark P "It is also possible that English shipwrights worried about losing lucrative work to Irish yards, and used any influence they had to stop such developments." That was my suspicion ... Edited October 4, 2023 by uss frolick mtaylor, Canute and bruce d 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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