Admiral Beez Posted August 1 #1 Posted August 1 (edited) Newbie question here. On my model build (see here) of Heller's 1/150 Le Superbe (but built to a British fashion), the front of the main and foremast top platforms have a line of small holes. The image below says lines from these holes should connect with the fore and main preventor stays, but I do not see this feature on other models. Maybe it was a French feature I can ignore in my captured HMS vessel? Edited August 1 by Admiral Beez mtaylor 1 Quote
Blue Ensign Posted August 1 #2 Posted August 1 They are called Crows feet and were common on British ships also thro’ the 18th c. The purpose was to stop the foot of the topsail getting fouled with the mast top. mtaylor, Admiral Beez and Thukydides 3 Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
TBlack Posted August 1 #3 Posted August 1 Just as BE has indicated plus the lines go through the euphroe block that you can see in the drawing. Hollowneck in his log on Camilla shows this in some detail. It's on page 6 entry #164. Take a look. Tom mtaylor and Admiral Beez 2 Quote
Admiral Beez Posted August 2 Author #4 Posted August 2 5 hours ago, Blue Ensign said: They are called Crows feet and were common on British ships also thro’ the 18th c. The purpose was to stop the foot of the topsail getting fouled with the mast top. Thanks. I don’t see the crows feet on most Napoleonic era models. Did HMS Victory ever have them? mtaylor 1 Quote
Blue Ensign Posted August 2 #5 Posted August 2 They had fallen out of use towards the end of the the 18th c. Victory may well have had them in her earlier years, but perhaps not after her great re-fit of 1800. I note that the Vanguard kit of Indefatigable (1794) has them as part of the rigging. B.E. mtaylor and Admiral Beez 2 Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
Solution Morgan Posted August 2 Solution #6 Posted August 2 8 hours ago, Admiral Beez said: Thanks. I don’t see the crows feet on most Napoleonic era models. Did HMS Victory ever have them? There is circumstantial evidence that Victory carried crows feet at Trafalgar. The painter Clarkson Stanfield when preparing his ‘Trafalgar’ painting produced a first draft for comment. The commentators in question were Trafalgar veterans including Victory’s captain Hardy. This initial draught showed no crows feet, but the final version included them. This obvious change suggests that this was a correction made on input from those veterans and points to a strong possibility of Victory having them fitted at Trafalgar. Gary Admiral Beez, Thukydides, mtaylor and 1 other 3 1 Quote
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