HM Armed Cutter Sherbourne 1763 by Nick 843 - Vanguard Models - 1:64

[Nick 843]

I'm finding as I say that picking up the PE parts with the wax pencil is a breeze, but getting an accurate placement is tricky because the wax pencil has just enough resistance to coming off that the part won't always stay where you want it, so doing it with glue is dicey.

 

So I'm putting a length of masking tape on the part and then using that to get the right position and stick the tape down to hold the part in place.

 

 

Then I'm putting a clamp on the other end and removing the tape, making sure to remove it starting with the end of the tape that's on the part to be sure not to move the part.

 

 

Then I can gently lift up the exposed part, put some glue on and press it down.  Then the clamp comes off and I repeat with the other end of the part.

 

That's working well, although only for the lower two parts; there's just not enough space to do this for the upper part.  So that's placement/glue with just the was pencil, which is a bit nerve-wracking, but one down ok and one to go.  The rudder parts should be easy as it's not installed and is more accessible.

 

I decided to use medium CA glue; the extra-thin is just too runny.  I load up the microbrush, but smear off the glue so that there's a minimum left on the brush, and then apply it to the part or the hull.

 

 

Nick

[Ronald-V]

Looking good! I also ordered the wax pencils...just to give it a try. Which CA brand did you use?

[Nick 843]

I'm using the Bob Smith Industries CA; the purple is the medium.

 

Nick

[Nick 843]

I've finished the hull painting,, even though it doesn't look especially different from the previous pics except I had to add the rudder and sternpost hinges.

 

 

 

I think in retrospect that you could glue on the hinges at an earlier stage as soon as you're happy with the smoothing/sanding in the area of the stern.  That might have avoided some minor grief by reaching earlier what was effectively a finished hull per the previous pics, but with the hinges in place.  Instead of course I had to paint the hinges, which led to re-painting the hull, which led to ... etc.  In some ways I could title this post "If It Ain't Broke, Don't Fix It" or "Leave Well Enough Alone".  

 

Spraying over the hinges and trying to blend it into the rest of the hull gave me areas where the paint was more or less thick.  Where it was thick it was also too thick in places and too thin in others.  The unevenness bothered me, and so began what sometimes seemed like an endless go-round of sanding in selected areas to reduce the thickness and then re-spraying to try to even it out.  There were also a few stubborn spots with gaps or almost-bare wood that seemed resistant to filling or painting.  Touching those up by hand gave me "bumps" which contributed to the go-round.

 

Then at one point, I guess I was too energetic sanding near the stern portside and must have knocked off the middle sternpost hinge.  I didn't notice until a bit later, so had no idea of the direction the part may have gone.  Three or four searches later with a flashlight ... zilch; eaten by the carpet monster.  So I made a new one from the PE sprue; it's a bit bent from trying to punch the bolts, but it is what it is.

 

 

Anyway, irritation was minor, and mainly about having to repeatedly clean the airbrush.

 

On to next steps; more later.

 

Nick

[Russ2025]

2 hours ago, Nick 843 said:

I've finished the hull painting,, even though it doesn't look especially different from the previous pics except I had to add the rudder and sternpost hinges.

 

 

 

I think in retrospect that you could glue on the hinges at an earlier stage as soon as you're happy with the smoothing/sanding in the area of the stern.  That might have avoided some minor grief by reaching earlier what was effectively a finished hull per the previous pics, but with the hinges in place.  Instead of course I had to paint the hinges, which led to re-painting the hull, which led to ... etc.  In some ways I could title this post "If It Ain't Broke, Don't Fix It" or "Leave Well Enough Alone".  

 

Spraying over the hinges and trying to blend it into the rest of the hull gave me areas where the paint was more or less thick.  Where it was thick it was also too thick in places and too thin in others.  The unevenness bothered me, and so began what sometimes seemed like an endless go-round of sanding in selected areas to reduce the thickness and then re-spraying to try to even it out.  There were also a few stubborn spots with gaps or almost-bare wood that seemed resistant to filling or painting.  Touching those up by hand gave me "bumps" which contributed to the go-round.

 

Then at one point, I guess I was too energetic sanding near the stern portside and must have knocked off the middle sternpost hinge.  I didn't notice until a bit later, so had no idea of the direction the part may have gone.  Three or four searches later with a flashlight ... zilch; eaten by the carpet monster.  So I made a new one from the PE sprue; it's a bit bent from trying to punch the bolts, but it is what it is.

 

 

Anyway, irritation was minor, and mainly about having to repeatedly clean the airbrush.

 

On to next steps; more later.

 

Nick

I am familiar with the process of touching up the touchups of the touchups. The endless parade of cleaning brushes in my case. Your project is looking great !

 

Russ

[Nick 843]

Thanks Russ!

Nick

[palmerit]

3 hours ago, Nick 843 said:

Then at one point, I guess I was too energetic sanding near the stern portside and must have knocked off the middle sternpost hinge.  I didn't notice until a bit later, so had no idea of the direction the part may have gone.  Three or four searches later with a flashlight ... zilch; eaten by the carpet monster.  So I made a new one from the PE sprue; it's a bit bent from trying to punch the bolts, but it is what it is.

I did exactly the same thing on mine - overeager sanding to get it just right, then it popped and was lost forever, and made a new one out of spare PE sprue. Being painted, no one but me would ever know looking at it which is original and which is a substitute.

 

Model looks great.

[palmerit]

When you get to rigging, check out the videos from Curtis_Wooden_Shipyard (as well as the ModelKitStuff videos). His are short and topical, usually with little talking, except upfront in the intro, but it's helpful to see how he does some of his rigging steps. I found it especially useful when doing ratlines. I bought a 90 degree pair of tweezers that I saw him using (they're from Bernina, a sewing company) and they made doing lots of rigging (especially ratlines) way easier than the ones I was using (and I have several different kinds).

 

[Nick 843]

Thanks Palmerit, and I will certainly check out the rigging videos and 90 deg tweezers.

Nick

[palmerit]

These are the tweezers: https://www.universityofsewing.com/shop/c/p/BERNINA-Tweezers-8-Series-x53811611.htm

 

(Probably available lots of other places - Bernina is a big brand.)

[Geordie Tyne]

9 hours ago, Nick 843 said:

So I made a new one from the PE sprue; it's a bit bent from trying to punch the bolts, but it is what it is.

Great save. I don’t think anyone will see the difference. Your hull is looking really good.

 

Regards

[Nick 843]

Thanks Geordie.

Nick

[Nick 843]

The deck is now down and just waiting on the glue to set fully in a couple of hours.

 

The deck went in very nicely, just a bit of sanding on the notches for the stem and stern posts.  I checked the fit dry a couple of times using the mainmast and the bowsprit and main bitts to make sure it all lined up.  Then I put them in again after putting the deck down onto the glue to be absolutely sure it's all aligned.  A couple of pics glued and with clamps and some weights while drying:

 

 

 

Meanwhile, I've been multi-tasking since yesterday.  The main wales are downstairs primed and ready for paint, as are the inner bulwarks.  The tiller is assembled, sanded and ready for WOP.  You can't really see in these pics, but the outer bulwarks have been WOP'd, also the inner transom area.  I'll post a pic after the clamps and weights come off.  I love what WOP does on pear, gives it a real nice tint.

 

Nick

 

 

[Nick 843]

Here it is with the weights etc off.

 

 

 

Nick

 

[Ronald-V]

It's starting to look more and more like it!

[Nick 843]

5 hours ago, Ronald-V said:

It's starting to look more and more like it!

Thanks Ron; yep feeling close to a ship model now.  Once I get on wales, inner bulwarks, spirketting, which should be today, that'll be a major step.  Then it'll be cutting out the gunports (itching to do that) and putting the rails on.

Nick

[Nick 843]

I ran into a little issue with the fit of the aft section of the starboard inner bulwark.  Dry-fitting, I had a small gap at the stern end; it's only 1mm, but is plenty for the gap to show.

 

 

The section lines up nicely otherwise, so I don't want to do a small insert at the section join, as that would throw alignment off imo.  I measured from stempost corner to each quarter corner, and the starboard side measurement is indeed 1mm longer, so my starboard side is longer somehow than my port side.

 

 

So my idea has been to try and tack on an extension to the stern end of the bulwark section, using the sprue form, so it will necessarily match, and then I'll just have to cut/sand the addition to match.

 

 

So goes the theory anyway.

 

So I've put down some wax paper underneath to prevent the glue from sticking everything to the cutting mat, put some glue on the sprue end, inserted the part and put some tape on to hold it as firmly as possible against the sprue end, some wax paper on top to prevent glue sticking to a board clamped on to hold it all in place.

 

 

That was half an hour ago.  Gonna leave it for at least two hours before taking a look to see if it's worked.  Fingers crossed.

 

Nick

[palmerit]

2 hours ago, Nick 843 said:

So my idea has been to try and tack on an extension to the stern end of the bulwark section, using the sprue form, so it will necessarily match, and then I'll just have to cut/sand the addition to match.

Perfect solution. I had a similar issue and ended up using some wood filler, which was okay I suppose since it was all painted. I "discovered" your solution when trying to fix a problem later (the trim pieces around the stern).

Edited yesterday at 04:27 PM by palmerit

[Ronald-V]

Yes I like your solution too...that's going to look more then fine  

[Nick 843]

Thanks all.

 

I think this is going to work.  The glued joint is good and without much excess.  I took the "gross" down with the Dremel, now sanding sticks and so on.  Trying to remember to be more and more careful/slow as I go and holding with fingers on the joint and as close as possible to the sanding so as not to stress the joint.

 

Close enough here to stop with the Dremel.

 

 

Closer in with some hand sanding.

 

 

A test fit suggests ok on general shape.  Now it'll be repeated test fits and sand a tiny bit, etc etc.  Won't get anymore done today though as have to do some other stuff.

 

Nick

[Nick 843]

Well that fix worked pretty well.  I carefully sanded down to final shape, cleaned off the glue residue, scribed out the etched lines as best I could, and painted.

 

 

 

Glued in, it's not so noticeable.

 

 

I've now glued on the other main wale and roughly cut out the gunports.  There are a few little slip-ups here and there, but I'm pretty pleased with it.  The red looks a bit orangey in the pics.

 

 

 

 

Installing the main wales was kind of nervy, in part because I thought I was through with planking LOL.  I decided to use CA; I just can't use those pins, they never go in right.  I had pre-shaped the wale parts in the usual way, but I had to clamp them on a bit higher than the top line for them because I couldn't clamp down that far.  I suppose that gave them an ever so slightly different shape, and on the starboard side one I should have backed off and re-shaped, especially the bit right at the stem, which wasn't curved enough.  But of course I forced it down with glue on and luckily it held.  It's a touch off but I'm not going to try to fix it.  There's also a little bit of clinker effect on both just under the foremost gunports on each side, but again you can't really notice it when you're looking at the model normally, so best left alone I think.  Except for the slight clinker, the portside wale wen down better as I did re-shape near the stem to fit better.

 

Nick