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Talos got a reaction from Canute in American sailing warships with no plans or records
Glad you like the view!
There were 17 states in 1811 since Ohio entered the union in 1803. That didn't last long, as Louisiana became a state in 1812.
From the catalog entry: Inscriptions on recto: "Design for the Stern of the Sloop of War Hornet" "History" "Young" "Apollo" " Knowledge" "Cloathes."
On the smaller, but zoomed-in scan, you can see the original locations of the stars easier, as well as some penciled in detail on the panel next to the eagle (look at that 3d eagle's head!). http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/cph.3a05394/
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Talos got a reaction from CharlieZardoz in American sailing warships with no plans or records
Glad you like the view!
There were 17 states in 1811 since Ohio entered the union in 1803. That didn't last long, as Louisiana became a state in 1812.
From the catalog entry: Inscriptions on recto: "Design for the Stern of the Sloop of War Hornet" "History" "Young" "Apollo" " Knowledge" "Cloathes."
On the smaller, but zoomed-in scan, you can see the original locations of the stars easier, as well as some penciled in detail on the panel next to the eagle (look at that 3d eagle's head!). http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/cph.3a05394/
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Talos got a reaction from uss frolick in American sailing warships with no plans or records
You'll notice in the drawing of Hornet's stern, there is a pair of columns from the US Capitol Building above it. Dated 1811 and it looks like it was held in the files of the Architect of the Capitol and transferred to the LoC later on.
Re: the model, hmm, yeah, Essex is always a possibility. I was thinking the same about the bank too.
Another random shot I found, a USN seaplane next to the 74-gun USS Granite State (ex-New Hampshire), along with the steam yacht USS Wasp (a training ship by this point). http://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/ggbain/20200/20238v.jpg
With USS United States, I'm also reminded of these two http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2012645377/ https://ussconstitutionmuseum.org/2016/06/14/federal-frigate-early-views-united-states/
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Talos got a reaction from uss frolick in American sailing warships with no plans or records
It's not one of the frigates that we were talking about earlier, but I ran into this nice drawing of Hornet's stern carvings just now.
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Talos got a reaction from coxswain in American sailing warships with no plans or records
If it had five windows, I imagine her reconstruction was likely based on Chapelle's.
Uploading a pair of redrawings I did recently, the proposed 74 from the Revolution. Interesting ship, size-wise she matches up with what the British would call the Large-class. Just for fun, and because I always thought they were interesting (I blame Gardiner's book on Frigates of the Napoleonic Wars), I did a hypothetical razee in that style. The bow and stern are taken from Franklin's "as-built" profile and I think they really capture the same feeling as HMS Saturn's razee. I also recently was reading Millions for Defense, about the subscription frigates, which has me thinking about Boston, John Adams, and ones we don't have plans for. I wonder what we're missing with those ships and which of the "unnamed" plans in Chapelle match up with them, if any.
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Talos got a reaction from mtaylor in American sailing warships with no plans or records
You'll notice in the drawing of Hornet's stern, there is a pair of columns from the US Capitol Building above it. Dated 1811 and it looks like it was held in the files of the Architect of the Capitol and transferred to the LoC later on.
Re: the model, hmm, yeah, Essex is always a possibility. I was thinking the same about the bank too.
Another random shot I found, a USN seaplane next to the 74-gun USS Granite State (ex-New Hampshire), along with the steam yacht USS Wasp (a training ship by this point). http://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/ggbain/20200/20238v.jpg
With USS United States, I'm also reminded of these two http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2012645377/ https://ussconstitutionmuseum.org/2016/06/14/federal-frigate-early-views-united-states/
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Talos got a reaction from Canute in American sailing warships with no plans or records
You'll notice in the drawing of Hornet's stern, there is a pair of columns from the US Capitol Building above it. Dated 1811 and it looks like it was held in the files of the Architect of the Capitol and transferred to the LoC later on.
Re: the model, hmm, yeah, Essex is always a possibility. I was thinking the same about the bank too.
Another random shot I found, a USN seaplane next to the 74-gun USS Granite State (ex-New Hampshire), along with the steam yacht USS Wasp (a training ship by this point). http://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/ggbain/20200/20238v.jpg
With USS United States, I'm also reminded of these two http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2012645377/ https://ussconstitutionmuseum.org/2016/06/14/federal-frigate-early-views-united-states/
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Talos got a reaction from RichardG in American sailing warships with no plans or records
I found those on the Library of Congress' website, under "Sloop Hornet". The entry here lists Benjamin Lathrobe as the architect for it.
Here is the entry. You can download a higher resolution TIFF there. http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/95860806/
I also found this model frigate held by a Seamen's Bank in New York City. Dunno what she's supposed to be. Too many ports to be HMS Cyane or USS Boston. Could be New York? The half-built-up bulwarks are interesting. EDIT: Here is the link. Could be British of course, but... https://www.loc.gov/item/gsc1994004940/PP/
5a23235u.tif
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Talos got a reaction from CaptArmstrong in American sailing warships with no plans or records
It's not one of the frigates that we were talking about earlier, but I ran into this nice drawing of Hornet's stern carvings just now.
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Talos got a reaction from CharlieZardoz in American sailing warships with no plans or records
I found those on the Library of Congress' website, under "Sloop Hornet". The entry here lists Benjamin Lathrobe as the architect for it.
Here is the entry. You can download a higher resolution TIFF there. http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/95860806/
I also found this model frigate held by a Seamen's Bank in New York City. Dunno what she's supposed to be. Too many ports to be HMS Cyane or USS Boston. Could be New York? The half-built-up bulwarks are interesting. EDIT: Here is the link. Could be British of course, but... https://www.loc.gov/item/gsc1994004940/PP/
5a23235u.tif
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Talos got a reaction from CaptArmstrong in American sailing warships with no plans or records
I found those on the Library of Congress' website, under "Sloop Hornet". The entry here lists Benjamin Lathrobe as the architect for it.
Here is the entry. You can download a higher resolution TIFF there. http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/95860806/
I also found this model frigate held by a Seamen's Bank in New York City. Dunno what she's supposed to be. Too many ports to be HMS Cyane or USS Boston. Could be New York? The half-built-up bulwarks are interesting. EDIT: Here is the link. Could be British of course, but... https://www.loc.gov/item/gsc1994004940/PP/
5a23235u.tif
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Talos got a reaction from Canute in American sailing warships with no plans or records
Yeah, he did. It's weird. I made this crop of the stern a while ago to illustrate something here and it still fits to repost.
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Talos got a reaction from Canute in American sailing warships with no plans or records
It's not one of the frigates that we were talking about earlier, but I ran into this nice drawing of Hornet's stern carvings just now.
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Talos got a reaction from Canute in American sailing warships with no plans or records
I found those on the Library of Congress' website, under "Sloop Hornet". The entry here lists Benjamin Lathrobe as the architect for it.
Here is the entry. You can download a higher resolution TIFF there. http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/95860806/
I also found this model frigate held by a Seamen's Bank in New York City. Dunno what she's supposed to be. Too many ports to be HMS Cyane or USS Boston. Could be New York? The half-built-up bulwarks are interesting. EDIT: Here is the link. Could be British of course, but... https://www.loc.gov/item/gsc1994004940/PP/
5a23235u.tif
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Talos got a reaction from CharlieZardoz in American sailing warships with no plans or records
It's not one of the frigates that we were talking about earlier, but I ran into this nice drawing of Hornet's stern carvings just now.
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Talos got a reaction from mtaylor in American sailing warships with no plans or records
Yeah, he did. It's weird. I made this crop of the stern a while ago to illustrate something here and it still fits to repost.
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Talos got a reaction from mtaylor in American sailing warships with no plans or records
It's not one of the frigates that we were talking about earlier, but I ran into this nice drawing of Hornet's stern carvings just now.
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Talos got a reaction from HIPEXEC in American sailing warships with no plans or records
It's not one of the frigates that we were talking about earlier, but I ran into this nice drawing of Hornet's stern carvings just now.
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Talos got a reaction from Canute in American sailing warships with no plans or records
Though not necessarily America, there is the proposed 74-gun ship of 1777, which might help, at least a starting point/inspiration.
Good luck, frolick! Stay safe!
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Talos got a reaction from mtaylor in American sailing warships with no plans or records
Though not necessarily America, there is the proposed 74-gun ship of 1777, which might help, at least a starting point/inspiration.
Good luck, frolick! Stay safe!
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Talos got a reaction from CharlieZardoz in American sailing warships with no plans or records
Though not necessarily America, there is the proposed 74-gun ship of 1777, which might help, at least a starting point/inspiration.
Good luck, frolick! Stay safe!
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Talos got a reaction from CaptainSteve in American sailing warships with no plans or records
If it had five windows, I imagine her reconstruction was likely based on Chapelle's.
Uploading a pair of redrawings I did recently, the proposed 74 from the Revolution. Interesting ship, size-wise she matches up with what the British would call the Large-class. Just for fun, and because I always thought they were interesting (I blame Gardiner's book on Frigates of the Napoleonic Wars), I did a hypothetical razee in that style. The bow and stern are taken from Franklin's "as-built" profile and I think they really capture the same feeling as HMS Saturn's razee. I also recently was reading Millions for Defense, about the subscription frigates, which has me thinking about Boston, John Adams, and ones we don't have plans for. I wonder what we're missing with those ships and which of the "unnamed" plans in Chapelle match up with them, if any.
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Talos got a reaction from mtaylor in American sailing warships with no plans or records
I would start with checking the book to see who painted it, title, etc and get in touch with the Maryland Historical Society listed there and see if they can help.
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Talos got a reaction from mtaylor in American sailing warships with no plans or records
Coincidentally, Albany is the only one of the 1840s 1st Class sloops/corvettes to have the same kind of flat stern as Constellation, so that makes sense. All the others had newer round sterns. She was also clipper-built and intended to be a bark, of course.
I was excited to recently find confirmation that the second frigate Macedonian was armed identically as Constellation, recieving 42cwt 32-pounders in the 1840s (and 32-pdr carronades! At least initially, rather than the smallest 32-pdr cannon). I had presumed that (since they were roughly in the 18-pdr weight class and made a good replacement), but I could never make sure it was that versus the 46cwt gun as Dahlgren wrote it was intended for "frigates of lesser rates". Looks like it was just limited to the old 24-pdr frigates like Constitution, United States, and maybe Java/Guerriere. Speaking of, I did notice in photographs that Constitution still has smaller gunports than Santee (also Macedonian hiding in the background as always). http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8T1xsEQev2c/UcGzfaoTBOI/AAAAAAAAAUA/mW3N5Czb0l8/s1600/School+ships.jpg
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Talos got a reaction from Canute in American sailing warships with no plans or records
I would start with checking the book to see who painted it, title, etc and get in touch with the Maryland Historical Society listed there and see if they can help.
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