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8th lot of my Pegasus buildlog......
 

note, the sternpost has been sanded down to half its width Prior to planking, so final width after planking and sanding is at average 4,5mm`, trust that the rudder shall later on be of this thicknness at it`s widest thickness
 

the 3 mm width planking of deck and walls are identical (3mm x 64=192mm in reality, seems realistic, being about 1,5 width of the sailors shoes). By the way, all Deck and wall planking edges are charcoaled by means of a soft pencil. This gives the tarline effect regarless to thickness even after sanding
 

allthough many wooden structural parts, the hull is of remarkable low weight and still stiff and rigid
 

selfexplaining view
 

view aftwards, now in foreground the sailroom has been added, behind are grating on hold hatch, Upper well housing and pantry. On starboard side traffic corridors, sailorcrew and marinesoldiers accomodations. Between upper well and pantry (here not visable) a staircase goes down to the cargo floor. This may be the main trafficway for fast Access from the filling room (under the waterline) via aft staircase in the intermediate deck up to the gundeck
 

same Features with view from top, aft
 

birds view intermediate deck nearly complete.......
 

the sailroom space seems to be limited, but could not be increased due to spaces between surrounding facilities
 

interior staircases fitted with railings to increase safety in battle and when ship is rolling
 

again intermediate naval inspection..., the officer means that in a far future a day will come, where even the stairs will have to equiped with handrails
 
 
at this Moment I have`nt made up my mind yet if I should apply coppering, White "Antifouling Appeal" that allows the plank and grain structure to be recognised, or nothing of both.
Would appreciate any fellow builders coments on this....

Section 7 of my Pegasus build-log......
 

 

 
here it can be seen that the Access when working from above is still reatively easy, even in scale 1:64
 

 

 
this is the first sample 6 pounder I put roughly together to check dimentions, positions. The best suitable gunbarrels and carriages I found at RB-Models Webshop. They provide even Little kits, every modellist shall modify anyhow..... here I fitted splints into the axises and brass hoops around the wheels, further improvement pending
 

 

 
the hight of gunbarrel passing through gunport hatch is OK straight away, the Barrels are 32 mm long (6 pounders)
at this stage ´m not quite sure if I should apply chemical blackening to the brass parts
 

 
from abone sight is given (portside) right down to keel and cargodeck floor
The portside gun supportbeam-rails have not been fitted Jet
 

looking aftwards we find the pantry established rear of the upper well Containment, in the foreground is a removable grating over the hold hatch in the intermediate deck. The opening shall be secured by a brass railing and left open later on
 
 

looking into the pantry room from above
 

this also gives an Impression of the single layer planking edge (appr. 1,3mm after sanding the outside

following Mark`s advice here are the continuing sections 6 and 7 of my Pegasus build-log
 

 
here at the sternplate there are horizontal openings, this is where I find Counter Position for placing the clamps during planking. Also when the decks are slipped in through the Frames from above, the deck can be pushed out rear to appr. 1/3 of ist length til the front part flushes into the correct Level. Then push back the deck bowwards
 

 

 
The naval inspector angerly does not approve cardboard interior.....
 
 

several bukheads have to be planked from both sides and equiped with vent openings in the 18 century type doors
 

 
the gratings are prefixed with Framework and then fitted into the appr. deck positions. Tight fit, so they need not permanently be glued in
 

 
I Chose for interior the natural Woods pine for decks and walls, mahagony for frames, buche(german Name)for pillars, boxwood for stairs
 

around the upper well area have to be carefull not to dammage the venetian Lamellen of the Containment
 

it must have been about 25 doors fixed in the total of the visual walls in corridors and side cabin rooms. Note that the portside interior has been left away to enable sight from above and exterior
 

one of the front bulkheads ( from the cargo deck floor to the intermediate deck above
 

I know this Looks a Little bit like Finnish Sauna, but it`s not too fancy, so the 18th century in Crew quarters sends greetings, and the Budget of the admiralty is running low, because most of it has been spent on the five swan class vessels Prior to this build

I finaly managed to get my first thread posted in this "scratch build logs in Progress" and under way.
This is comprising the Swan Class Sloop Pegasus not from the kit, but by Amati / Victory Models plan, recently purchased from an Italian models distributer Internet shop. I also bought the etched brass Panels which carefully soldered in multylayer mode provide splended, satisfying results in 3D optic Appeal.

For this model in 1:64 scale I have the intention to leave about 40 % of the port side Hull and decks unplanked, to scale the correct heights of all the decks and to fit the interior cabins and other operation facilities. Inspired by ways admiralty model displayed sight into the hull, the starboard side shall be completly tidy-planked in 1 layer structural planking. all frames are made from 10 layer ply in complete thickness of 5,5 mm. This allows to cut very filigrane and to keep the hight between decks to scalewise fit the tallness of the 1:64 crew. Appropriate to the stage of building I started to document all details in digitilised Fotos and would like to share these step by step with forum users / model builders showing interest. (more to follow)
 
So here she goes......
(inclusive the first 10 pics)






 
the Frames are taken from copies Templates out of  the plan and fixed to 5,5 mm thick 10 layer ply10 , the rest is done by good old jigsaw cutting out. Notice appr. 30mm hight space between the 4 decks


 
this base-board enables a straight twistfree build of the hull


 
the Frames are extreme light, stiff and stong enough to withstand bending of stringers planking


 
the 1:64 figures I used for Demonstration have 28mm hight this would be 1,79m in reality, presuming the 18th century seamen  were smaller in those days, one I would recomend to use 25mm figures this in reality would be 1,60m









 
forestanding pics should be self explaining, but notice that the bow and the keel beam is only supplementory. In order to avoid the time intensive rabet-cutting, the final bow- and keel wood beams shall be fitted after planking. This will give a clean and tidy look, as if the planking were fitted very precisely into actual rabets.

I am seeking for means to edit the pictures with text explainations but find no "Editor" button, nor a "full Editor" one, allthough the pics seem to be in this post post, who can kindly help ?
 
Reload...., so finally I think it works with the editing and text for zthe pics.
At this stage my sincere thanks to all fellow members and Moderators who gave assistance in pushing out the boat !
 
So here follows the second lot of the build log Pictures and explainations

 



the beginning of placing stringers and first planking
 


importent step. Integrate at two places into the keel Little brick looking brass wedges with female M4 threads. These take up the stand bolts, M4, and allow secure model Display on stand, for later rigging purposes etc.






 
self explaining pics, notice the sidewise fixed reinforcements at the wedge positions
 


inspection hatch in cargo deck floor, to enable Access to bilge area
 




two impressions of the bow area
 


birds view of the keel Stern area, the Little pillars supporting the next higher decks, are from RB Models, Internet shop, in Polen
 
 
 
This is presenting the third lot in my build log.......
 

planking of starboard side is well under way. It comprises a single layer of 5, 6, and 8mm planking 1,5mm thick strips pf nutwood. Sanding down the outer roughnesses leaves about at least 1 to1,2 mm remaining thickness.
 

cargo base deck is mounted. To answer the question how decks are placed into the hull? Pls note that they shall be slipped in from above. Is is easy because the deck is of 0,8mm ply and preplanked with 1 x 3 mm Planks. The shaping and Fitting is done from cardboard templates. Here the "shipyard baseplate" could allready be removed, as the lightweight hull is very riged and free of windings.
 

Sbd side planked except for a few Planks where I Need Access to the interior. for those who are missing the square Little oar outcuts, pls note theat These will be cut in later on when the inner bullwark is being planked. I have bee able to avoid any gram of putty on the entire hull, because that would desturb naturak wooden optic.
 



startet with "aft platform" room set up, but placed this on the cargo floor Level, even here the portside floor is open, right down to the keel
 











showing the aft wall with the filling room inspection window




 
here the lower well area including the shot locker, and visable the inspection hatch for the bilge
 
Notice !
for interested forum users / members / staff, pls. be advised that this build-log shall be requently updated by editing this thread. If there is a better way of doing so, pls advise
 
Nils
 
This presents the fourth lot of my Pegasus build-log........
 
 



aft section with mizzenmast footblock

 

upper well containment and outcut in intermediate deck for hold Access. Here either a safety railing shall be fitted or a grating (same grating size as on the gundeck in above place)
 

aft staircase and grating
 

Tower of upper and lower well and shotlocker
 



here is an early Impression of how the unplanked port outcut shall look like
 

eartly view on to intermediate deck from aft poopdeck
 

the naval inspector has no objections so far. in the foreground the additional beams can be seen that rest on the strigers at appr. 3mm below decklevel, to allow appr. compensation in hight. 
 
 

one of the shipyard workers has just finished the days cleanup. Here it very nicely can be seen the 10 layer ply of the Frames, even though the total Frame thickness is 5,5mm only
 




intermediate deck, ready for completing the interior operation rooms (use cardboard templates). Note that for better viewing from the outside, all the portside rooms shall be left away (will be crowded enough afterwards)
 
 
Here comes the fifth lot for my Pegasus build-log
 
 

view to the aft half
 



view to the bow section quarters on cargo floor
 

open port side, opening still to be reduced a bit
 

preplanking of rthe intermediate deck
 

view without the upper decks
 

storage and Crew quarters in bow area
 

 
  
the target was at this building stage, not to compete with the fabulous 1:48 scale "swan class Sloops" and their builders introduced in this forum in any way, but just to please myself for transferring own idias into humble modeling results and in scale 1:64
 
Nils

She is looking great mate   I love the contrast of the black against the maple,top choice buddy
 
Kind Regards
 
Nigel

Thank you very much Nils There is quite a lot of preliminary 'boring' stuff to do before I get to the exciting bits but it will all make the job easier in the long run
 
Kind Regards
 
Nigel

Just read through this and looks like you have set out to raise the bar as you always do.  i know I will enjoy following your progress
 
Jase

Just A Quick Photo Opportunity of where the Ballier stands at the moment..
 
The painting isn't  finished, it will meet the waterline later, which hasn't been drawn yet. 
 
I'll be trimming the Black Timber Piece (fashion Piece ??)  between the Gun Ports later.
 
I have sorted out the Inside areas, sanding etc, in readiness for laying the Deck and inner Bulwark Strakes.
 
Sail 'er Easy Folks
 
Eamonn
 

Nigel,
 
nice to see that you are challenging a beautiful 17 th century build, and all in scale 1/60. !
Together with your Initial introduction lines, giving the own set obligations, this is going to be a very ambitious Project but a wonderful repesentant of early shipbuilding art. I looked at your log to date up to page 5 and find it of highest interest for Close following...
 
Nils

Hi Nigel, I'm still not quite sure where you are going with this, but it all looks very impressive!

Looking forward to seeing your cunning plan Nigel (or should I say, Blackadder?)- I'll bet its so cunning, we could pin a tail on it and call it a fox.

As work is moving well on the construction of my Caroline build,preliminary work is now starting on my next'bill paying' project.This is based on the Euromodel kit,but it is my intention to push the boundaries of what can be achieved with a kit.I shall be using construction techniques for the hull that have been developed by myself,specifically for this build.The completed model shall include the following details;
1/hull planking in boxwood and ebony
2/hull planking omitted between the upper wales with false boxwood frames,this is a feature on quite a few Navy board models which I am quite fond of and an alternative from a fully framed build.
3/Full hull interior,lower gun deck upwards,with planking sections omitted on the upper decks for viewing the interior.
4/Remodelling of the stern to replicate the drawing by Van de Velde the Elder.
This project will be a 'slow burn' until Caroline is finished,but I am starting this log now to avoid missing anything as work progresses.I am trying to avoid starting another log with a planked hull  
Some photos to wet your appetite

The box,rather heavy,given it's size

Mordaunt by Van de Velde the elder
 
Kind Regards Nigel

I have decided to give myself a short break from the small fiddly stuff on my Caroline build and take up where I left off with this.I am continuing on with infilling the hull with limewood.The sections are cut from 20mm sheet.Not much to show,but work shall be continuing on over the next week or two.As I mentioned earlier the bulkheads have been altered to use 1.5mm single planking.The wales will be 3mm ebony,but I am considering splicing the planks at the waterline,ebony above and box below.I do not want to use holly or maple for the 'whitestuff' because I will already have pear,box and ebony and I personally feel that is enough colour variation,any more and it will be too much.
 
Kind Regards
 
Nigel

I have decided to give myself a short break from the small fiddly stuff on my Caroline build and take up where I left off with this.I am continuing on with infilling the hull with limewood.The sections are cut from 20mm sheet.Not much to show,but work shall be continuing on over the next week or two.As I mentioned earlier the bulkheads have been altered to use 1.5mm single planking.The wales will be 3mm ebony,but I am considering splicing the planks at the waterline,ebony above and box below.I do not want to use holly or maple for the 'whitestuff' because I will already have pear,box and ebony and I personally feel that is enough colour variation,any more and it will be too much.
 
Kind Regards
 
Nigel

Not outa the woods yet Bud, still have one more parcel on the way.. Ahhhh!!! restraining order on standby  
 
Eamonn

Excellent work mate!!You really have got the carving bug!
 
Kind Regards
 
Nigel

Good to hear mate   Postie no longer has to file that restraining order now  
 
Kind Regards
 
Nigel

Add this one to the "What are some mysteries that you are dying to know?" in Shore Leave.... I guess we won't really ever know.                      

Forget the test, I don't want to deal with Homeland Security, the local constabulary, or the ATF...
 
Rethinking this... the accounts do not say WHEN the gun bucked or jumped.  Was it while run out of the port?  During the actual recoil? Or at the end of the recoil?  
 
Logic would say near the end of the recoil.  On an English/American ship, the breeching runs from the casabel, down to the ring and then up to the ring on the bulwark.  So as the gun got to the end of it's recoil (or rope, literally) the rope would tighten and try to become straight from the casabel to the bulwark ring.  The net effect, the muzzle and front of the carriage would go up.

I do agree Chris and Nigel.  As I said, I'm reaching here.  I'm still wondering about the double-shotting, double-charging or even just the double-shotting, if that would do it.  And records do indicate that many times they double-shotted at close range.   Recoil, as has been pointed out is a function of windage, gun weight, shot weight, etc....
 
Hmm... I wonder where I can find a naval 32 pounder and carriage that I could borrow for some "testing"....???     We'd need some balls, powder, and a gun crew also.

Woo Hoo !! Deck Planking in the form of my Maple Timber arrived this morning.. brace yourselves for a bunch of Decking 'How Do I..' type questions.  I'm talking Nibbling the planks/edging (or is it 'Notching' Hmmm ) at the bow/stern sort of questions..
 
You Have Been Warned :mellow:  :mellow: :mellow:  
 
All The Best Folks
 
Eamonn

Ahhhh I have a cunning plan milord.. Classic Baldrick, we won't mention the 'Dream Turnip'  ..
 
Looking Forward to Your Solutions Nigel.
 
Take It Easy
 
Eamonn

Thanks buddy Really looking forward to doing it as it is a new challenge for me I have a very,very cunning plan up my sleeve(sorry for sounding like Blackadder   )to machine the ebony planking in situ to the waterline   All will be revealed when I get to that stage,but needless to say,she won't fit in the miller    
 
Kind Regards
 
Nigel

Thanks Nigel.. I think I have you now, especially when you mentioned the Ebony & Boxwood, I can picture the Wale dipping below the waterline but that its colouring is using Ebony to the W/L.
Looking forward to seeing this done !
 
Sail 'er Easy
 
Eamonn
First Plank Splicing & we're Painting With Wood Now.. think I'll pack it in and do something simple like Amateur Neurosurgery !!   

Cheers mate Now to try and explain what I mean     To my knowledge,Bill Short's Sovereign is the only model on this forum to use this technique so far.On Mordaunt the wales were black but so was the hull down to the waterline.Basically the black area is planked like normal in ebony,the waterline marked and the planking cut off to this line.Boxwood is then used below,however the individual plank runs must line up with each other.This gets more complicated on this build as a small section of the lower wale dips below the waterline.So there is also a section of wale to replace with boxwood.This is the extreme end of 'painting with wood'Hope this helps explain,just have a look a Bill's log if you aren't sure..
 
Kind Regards
 
Nigel