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This topic remains very informative!  I had not delved into the excavation and survey reports on the Colossus before.  They are quite interesting.
 
Of particular note concerning the "stop beam" (note that this is a term the research team coined) is the following analysis from the 2012 Monitoring and Investigation Report available here (page 38): http://www.cismas.org.uk/downloads.php
 
"Just below the gun port a curved timber beam was fastened to the side of the hull, over the inner hull planking (figs 24, 25 & 31). This timber has been assigned the name ‘stop beam’ and its likely function was for the gun carriage to bump against when the gun was pulled up into the firing position – rather than bumping against the inner hull planking. I have been unable to find any concordances for this structural element in any of the literature on ships of the period (or indeed on any sailing vessels). However, a similar wooden beam is known in 19th century terrestrial gun emplacements where it is called a hurter. The stated function of the hurter was to protect the parapet from the wheels of the gun carriage (OED). The stop beam is 1.40m long, 0.16m wide and 0.26m thick at its widest point. The surface of the beam is curved, presumably to facilitate aiming of the gun forward or astern of the beam. The stop beam is fastened to the hull using iron fastenings and trenails. On the underside of this beam (now facing north) were a number of incised lines, one of which consists of three parallel lines, resembling a Roman numeral ‘III’ (fig 32). These may represent builder’s marks – and would have been very difficult to see or access when the ship was upright. Incidentally, this is the third MGD port on the starboard side counting from the stern. The function of this piece of wood was presumably to protect the side of the ship from the impact of the gun carriage when pulled up into the firing position (fig 31). Whether stop beams are a peculiarity of Colossus or merely absent from the literature is not at this stage known – but I suspect the former case is more likely."
 
On a related note, I do not believe that, given the level of attention shown to documenting the survey, they ommitted the waterway, but rather it was not there.  Note the scupper that was located at deck level, which would have been covered were there a waterway (note - down is up n these photographs and the sketch.  That is, the deck is at the top and the upper deck is at the bottom). 
 

 

Hello! I figured I should post a little about myself as I am (somewhat) new to this form. I discovered this hobby about 3 years ago during the pandemic. I remember scrolling through YouTube, looking at the same old videos of plastic models being put together, when all of a sudden I found a video by John Aliprantis, "Santa Ana The Making Of," I watched it and immediately fell in love with the hobby (or should I say art) of wooden ship modeling. I then watched all of his videos and not after too long I ended up with Occre's Golden Hind kit. This was a HUGE mistake as a beginner as I had no idea what I was doing, there was then a brief period where I distanced myself from the hobby, I thought that this may not be for me and that I would have no resources to figure out how to construct these masterpieces. That is when I stumbled upon this form, it made a huge difference in my understanding of this hobby and I was able to power through the Golden Hind build, (though it wasn't pretty). I then took another gap before I decided to take a look at other brands, this is when I tried Artesania Latina with their HMS Endeavour's Longboat kit. This was a much better fit for me as it took what I learned with the Golden Hind and reinforced it. I finished Endeavour's Longboat today, after about a month and a half of work. The timing on this could not be better as it is believed they have found the actual HMS Endeavour just off the coast of Rhode Island a couple weeks ago. I decided to make an actual account on this form so that I could make a build log for my next build, (Drum-Roll.....) Artesania Latina's San Juan Nepomuceno... I know, I know, she's an old model, and she's plagued with many issues, but I have looked over many build logs and videos to learn from the mistakes of others. I want to make a build log that clears the air of any misconceptions with the model in case someone is hesitant to build it based off the reputation it's earned from the elite modelers. So that's why I am here... Anyways! A little about me. I live in the great state of Colorado, the great fourteeners peeking through my windows. History has always had a reserved spot in my heart. When I finish college I hope to work for the Smithsonian preserving my nations artifacts and history. Music has also always had a reserved spot in my heart too, I have played the French Horn for many years and I have also played the Bass guitar in Jazz Band, making it into the top bands wherever I have gone. I am set to preform in the Sydney Opera House, June 2024. I have experience making Plastic, Metal, Wood, and Paper models. There is not a single modeling style I have no experience in so if you have any questions let me know. I cannot wait to get started on my next build, which wont be for a little less than a month, but we will be there in no time. Thank you very much for reading, and I hope you all are having a great morning, afternoon, evening, etc. Thanks!

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As an integral part of the MAINSHEET initiative, one of our goals was to digitize the archived printed copies of The Log of Mystic Seaport for increased and broader public access. The Log ran from 1948-2004, and was included with a museum membership. At its height, the magazine was circulated to over 25,000 members. It included articles of interest on all things maritime, including shipbuilding, history, maritime society and justice, architecture, art, and even invasive species! It is a fabulous resource to remind us of who we are and where we came from as an institution. Please take some time to peruse some of the issues, and you will find that many of our current ideas have a long history. It is also a record and celebration of many of the great thinkers and experts who have come through MSM since the middle of the last century.
 
Paul has been working with volunteers and staff over the last two years to achieve this goal, and it has officially launched! Congratulations to Paul and his team!
 
NEW! All issues of the Log of Mystic Seaport are now available for download.
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The following post is from Mystic Seaport. I have no idea who Paul is...
 
As an integral part of the MAINSHEET initiative, one of our goals was to digitize the archived printed copies of The Log of Mystic Seaport for increased and broader public access. The Log ran from 1948-2004, and was included with a museum membership. At its height, the magazine was circulated to over 25,000 members. It included articles of interest on all things maritime, including shipbuilding, history, maritime society and justice, architecture, art, and even invasive species! It is a fabulous resource to remind us of who we are and where we came from as an institution. Please take some time to peruse some of the issues, and you will find that many of our current ideas have a long history. It is also a record and celebration of many of the great thinkers and experts who have come through MSM since the middle of the last century.
 
Paul has been working with volunteers and staff over the last two years to achieve this goal, and it has officially launched! Congratulations to Paul and his team!
 
NEW! All issues of the Log of Mystic Seaport are now available for download.
https://research.mysticseaport.org/indexes/log/
 

The following post is from Mystic Seaport. I have no idea who Paul is...
 
As an integral part of the MAINSHEET initiative, one of our goals was to digitize the archived printed copies of The Log of Mystic Seaport for increased and broader public access. The Log ran from 1948-2004, and was included with a museum membership. At its height, the magazine was circulated to over 25,000 members. It included articles of interest on all things maritime, including shipbuilding, history, maritime society and justice, architecture, art, and even invasive species! It is a fabulous resource to remind us of who we are and where we came from as an institution. Please take some time to peruse some of the issues, and you will find that many of our current ideas have a long history. It is also a record and celebration of many of the great thinkers and experts who have come through MSM since the middle of the last century.
 
Paul has been working with volunteers and staff over the last two years to achieve this goal, and it has officially launched! Congratulations to Paul and his team!
 
NEW! All issues of the Log of Mystic Seaport are now available for download.
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The following post is from Mystic Seaport. I have no idea who Paul is...
 
As an integral part of the MAINSHEET initiative, one of our goals was to digitize the archived printed copies of The Log of Mystic Seaport for increased and broader public access. The Log ran from 1948-2004, and was included with a museum membership. At its height, the magazine was circulated to over 25,000 members. It included articles of interest on all things maritime, including shipbuilding, history, maritime society and justice, architecture, art, and even invasive species! It is a fabulous resource to remind us of who we are and where we came from as an institution. Please take some time to peruse some of the issues, and you will find that many of our current ideas have a long history. It is also a record and celebration of many of the great thinkers and experts who have come through MSM since the middle of the last century.
 
Paul has been working with volunteers and staff over the last two years to achieve this goal, and it has officially launched! Congratulations to Paul and his team!
 
NEW! All issues of the Log of Mystic Seaport are now available for download.
https://research.mysticseaport.org/indexes/log/
 

The following post is from Mystic Seaport. I have no idea who Paul is...
 
As an integral part of the MAINSHEET initiative, one of our goals was to digitize the archived printed copies of The Log of Mystic Seaport for increased and broader public access. The Log ran from 1948-2004, and was included with a museum membership. At its height, the magazine was circulated to over 25,000 members. It included articles of interest on all things maritime, including shipbuilding, history, maritime society and justice, architecture, art, and even invasive species! It is a fabulous resource to remind us of who we are and where we came from as an institution. Please take some time to peruse some of the issues, and you will find that many of our current ideas have a long history. It is also a record and celebration of many of the great thinkers and experts who have come through MSM since the middle of the last century.
 
Paul has been working with volunteers and staff over the last two years to achieve this goal, and it has officially launched! Congratulations to Paul and his team!
 
NEW! All issues of the Log of Mystic Seaport are now available for download.
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The following post is from Mystic Seaport. I have no idea who Paul is...
 
As an integral part of the MAINSHEET initiative, one of our goals was to digitize the archived printed copies of The Log of Mystic Seaport for increased and broader public access. The Log ran from 1948-2004, and was included with a museum membership. At its height, the magazine was circulated to over 25,000 members. It included articles of interest on all things maritime, including shipbuilding, history, maritime society and justice, architecture, art, and even invasive species! It is a fabulous resource to remind us of who we are and where we came from as an institution. Please take some time to peruse some of the issues, and you will find that many of our current ideas have a long history. It is also a record and celebration of many of the great thinkers and experts who have come through MSM since the middle of the last century.
 
Paul has been working with volunteers and staff over the last two years to achieve this goal, and it has officially launched! Congratulations to Paul and his team!
 
NEW! All issues of the Log of Mystic Seaport are now available for download.
https://research.mysticseaport.org/indexes/log/
 

There's a nice series about the Titanic Inquiry which has been highlighted by the Society for Nautical Research as in the attached note from them. The podcasts recreating the evidence given by four survivors of the sinking are about 30 minutes each and very interesting indeed. In case you haven't heard them, they are strongly recommended.
 
Tony
 
==
The Titanic Enquiry 
 
The latest episodes of our award-winning podcast The Mariner's Mirror Podcast include a five-part series based on the British Titanic Enquiry.

An enormous project has been underway in America in recent years to transcribe both the British and American enquiries. To bring this work to a large audience we have dramatised a number of testimonies allowing our listeners to eavesdrop on the enquiry.

You can now hear directly from Lady Duff Gordon, a First Class passenger, and one of only two passengers interviewed at the inquiry (the other being her husband). Lady Duff Gordon was also one of only three women to give testimony. Along with her husband, she was also one of only two witnesses to actually request to be interviewed. Lady Duff Gordon’s perspective, therefore, is unusual and significant in many ways and makes for riveting listening, casting an entirely new light on the tragedy.

We also hear from we hear from Fred Barrett, a stoker from Liverpool. Fred had been tasked with extinguishing a fire and was in one of the boiler rooms when the collision happened. If you are interested in what happened in the bowels of the ship during the sinking his testimony is one of the very best.

Charles Lightoller, Titanic's second officer and the most senior officer to survive the disaster also gives evidence. Lightoller is a fascinating character. By the age of 21 he had survived a shipwreck, a cyclone and a shipboard fire. Lightoller was a major focus for both the British and American inquiries. During the Wreck Commissioner’s Enquiry, Lightoller was called to the stand three times over the same number of days and was asked 2951 questions. His testimony is greatly detailed and provides numerous fascinating glimpses into the disaster and its aftermath.

Finally we hear from Annie Robinson. Annie was a First Class Stewardess and one of only three women interviewed at the inquiry. She was asleep when Titanic collided with the iceberg - and this was the second time she had been on a vessel that had collided with an iceberg. Annie led her charges to safety and escaped herself but was troubled for the rest of her life by her experience and ultimately committed suicide by jumping overboard another vessel just two years later.

All episodes of the dramatised Titanic enquiry can be found here.

I imagine many of the members have already seen the videos and know the story how she was sunk by the British in 1708,  but for those who have not, this is an incredible find, worth billions of Euros/dollars in gold, silver, gems and relics.   In looking at the video, there looks to be some interesting things regarding Spanish ships of the San Jose era.   One that jumped out at me is the cannon.  There is no cascabel but rather an ornate loop.  Time mark 1:08, 1:46, and 2:20  show these very clearly.
Allan
https://www.mensjournal.com/news/colombia-holy-grail-of-shipwrecks-20-billion-treasure

Happening on this side of the pond too. Recently a official study showed that the much needed knowledge on historical wooden ships is not sufficiently available at the official organisation that certifies these older wooden ships. Resulting in safety certificates that should not have been issued, which in turn leads to accidents involvong heavy injuries or death….

The ELIE MARA  kit by Blue Jacket is based on the GRACE BAILEY schooner in the article.  The kit was reviewed here and in the NRJ.  The GRACE BAILEY has an interesting history going back to 1882.
 

Thanks Wayne,no need to be sorry and thanks for your answer. I get this all the time with foreign press articles,I just ignore and move on.
 
Dave  

Sorry about that - I tried to share one of the better articles (some were horrible, some inaccurate etc). Regrettably, nearly impossible for lay user to know the strange behaviors of websites across all browsers and possible blockers. In other words, it worked fine for me.
 
Basically, under calm conditions the mast snapped injuring 3 and killing one (a doctor from the local area). Incident occurred at end of 4 day cryise about 1 mile outside the breakwater. USCG along with local FD responded.
 

Try reading it via the link on a mobile phone. Worked fine for me.
 
Sad outcome.

Sorry about that - I tried to share one of the better articles (some were horrible, some inaccurate etc). Regrettably, nearly impossible for lay user to know the strange behaviors of websites across all browsers and possible blockers. In other words, it worked fine for me.
 
Basically, under calm conditions the mast snapped injuring 3 and killing one (a doctor from the local area). Incident occurred at end of 4 day cryise about 1 mile outside the breakwater. USCG along with local FD responded.
 

https://www.pressherald.com/2023/10/09/one-killed-3-injured-in-accident-aboard-the-schooner-grace-bailey/
 
 

https://www.pressherald.com/2023/10/09/one-killed-3-injured-in-accident-aboard-the-schooner-grace-bailey/
 
 

https://www.pressherald.com/2023/10/09/one-killed-3-injured-in-accident-aboard-the-schooner-grace-bailey/
 
 

https://www.pressherald.com/2023/10/09/one-killed-3-injured-in-accident-aboard-the-schooner-grace-bailey/
 
 

https://www.pressherald.com/2023/10/09/one-killed-3-injured-in-accident-aboard-the-schooner-grace-bailey/
 
 

From Falconer, 1780:

No mention of chains.
 
HTH,
Bruce
 

Look for David The Elements and Practice of Rigging And Seamanship, 1794  which can be found online. Not sure if that is in the version offered by the NRG.
 
Steel provides drawings showing the construction of "made" masts for different classes of ship.