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Where did you locate tgat last one from SNR? I've been looking for that for a couple of years!

There are scads of pdf docs out there, many of which have been scanned, then print on demand by various vendors. Most are reduced in size and carry all the blemishes of the original. There is a modern transcription of Deane by Laverty. I have many pdf versions from the 18th century - any in particular you are interested in?

I shall email you shortly. I hesitate to post as it remains under copyright. I saw one copy for sail in late 2019 but he did not include an asking price and I do not know if remains available.

FYI - I do not own the following book, however a source on another forum advises that the treatise is reprinted in the following: Kirsch, Peter. 1990. The Galleon: The Great Ships of the Armada Era. Annapolis, Md.: Naval Institute Press. http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002216432.

The scan I have is of the shipbuilding portion (pages 1-45, including one plan). Let me know if you would like me to send you a copy.

I only have part of it an individual scanned for me. I have not seen any full documents anywhere. Perhaps contact SNR directly to see if they have any copies.

Walter - I just came across your post. Thank you for the offer - the poor ol' Essex has been sitting on a shelf for the past 6 years. I still sometimes look at her longingly, but need to finish at least one other before I can brong her to the bench. Just haven't had musch motivation to put glue to wood the past several months.

Bob - I have his Master Shipwrights Secrets. It is a very well researched and detailed book. If not able to acquire his books, there is some information published to the interwebz: Endsor, R. 2005. “Notes: A Drawing of the Midship Bend of the Hampshire 1653. The Earliest Plan of a Known English Warship and the Story of Her Repairs.” The Mariner’s Mirror 91 (1): 67–100. https://doi.org/10.1080/00253359.2005.10656933. The Women of Restoration Deptford, Transactions of the Naval Dockyard Society, Volume 8, June 2012 The Van de Velde Paintings for the Royal Yacht Charlotte, article in Mariner’s Mirror, Vol 94, No 3, 2008 The Loss of Stirling Castle 1703, article in Mariner’s Mirror, Vol 90, No 1, 2004 https://www.richardendsor.co.uk/home/4539578529

Forgot this one! Miller, Thomas. 1667. The Complete Modellist Shewing the True and Exact Way of Raising the Model of Any Ship Or Vessel, Small Or Great, Either in Proportion, Or Out of Proportion ... Performed by Thomas Miller. W.G. http://archive.org/details/bub_gb__FCdAgS7HUoC.

As promised, here are a few resources on rigging of 17th Century vessels. I have tried to avoid duplicating anything from above. Bond, Henry. 1704. The Art of Apparelling and Fitting of Any Ship. http://echo.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/MPIWG:A09VZBVW. Davis, John. 1711. The Seaman’s Speculum, Or, Compleat Schoolmaster: Containing, the Most Ready and Exact Manner of Rigging of a Ship, After a More Easy Way Than Has Been Hitherto Practiced, Suited to the Capacity of Every Seaman, Tho’ He Knows Nothing of Numbers. Eben. Tracey. https://books.google.com/books?id=frZoPAAACAAJ Lees, James. 1984. The Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War, 1625-1860. 2nd rev. ed. Annapolis, Md: Naval Institute Press. Moore, Alan. 1912a. “Rigging in the Seventeenth Century.” The Mariner’s Mirror 2 (9): 267–74. https://doi.org/10.1080/00253359.1912.10654628. ———. 1912b. “Rigging in the Seventeenth Century.” The Mariner’s Mirror 2 (10): 301–8. https://doi.org/10.1080/00253359.1912.10654635. ———. 1913a. “Rigging in the Seventeenth Century.” The Mariner’s Mirror 3 (1): 7–13. https://doi.org/10.1080/00253359.1913.10654658. ———. 1913b. “Rigging in the Seventeenth Century.” The Mariner’s Mirror 3 (11): 328–36. https://doi.org/10.1080/00253359.1913.11006036. ———. 1914. “Seventeenth Century Rigging.” The Mariner’s Mirror 4 (8): 260–65. https://doi.org/10.1080/00253359.1914.10654826. Salisbury, William, and R. C Anderson, eds. 1958. A Treatise on Shipbuilding: And a Treatise on Rigging, Written about 1620-1625. Occasional Publication, No. 6. London: Society for Nautical Research. The Davis (1711) was reprinted by the NRG in 1985 (editted by Merrit Edson). I have a pdf copy, but for the life of me I can not recall from whence it came! Davis, John, and Merritt Edson. 1985. The Seaman’s Speculum, or Compleat School-Master. Bethesda, Md.: Nautical Research Guild. ISBN 978-0-9603456-1-8. See also this thread for some additional information. .

Seventeenth Century Rigging is an update (1955) to the 1927 Rigging of ships. Very similar content wise. Anderson was one of the authorities. Check the "Mariners Mirror" for some of his work.

Anderson is very good though a bit more of a narrative. Lees is also very good. For the time period of interest there aren't many other good modern works, and not that many contemporary works. I'll check my files tomorrow and see what I can find.

As my significantly better half (to refer to her as the Admiral would be a demotion of sorts) has noted, effective transcriptionating is as much as arte as a science. In some of her endeavors she has found that the same writer in the same paragraph can offer multiple spellings for the same word. The most pleasurable items to transcribe are those copied into a letterbook by clerks or scribes - they tended to have much cleaner script and few ink smears or scratchouts! As but one example, here is a page from Joshua Humphreys workbook - likely NOT written by a scribe but possibly by Humphreys. And here is one from the War Department Letterbook, copied into the book by a clerk.

It is indeed the same Bourne. He also had a few other interesting treatises over the years. Bourne, William. 1578a. A Booke Called the Treasure for Traveilers : Devided into Five Bookes or Partes, Contaynyng Very Necessary Matters, for All Sortes of Travailers, Eyther by Sea or by Lande. Imprinted at London : [By Thomas Dawson] for Thomas Woodcocke, dwelling in Paules Churchyarde, at the sygne of the blacke beare. http://archive.org/details/bookecalledtreas00bour. ———. 1578b. Inuentions or Deuises : Very Necessary for All Generalles and Captaines. http://echo.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/ECHOdocuView?url=%2Fmpiwg%2Fonline%2Fpermanent%2Flibrary%2FEK71UE84%2Findex.meta&viewMode=index&mode=texttool&viewLayer=extended. ———. 1601. A Regiment for the Sea. Contayning Very Necessarie Matters for All Sorts of Men and Trauailers: Whereunto Is Added an Hydrographicall Discourse Touching the Fiue Seuerall Passages into Cattay. Written by William Borne. Newly Corrected and Amended by Tho. Hood, D. in Physicke, Who Hath Added a New Regiment for the Yeare 1600, and Three Yeares Following, and a Table of Declination. Whereunto Is Also Adioyned The Mariners Guide, with a Perfect Sea Carde by the Said Thomas Hood. Printed by T. Wight. http://brbl-dl.library.yale.edu/vufind/Record/3444832. Bourne, William. 1587. The Arte of Shooting in Great Ordnaunce Contayning Very Necessary Matters for All Sortes of Seruitoures Eyther by Sea or by Lande. https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=eebo;idno=A16508.0001.001.

That's a good start. Any particular style of model or time period? While older, you may also want to look into books by Charles Davis or Underhill.