flying_dutchman2

Someone on MSW1 was doing a cardboard version of her, and liked to have some pics of the scroll-work, as the work as build, differs from the work as drawn.)

I followed that built.  Amazing work

Marc

Sorry to disappoint you:

1. the kit-manufacterer in the Maritime museum has gone out of business

2. the Hoving book is just sold-out in new, so you have to go for the second-hand version. (mind you, there are some ridiculous prices being asked....)

3. Valkenisse and Zeehaan are about 150 years apart. The system of the rigging is comparable, but there is certainly no one-to-one correspondence...

 

Utrecht is a nice ship: I once made a couple of pics of the 'real thing': https://picasaweb.google.com/101597346346552139735/UtrechtsStatenjacht#

(mainly details, as someone on MSW1 was doing a cardboard version of her, and liked to have some pics of the scroll-work, as the work as build, differs from the work as drawn.)

 

Jan

Jan;

Thank you for all the information and I know about the kit-manufacturer.

I will hunt down Hoving's book.

Marc

Hey Marc, thanks for looking in and your encouraging comments. Flying Dutchman 2 eh?  Are you a pilot also? That's what many folks in the past labeled me, I used to fix them, design repairs for them and flew them.  The title kinda stuck.  Besides coming to the USA way back in 1957 from the Netherlands.

In any case, yes, I love these ships, they had character and made a tiny nation the greatest seapower in the world before England overtook them.  

The Valkenisse, beautiful ship and like to see you get started on that project.  How soon?

 

Cheers,

Piet

I enjoy reading anything VOC.  I've done some kits  from botter's, tjalk, and boeier's.  There is a Dutch wood kits manufacturer at the Maritime museum in Amsterdam. Finishing up the Royal Mary (from Mamoli) and starting to work on the Utrecht.  Have both books from that one from Seawatch books.  So the Utrect comes first to get a taste of scratch building.

For me doing something like your boat would be very advanced, but I will get to that.

The Valkenisse is something I need to study and I like to add masts, rigging and sails.  So I need to do further research on similar boats from that era for that.  Seems the book from Hoving on the boats from Abel Tasman (Heemskerck and Zeehahn) have similar rigging.  As far as I can search the Net, this book is not available.  So next year when I go visit my mother in Amsterdam I will purchase the Dutch version among the many other things boat wise I will be getting.

Yes, the Dutch ruled the naval world and it was all about "business", that is why we were welcome in Japan and several other Asian nations, because we were not trying to convert the locals to a religion, like the Portugeese and the Spanish.

Regards,

Marc

Awesome, beautiful lines, I always enjoy seeing a model from a VOC ship.

I am probably going to look into this plan and will put it on my future built list.

Thank you for making my DAY.

mARC

I have both books and like them. Though I think there is a major problem with the latter. Why on Earth are the plans drawn in 1:48 when the first one's plans are in 1:50 ???

Janos

 I so agree with this statement.  I created the frames both in 1:48 and 1:50 in paper templates and one of each on top of each other.  Very little difference.

Marc

I bought them both last on the 23 and am now waiting to get my hands on them.  Have patience, have patience.

David dgbot@att.net

That I must have otherwise I would not be building any boats.

Marc

I ordered this book after I saw it from Bob Filipowski.  Next year when I go visit my mother in Amsterdam, I am planning to visit the Rijksmuseum as well as the Maritime museum in Amsterdam.  Last time I was there naval areas were both closed and being renovated.

Marc

I have the book by A. Hoving and C. Emke and ordered the book by Gib as well.  The book by Gib takes a long time to be delivered. So far it has been 2 weeks. Furthermore, I find it rediculous that I have to pay double shipping as I have ordered the book 'Message in a model" as well.  So if I purchase 3 books one has to pay triple shipping.

Once I have the book by Gib M. I will be making this model as my first scratch build.  Will not show the insides of the boat, but will add sails.

Marc

Best if the ratlines are left until the standing rigging is finally tensioned.  I know that this leaves a lot of ratlines to do in one hit, but you have a better chance of ending up with better looking rigging.

 

John

I do this as well. Yes, lots of lines all over the place but I can adjust accordingly.  Also once I have all the shrouds in place I add a drop of clear nail polish.  Once dry you won't even see it.

Marc

Beautifull, great detail, excellent work.

Marcus

I use progeCad 2013 ($400.00) Pro which is powered by the IntelliCAD 7 Engine.  I used AutoCAD in the past at work but for personal use I wasn't going to pay an arm and a leg for that.  progeCAD is a great replacement for AutoCAD and AutoCAD LT.

Bentley-Microstation is a bit overkill and at around $5000.00

Great list, thanks.

Marc

It is on my book list.  Seawatch has some of the best books available.  I have 2 from them.

I bought the kit from Constructo. This Constructo kit has lots of extra material, excellent CAD drawings and a color picture book with step by step instructions. Traded the model for a crown with my dentist.

Marc

Beautiful. Your details on the boat such as the chairs and the table, the doors with hinges and all the other details are awesome. Love the VOC boats and anything else from that era.  Couple of months ago I bought a book from Seawatch books, "Retourschip the Valkenisse"  I plan to build that.

Marc

This thread is AWESOME. I am drooling all over the details. The frames, the individual cabins, the masts, to name a few drawings.  I do a lot of landscape design and use a 3D app. to make it look real for the customer (which by then it sells it self).  But your work and creativity is just beautiful.

Thank you for sharing.

Marcus