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    Rob, your revisions are definitely getting Glory's form in the right direction. It's amazing how a simple -7 degree incline of her prow below waterline has improved her look and made her more recognizable. Naval Hood and Carved Arch still need refinement; like my sketch, her figurehead is too low and too small. As usual with this incredibly challenging project "the devil's in the details." I suspect by nailing down accurate dimensions of the Naval Hoods and Carved Arch, which now looks to be 8' relative to her 7 1/2' figurehead, the rest of the specs will fall in line much easier. I've included a series of Glory on the Ways, the clearest I've seen (you can actually count the strakes on it). It's also probably the best image of her undamaged figurehead. The 1900s image clearly shows how she does project beyond the Naval Hoods as does the newspaper clipping. A couple more sketches show how I'm attempting to keep both sides of her accurate. Last image is still probably the best approximation so far and it too still doesn't project far enough.
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    On the plus side, it looks like this little sketch captures her graceful attitude fairly accurately. Her front gown clutched in the left hand appears to create a reverse "S" curve popular in many 1900s vessels. That too needs to be added.
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    To aid in efforts to get these components more accurate, I took out the intense blue and then cropped the components. Another issue I noticed is the figurehead's flowing gown should be much thinner by half.
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    Thanks for the compliment. This particular sketch, done on a post-it note was while I was waiting in the car. Both Naval Hood and Carved Arch look accurate but Glory's Goddess Figurehead is way too small in proportion to those other devices. In comparison, she should be at least a 1/3rd bigger. Doing that would scale down the exaggerated distance of the Naval Hood, which you're observing. The Anchor hole is also ridiculously tiny in this sketch as well. The Cutwater should also be a complete arc right up to the scroll base of her figurehead. You're welcome to rescale the dimensions, if you want.
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    Rob while you're doing that, might I suggest using the 22' distance from keel to waterline to measure height above to get that dimension too? It can also be confirmed by using her 90" figurehead as a 2nd reference.
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    Rob, that's excellent news! Perhaps our member Tony Hunt can get this info to Ron Haug quicker, since he lives nearby, as he just told us. Our images can easily be converted to pdf files and emailed to him. He can then bring his laptop to a local printer and deliver them to mr Haug. What do you think?
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    Rob, It occurred to me that I didn't answer your question about very precise angles you've accomplished by drawing digital plot lines directly onto the image. The parabaloid is a possible effect of drawing a circle on an angle due to perspective compensation. If you drew a separate circle on the 90 degree angle, my guess is it wouldn't match Glory's curved Bow. Completing the arc to a full circle and overlaying the rest of a box around it, I believe you'd get your answer, that it's actually a circle on an angle. That would mean Glory's bow is the 57 degree section of a circle. Another fascinating development is that this circle actually extends right to the foot of her figurehead, instead of straightening out, which I initially thought. Compare her forlorn Bow sans figurehead in later a broadside image, it confirms that design feature. I think we can also now feel confident that Glory's underwater Bow profile is not straight but more accurately a -7 degree minimally bowed line to her keel. I believe we may have unearthed a key component in being able to finally arrive at Glory's true form.
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    Attempt to attach a pdf file was blocked. Simply typing in the url address failed too. If given an accurate e-mail address, this will work. I have successfully sent many pdf files to my local print shop to enlarge images as well as print those images in larger formats up to Ledger size not supported by my in home printer.
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    Tony Hunt, Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you're volunteering to be Michael Mjelde's and this group's "digital mailman" so to speak. Theoretically, we should be able to attach pdf files to this site. You can then bring them to Ron Haug (from what I've read, Australia is pretty much Coronavirus free compared to the petri dish that is America). Here's a trial run. See if you can open this pdf file. It's "In Bound from Bellingham, 'Glory of the Seas' at San Pedro, 1907" 20180920_184241.jpg.pdf
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    Rob, This view demonstrates how sharp Glory's entrance really was. It explains how she was able to complete a very credible 96 day passage from New York to San Francisco. Her extreme list to Port is clearly visible. A factor which has to be taken into consideration when observing her beached from Starboard Broadside viewpoint.
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    Arina, I sent an email to your dad and will let you know his reply. Thanks again for both of your generosity!
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    TheAuthorsDaughter Arina please thank your dad for me, on his gracious willingness to share his contact info with us. FYI since to me at least this is the best broadside view of her intact Hull, today I emailed the research team at Puget Sound Maritime Hstorical Society to get specifics on how to secure a better copy of "Glory of the Seas" at San Pedro, 1907, PSMHS No 1028-5
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    Rob, Great mathematical work! So it appears that starting just below the 2nd Bobstay Chain, Glory's Bow is almost a straight time, with just the most imperceptible curve forward, down to her keel at -7 degrees of vertical. It should be possible to accurately calculate length of her Naval Hoods from her Bow, based on the fact we know her Goddess Figurehead is 90" using angle of inclination. By carefully reconstructing these dimensions, it should be possible to confidently rebuild her dimensions, leading to a very accurate Hull.
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    Rob, Thanks for the excerpt of Michael Mjelde's email to you. It's amazing, he started researching Glory about 64 years ago! That's a lifetime of dedication to this unique vessel. Just imagine the documents that must be in his posession. Maybe someday he'll open a museum of his own. He mentioned that Ron Haug has done work on other McKay Clippers. Since Ron's from Down Under, an educated guess would be those vessels which served Oz "Lightning" "James Baines" "Champion of the Seas" and "Donald McKay." Possibly also "City of Adelaide" currently under restoration and "Red Jacket" which also brought Immigrants to Australia. It would be immensely enjoyable to see Ron's work on other Clippers but for now, I'm going to keep focused on getting "Glory of the Seas" right, once and for all. While Mr Mjelde is absolutely right that artist's works are subjective, to the degree we can compensate for perspective distortion, photographic evidence is more reliable. I agree too Rob, that her gunwales are much higher than 6 1/2' based on interior Main Deck level photo. Adding in 3 moldings 6" each brings that height to 8'. 6" molding below 5' Main deck wall 6" molding above, 18" Monkey Rail with 6" molding on top. I cropped the Alaskan Inlet image, brightened it up a little to reveal Glory's details and compared it to original. Then to give better comparison to the San Pedro shot, the last image is reversed. Prow and Stern are more clearly visible but she's stern down making her Bow angle appear more verticle. Adjusting her position to level would correct this. Additional factory structures unfortunately mar her original graceful sheer.
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    Rob, Thanks for the excerpt of Michael Mjelde's email to you. It's amazing, he started researching Glory about 64 years ago! That's a lifetime of dedication to this unique vessel. Just imagine the documents that must be in his posession. Maybe someday he'll open a museum of his own. He mentioned that Ron Haug has done work on other McKay Clippers. Since Ron's from Down Under, an educated guess would be those vessels which served Oz "Lightning" "James Baines" "Champion of the Seas" and "Donald McKay." Possibly also "City of Adelaide" currently under restoration and "Red Jacket" which also brought Immigrants to Australia. It would be immensely enjoyable to see Ron's work on other Clippers but for now, I'm going to keep focused on getting "Glory of the Seas" right, once and for all. While Mr Mjelde is absolutely right that artist's works are subjective, to the degree we can compensate for perspective distortion, photographic evidence is more reliable. I agree too Rob, that her gunwales are much higher than 6 1/2' based on interior Main Deck level photo. Adding in 3 moldings 6" each brings that height to 8'. 6" molding below 5' Main deck wall 6" molding above, 18" Monkey Rail with 6" molding on top.
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    "Conquerors of Cape Horn, Clippers Glory of the Seas with Young America in Background. 1879" Carl G Evers, American Artist One of my favorite depictions of Glory, very atmospheric showing both vessels fully laden plowing through heavy seas.
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    "Glory of the Seas off Fort Mason" & "Glory of the Seas off the Farralon Islands, 1912" both by American Artist William A Coulter It's clearly apparent from the paintings of both contemporary artist who were able to view this Clipper Ship in person that she had a very deep Hull, much deeper than later Maine built deepwater "Down Easters." "The American Clipper Glory of the Seas" Henry Scott, British Artist
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    "Glory of the Seas off Fort Mason" & "Glory of the Seas off the Farralon Islands, 1912" both by American Artist William A Coulter It's clearly apparent from the paintings of both contemporary artist who were able to view this Clipper Ship in person that she had a very deep Hull, much deeper than later Maine built deepwater "Down Easters."
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    The American Clipper "Glory of the Seas" off of the South Stack, Anglessey" British Artist Charles J Waldron Originally in posession of one of the owners of the Clipper Ship. For accuracy, not one of my favorites, ironically due to the Bow being too elongated, Bowsprit steeve to low. She's depicted as originally launched, before her Wheelhouse was lenghtened.

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