jpalmer1970

Work has been continuing on the aft cant frames. I completed and installed the remaining three frames, frames AC5, AC6 and AC7. Next comes the rather daunting job of failing the insides of the frames. I note that @Stuntflyer marked the shape of the first square frame on the face of AC7 to give him an idea of where the guideline for fairing needs to be and so I think I will copy suit and do the same. I'll fair one side first rather than tackling them both at the same time. I have a range of shapes of soft sanders which I hope will help with the job. I also have a set of riffler files but I haven't used them before and am hesitant about whether they may be suitable?

Just a quick update today. I have been continuing work on the aft cant frames, albeit somewhat slowly. I followed the same process as before to make aft cant frames 3 and 4. These were then glued to the keel and small spacer blocks fitted between them and aft cant frame 3 to keep everything secure and supported. I'm endeavouring to keep everything as equal and consistent and symmetrical as possible so hopefully that is working. I have also cut out the pieces required for the remaining three aft cant frames - 5, 6 and 7. Once these have been made and installed I plan to do some limited fairing whilst access to the inside of the frames is still fairly easy.

Hello, I have been progressing with my work with the aft cant frames. Following the helpful advice received above I marked out the bevel line on the rear of frame AC 1 and took off some of the excess wood prior to installing the frame. I was careful to keep well away from the line so that there was still enough wood left there to allow for a proper fairing of the frame further down the track. Before I could install frame AC 1 to the keel I firstly needed to cut a notch into it so that it could fit correctly to the wing transom. A small section of the rear portion of the frame was removed with chisels so that it would fit around the wing transom at the correct angle. I then sanded the foot of the frame to the 17.5 degrees using my disc sander and its adjustable table. I was then able to glue the frame sections to the keel using a variety of squares and clamps to ensure it was vertical and was in the correct position. Frame AC 2 was a much simpler affair and was also glued to the keel after the foot had been sanded to 14 degrees. I used some offcuts of wood to make small wedges to fit at the top of frame to hold them more securely in place at this stage but these will be removed later in the build. The frames have also been left too tall for the present and will be reduced to their correct heights once they are all in place.

Thanks for the advice. I'll carefully take some of the excess off the rear of frame AC 1 before attaching it to the keel.

Merry Christmas everyone!! I hope you all had a great holiday. I was excited to start on the next step of the build - working on the frames. David's book suggests working on the aft cant frames first of all and so this is what I have done. All of the frames for the Hayling Hoy are doubled frames with simple butt joints between the futtocks and top timbers. There are seven aft cant frames in total and they are made from either 8" or 9" stock. As this is my first foray into frame making I decided to start off by simply using up two small pieces of spare stock which was thicknessed to 8" and 9" and these were just large enough to allow me to glue on the templates for the eight pieces needed for aft cant frame 1 (AC 1) and the eight pieces for aft cant frame 2 (AC 2). The aft side of AC 1 is made up from 9" stock whilst the fore side of that frame is 8". Both sides for AC 2 are 8". The templates were cut out from the stock just a little oversize with the scroll saw. I glued together the parts for AC 1 on a flat board on which the paper pattern was placed. I was then able to use the spindle sander to finesse the shape of the frames to just a fraction oversized. Due to the shape of the hull the rear part of AC 1 will need to be faired to quite an extent and the final shape of the aft edge of the frame is helpful provided on the pattern. At this time though I haven't made any attempt to pre fair that edge - I'm not sure if this is something that will be easier to do once the frame is in place on the keel or not? Do you think I should make a start on that before affixing the frame perhaps? Obviously each cant frame sits at a slightly different angle to the keel and the foot of AC 1 needs to be cut at 17.5 degrees. I think it will be easiest to set this angle on the table sander and shape the foot that way. I think I will make frame AC 2 and then get both of these frames fixed to the keel before I make the parts needed for the remaining cant frames. Any advice you have on framing would be most welcome!

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Hi folks, Apologies for the delay since my last update but I have had a couple of weeks away from the bench after having a minor operation. I am now back on the build and have spent the last couple of weeks working on the fashion pieces. This was fairly tricky delicate work for me so I thought it best to wait until I had everything in place before making this update. I spent a lot of time making sure I had the wing transom square and level and even as any mistakes here would affect much of the rest of the build. I also undertook a fair amount of work on the fashion pieces before I glued the wing transom in place. On the underneath of the port side of the wing transom two scores need to made into which the uprights of the timber port will later sit and of course these scores need to be made before the wing transom is glued to the sternpost. According to David's instructions, the fashion pieces are 9" thick but are actually formed out of two layers of wood. This first layer is 6" thick and sits flush with the aft side of the wing transom. Later in the build a 3" thick section will be added to the rear of the fashion pieces and this will help form the rabbets for the transom and hull planking. I read the instructions several times but for some reason I still managed to make my initial shapes for the two fashion pieces out of 9" thick wood! Luckily it was easy to thin these down to the correct thickness when I realised my mistake. Shaping and beveled each fashion piece to sit flush with the underneath of the wing transom and slot into the notches on the sternpost was quite a job for me but I took everything very slowly and only removed the smallest pieces of material each time until I was satisfied with the fit. Using a variety of squares and levels and clamps I was able to place the wing transom correctly and this was glued and pinned in place. The starboard fashion piece was then glued to the sternpost and wing transom. I really couldn't figure out a good way to clamp these odd shaped pieces together so I had to resort to just holding it in place for a minute or two whilst the pva set. The two uprights which form the vertical sides of the timber port were then cut from 6'' square stock. The top of each upright was then beveled to match the angle of the underside of the wing transom. The port fashion piece is made up from two sections of material, the main piece itself and then a triangular piece with forms the horizontal lower sill of the timber port. Two scores were also cut in this lower sill for the the bases of the two uprights. The port fashion piece was then glued to the sternpost and the wing transom and then the two uprights for the timber port were slotted and glued into place. I tried very hard to get my cuts and joins as clean and neat as possible but I did find that there were one or two very small areas where I had the tiniest gaps - as you can see with the bottom of the timber port uprights above. I will mix up some dilute pva and sawdust and fill these in and hopefully they will blend away when I give the fashion pieces a quick sand in the next day or two. I am trying to be as clean and accurate as I can with my work but at the same time I am aware of a delicate balancing act between ambition and skill - I'd like everything to be perfect but I also have to appreciate my limitations and sometimes you just simply know that your attempt is as good as it is going to get! I left plenty of excess wood on the outer edges of the fashion pieces to give me lots of room for fairing in the correct lines when the hull is eventually faired.

Great work Daniel. This is a very impressive document constructed from an interesting and wide range of sources!

Further work has been undertaken with the wing transom. Firstly, two holes were drilled in the wing transom so that it could be pinned to the sternpost and held in a fixed position whilst I worked out where the ends of the piece needed to be. The wing transom was also held square and level with some set up blocks and then the correct positions of the end points were marked on it by measuring against some squares on the plan. The ends of the wing transom were then cut to length and shaped correctly. the next step was yo cut the notched in the top of the wing transom where the counter timbers sit. I firstly tried to do this with the mill but I struggled to find a good way to hold the piece securely in the correct orientation and rather than risk messing it up at this stage I decided it was easier to mark out the notches with chisels and remove the required depth of wood that way. The four notched for the counter timbers and the other notches either end of the wing transom were made in this way. Here is the wing transom in place. It has not yet been fixed to the sternpost as I want to get a little further ahead with the making of the fashion pieces first as they slot into the sides of the sternpost and I feel it will be easier to make those joints without the wing transom in situ. So far I have thicknesses a section of wood from which the two fashion pieces are to be made. The outlines of these were then traced and roughly cut out with the scroll saw. Shaping these will be the next stage of work.

Hello and welcome 👋

Hi Belco, I sent you a private message. I hope it helps.

I think the video is of the new kit but to be honest if it shows how to do the rigging then that would be the best way to find out what is required - the plans for the older kit don't really give a great deal of guidance. I have the plans for the old kit so I will see if I can get any photos for you.

I have been working on the wing transom for the past couple of weeks. This is a complex shaped piece that is 15" deep fore to aft and 10" in height. However, the ends of the piece are set 4.5" below the centre point and so I started off with a blank piece 18" square and slightly longer than the transom in length. The fore face of the transom is also slightly lower than the aft side and neither of them are perpendicular to the keel and and so it was firstly necessary to shape my rectangular bank into a sort of parallelogram shape (there is probably a better geometric term for this but it is a long time since my schooldays 😃). I shaped the angle on the top and bottom faces of the piece with the disk sander which left me with the image below. The line on the end face shown above represents where the top edge of end of the wing transom will be once a convex curve is sanded into the top face. Sanding the convex curve on the top face and a matching concave curve on the bottom face of the wing transom provided to be a tricky exercise. I initially attempted to do this with the spindle sander holding the piece freehand and whilst this worked for the convex face I made a mess of shaping the concave face as I simply couldn't maintain the same angle across the whole of the piece. I spent some time wondering how to achieve this before I realised that the answer lay in the helpful build log by @Stuntflyer. In his log Mike showed that he fixed the wing transom to a block before sanding this curve - when I first read this many months ago I simply presumed that this was to make holding the thin piece of wood easier but then a lightbulb went on and I realised that by gluing the wing transom to the block so that the face of the piece was vertical, it was then possible to sand a straight and consistency face as either a convex or concave curve. Using a second blank for another attempt (I had made four blanks when cutting the 18" square pieces as I knew I wouldn't get it right first time!) I again sanded in the angle on the top and bottom faces and then glued the piece to a small waste block with PVA so that I could sand in the convex curve on the top of the wing transom. After shaping the convex curve on top of the piece I wet the glue joint to dissolve the PVA, flipped the wing transom around and re-glued it so that I could then sand the concave curve into the bottom face. I then needed to thin the fore and aft thickness of the wing transom by 3'' and set the angle of those two faces. This was done on the disk sander and brought me to this stage below. I think the next step will be to temporarily drill and pin the wing transom to the sternpost so that I can establish that it is square and level. I can then determine where the outer ends of the wing transom need to be so that it can be cut to length.

I also agree that trying some sort of mock up is a great idea before you commit. With my board the dimensions mostly relate to the size of the squares I made to use in the t tracks. I wanted the squares to be able to reach the centreline so they could hold the sternpost etc. The t tracks also then needed to be far enough away from the outside of the hull for the squares to be used outside the hull also. Eventually I will make a gantry with uprights the same thickness as the squares. I then left plenty of space outside the t track so the base of the squares could sit safely on the board. My board isn't going to be transported about but I think it is a good idea to have as large as board as you can manage to transport. Good luck with the build.

Congratulations, excellent work!