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  1. I have been away for a time due to personal issues but I am back. I had a bit of trouble with my first appearance in this site. I am hoping my introduction will go better this time. Rather than type a lot of detail about me, I will refer you to my website. My website was created with this site introduction in mind. I am very new here but hope to get some assistance. My website is: www.dogholeschooners.com The site should answer most questions. And I do live north of the San Francisco Bay near Ft. Ross and well north of Bodega Bay. I am attempting to create an accurate model of what is called a west coast "doghole schooner". But since there are NO known drawings I will use many photos especially of beached schooners showing hull details. I do have an accurate (40 foot) sloop model drawings - the model was made about 1880. If I use the sloop model and a half model of a very large part time doghole schooner, which is part of the San Francisco National Maritime Museum collection, I should be able to create a model in the 75 foot range - about half way between the models I can access. The half model from which the "Maid" was built is gave us the real schooner which is 110 feet in length. The "Maid" looks something like the attached photos she was an all purpose schooner and was mostly used to carry lumber and later is he life was a cod and salmon fishing boat used in Alaska. My good full ship view cropped.bmp
  2. Ccoyle,


    Hello and thank you for your suggestions on identifying the HP Howland and your reference to a builder involved with a  Mathew Turner creation. I lived in Benicia for a time and I was so amazed more importance is not given to Turner there - at least. I believe Mr. Mathew Turner made a profound contribution to sailing and sailing technology!


    It was my mistake to link "real" northern California to Silicone Valley. I lived in the Bay Area for most of my life. All the companies I worked with were from places like Palo Alto, Mountain View, etc. Business people would ask me where I was from when I was traveling, which quite very often, and I got tired of explaining where Palo Also was so I simply said "silicone valley" and they were OK.


    I moved to my present location well north of the "valley" just to get away from it.


    I am deeply interested in "dogholers" just because they appear to be completely lost to time and the crew and their boats are seemingly gone forever. Many of their boats were the fastest of the time with drafts of 5 feet or less - amazing! It is a similar problem to Turner documentation except turner's work was so much more important.





    1. ccoyle


      Being from Humboldt, I was more interested in the Bendixsen yard ships, but of course it is the pretty much the same story there -- yard is long gone and largely forgotten, no plans were ever drawn up, only builder's half-hulls that were lost when the yard shut down. Only CA Thayer is left. Considering their historical significance, I would really like to see more of these ships, both in the kit world and possibly as a sailing replica. Not holding my breath, though.


      I was raised in Fortuna and most recently lived in Mariposa (we moved around a lot, so I also lived in Campbell, Santa Rosa, Eureka, Rio Dell, Los Angeles, Pasadena, Pomona, and Upland), so Palo Alto is like a huge metropolis in comparison. I usually have to tell people that Fortuna is where the big redwoods are (nods of comprehension from the audience) and Mariposa is near Yosemite -- that suffices to give them an idea of where I'm talking about.




  3. Bob,


    Thank you very much for offering a new approach to finding the reason for the model I showed (HP Howland) in my introduction. Your sources will be extremely helpful since we seem to have exhausted every net source we could think of.  The research department at the museum also ran out of ideas so a new path is welcome to them also.



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