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Plank length
Don Case replied to Don Case's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Thanks for all the answers. A follow-up. What about the shortest? Three frames? -
Plank length
Don Case replied to Don Case's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
20-25" is just what I was looking for. A good ballpark figure. So a 1:96 plank will be about 3-4" long? A 1:48, twice that? -
Is there a maximum normal length for planks? On a model you can go from stem to stern with one plank but in real life I doubt if you'd find that many 100' planks.
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Are there some basic rules that I can use to choose a wood? Like SG and Janka hardness? Is it preferred to use the natural color or is staining an accepted choice? No grain seems to be an obvious choice. I can get Yellow cedar easily but it's very oily and I wonder if it would stain well. I'm seriously considering Hazel as it seems very similar in workability to yellow cedar but isn't oily. it takes a stain very well. I also have a lot of it😃 I could also get Red Alder as that's what most woodpiles are around here.
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Thanks I bookmarked that. I remember there was a website that had a bunch of "How they actually did it way back". The rules of the trade. Joins on a plank had to be two frames apart. That kind of stuff. Does that ring a bell??
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I was hunting for planking info on the web and kept seeing this book pop up. It looked familiar. I went looking under the pile of books on my bedside table and found it under 20 years of newer hobby books. Is it still considered a good source of info?
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It's the 1789 I'm interested in. There's also a few paintings out there.
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I can understand all your concerns and agree with them BUT🙂. If you can only accurately build ship of which you have the original plans it limits what you can build. Take the Discovery for example. I can get print of the original deck plan and the side view(can't remember what that's called) so I could build a model that would be a fair representation of the original. There must already be hundreds of them. How would you label the model to indicate that it was approximate? Just as an aside when I was building the Cecily I was looking for a rigging drawing and was told that they didn't include rigging in the original plans because "everyone knew how to rig a ship". I have no idea how true this is but if it is then all the model ships out there have guesswork rigging. Just thinking out loud here.🙂
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Good post. I like the sentiment that if it's not accurate don't put a name on it. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most ships members of a "class". If that is the case how close can you get by choosing the lines of another ship from the same class. I see on this page Vancouver Maritime Museum : File : HMS <i>Discovery</i> [VMM50.14.02] (vmmcollections.com) that the Bounty, Discovery and Endeavour are sort of listed together. Am I reading this wrong or are these from the same class. If the ships were built in the same shipyard from the same plans then I would assume that the hull lines would be the same. Maybe the deck layout would be different but I know I can get deck plans and profile drawings. I obviously I don't know what I'm talking about but I can see a small opportunity here. I've since discovered that the Bounty and Discovery were not related at all so this part of this post is moot.
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I just found that the Vancouver(canada)Maritime Museum has some drawings. I have e-mailed them.
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Our posts must have crossed. I suppose that if there is no body plan available then I could use any body plan within reason and no one could call me wrong. As long as the deck plan and the outboard profile fit could I use the body plan from the Leopard and squint a bit. Maybe use another ship from the 1700's.
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I just found a few images of "Discovery 1789" on NMM. Discovery (1789) - National Maritime Museum (rmg.co.uk) Are they enough to build the ship? There doesn't seem to be a drawing of the frames(I can't remember what it's called.) Oh, is there a glossary on this site? There is a bit of a learning curve to navigate around here.
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Believe it or not I'm a Canuck that doesn't care about hockey (or any other sports for that matter) but I do remember hearing of the Salmon Kings. When I set up the thickness planer again I'll take some pictures. I picked the Leopard because I have the book. I would rather do the "Discovery", Capt George Vancouver's ship as It has been within a couple of miles of where I'm sitting when he explored the coast. I just don't know how to get the plans. I've searched with no luck.
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Frame spacing
Don Case replied to Don Case's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
You can see one of my builds on my introductory post. I'm no stranger to POF. It's just the little nuances I'm missing. -
Thanks Guys
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I'm cautiously thinking of scratch building the "Leopard" as I have the book and plans. I've noticed on YouTube builds that on some builds the frames are very close together, it looks like 3 frames are their own width apart and then there is a slightly larger gap and then another set of three. then I've seen some builds where the frames are much further apart. Is there a standard? I seem to remember a site from 20 years ago that explained how the construction was done. Does anyone know if it still exists? Maybe a link? The drawings in Rif's book also show a section of planking just below the gun pots that is joggled(if that's the right term). Am I seeing that right? I have a bunch of Hazel logs that I was going to use for bows. Is Hazel a decent ship building wood? I also have Pacific Dogwood, Pacific Crabapple, Yew, Ocean Spray. Viburnum, Juniper, all air dried. Sorry about all the questions but I am a prolific question asker. Thanks in advance.
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My name is Don and I've decided to finally build a ship. In 2000 I took up R/C sailboat racing (IOM's) and did that for 14 years. In that period I build about 6-7 design IOM designs so I have some experience with bulkhead and plank type builds. I also made a scale model of the "Cecily". A schooner that was built in about 1903 to go after the Olimpic medal. I will post pics if wanted after I figure out how🙂. I also made a gaff rigged clinker skiff. In that period I bought a copy of "The 50 Gun Ship". In 2013 I lost interest in IOM racing. ( I had to drive 200 miles every weekend to find people to race with) and took up archery. I made 80 or so wooden bows and then got tired of that last year. So here we are in 2021 and I'm looking for something to keep me busy. I'm 73, I live on Vancouver Island, British Columbia. I have a table saw of sorts, a metal lathe/milling machine, drill press and a band saw. I have made an attachment for the lathe that functions as a thickness sander. I also made a small 4" table saw from an old grinder and scrap aluminum channel for cutting planks. I think I have all the tools I need. I did a search on the "Leopard" and ended up on toms10's thread so I decided to sign up.
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