Lou van Wijhe

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Giancarlo

Nils,
 
Do you use a primer on the metal parts before applying the final paint?
 
Lou

Build log part 23
 
 
 

some more impressions on the mast work
 

 

 

 

soldering the jackstays to the jib boom
 

 
 

some paint to the masts and beginning with the upper shrouds
 

 
 

some of the Yards tackled with blocks
 

Yard rack and bearing device
 
 
 
Build log part 24 to follow.....
 
Nils

First stage of second inside bulwark done
 

Glenn
 
I have made quite good experience in using copper-tape as David is describing, and using a poncewheel as you mentioned, and it conforms to the hulls curves very well. If you do the copper stripes in a way of e.g. 4 or 5 "resembled plates" at a time. (length of stripes) you should be finished before you are old.
And a Major Advantage is you are not Messing around with CA, ruining your fingertips...., because of well sticking tape instead.
The ponced copper surface can be flattend off a bit afterwards, before the tape strips are put on.
Have a look below and see what I mean
 
Nils
 

 

 

Bugra,
upon your request, here a short intercourse and self explaining use of the plate marking tool.
By the way, I use this method on all model hulls that are of rivited structure, only the tooth modul sizes differ acc. to the appr. scale Chosen. The holders for the toothwheels are made from old paintbrushes that would go to the bin otherwise.
 
Cheers
 
Nils
 
 

different wheel (toothsizes, and toothnumbers, also requires a semi soft rubber plate underneath and of course the precut plate
 

(turn around the plate, so the protection foil is up....
 

use a metal ruler, or like here a masons tool, leave plate edge free
 

the roller tool, use Dremel with circle sawblade to cut in the two circular grooves for obtaining 3 toothrows instead of one
 

press tight down the roller tool and move swiftly Forward in one move. Same time press down the ruler
 

looking at the marked edge from the rear side
 

looking at the result of the rivit resembling, (here 3-row riviting)
 

remove the protection foil, Keep the gluefilm side free from dust and debris
 
 
Happy exercising and good success
 
Nils

bit of a lapse in my posts due to a big week at work but finally got the deck down!
this was my first attempt at "jogging" the timber also the 52413 spacing.
the final product turned out pretty good, the jogging was fun fitting it in place, but some of my spacing did get a bit wayward :S not too noticeable seeing its only really on two lines and will mostly be hidden with the wardroom.
 
Also a question about peoples preferences on deck sealing, swaying towards just a satin coat as is but i have heard wax could also be the way to go, opinions?  
 

I'll follow your build log with great interest, Nils! The P-liners were very impressive ships.
 
Lou

Sailing ship, fourmast-barque PAMIR in scale 1:96


Introduction to this build log, by Nils Langemann


For modeling one of the famous “Flying P-Liners” of the last century, my choice fell on the PAMIR because that ship probably would be supported with most available information one can get in the appropriate media. Much has been written about the various owners, the crews,the routes, etc, and all this illustrated on the web, in literature, reports, photos, paintings and models in all qualities and scales, without here considering many various very good moulded plastic kit models.

Most of all was reported about the tragic loss in Sept. 1957 when the hurricane “Carrie” called for its tribute. 80 of 86 crew members, mostly young men, lost their lives after their ship had finally capsized and sank within minutes, southwest of the Azores islands of the Atlantic, this causing the to date largest and most intensive post WW2 international coordinated search and rescue operation in the civil marine history. Trust the older MSW members still remember the news-clips and film reports of the 6 wounded roughbeaten survivers and their pictures as they told their story, after being rescued from their broken lifeboat wreck-hulks and after several days ongoing struggle for life.

Most of the available plans for modeling the 1905 at Blohm an Voss built and launched Pamir, as well as many models exhibited in worldwide museums show the Pamir in all versions as she looked like before 1951, several changes in paint and slight modifications, acc. To the owner and nations and to suit its owners cooperate identity appeal had been made.

I was looking for an authentic plan of the version after the major changes at the Howaltswerke- Deutsche Werft, Kiel in northern Germany in years 1951 /1952, and after which the ship was under the Hamburg based subsiduary of shipping company Zerssen & Co, whereby the homeport was Lübeck. A couple of german shipping companies founded an association that together with Zerssen as the ship relevant managing part, enabled the training of young civil nautical and sailor-handcraft in a win-win situation for both trainees and shipping companies. The old well known Laeisz colour of the P-liners had been chosen again, and the ship, still being a trade cargo vessel under sails routed to South American ports around the Cape Hoorn performed many trips. At the same time the Passat, (today still afloat as Museumship in Travemünde near Lübeck, Germany) was also changed and appointed for same further activities.
The plan of performed changes was available and purchased from the Howaltswerke shipyard, and for the Frame/ Bulkhead plan I found authentic original Blohm and Voss drawings in a book of Hamburgs sailing ships 1795-1945, Author Jürgen Meyer. This model took me two years to build, and it is comprising about 1950 manhours modeling. More about design, preparing for the build, construction as well as information on the model will be given along with the Build log sequences as they are posted….
The already completed model 1:96, length 119,5 cm, can be viewed in my album, topic “Gallery of completed scratch built models”, Pamir 4-mast barque version as 1957

For all that also love these wonderfull squarerigger tallships, enjyoy and stay tuned to the build log….

Nils


I ca`nt realy say today how many log-parts in total it will take, it depends on how much interest the fellow MSW members shall have as to the extension of the individual build sequences. If the interest should be like it was with the Heinrich Kayser build log, it probably would be the "whole program"

Nils


here we go....

Build log part 1


I am lucky to have my own hobby-room office


These are pics of the proud and sturdy built Pamir which hundreds of nautic Trainees may have in good rememberance




in Sept 1957 came the shocking flash-News of the foundering of the ship, and also over the to date greatest post WW2 search and rescue Operation in civil marine history.
This frightning realistic pencil drawing by Artist Franz Richter Johnsen I feel is so emotional touching. It is showing the Pamir in its agony just before capsizing (masts down) and thereafter to sink within minutes. That was an indication that the hull must have been broken, otherwise it would certainly have stayed afloat some hours, even in that illfated position, and the S&R Groups could have made her out better


I was often asked what plan-drawings I had for doing this project, and would like to bring attention to two very informative books... (I am in no way associated with the authors or its Distribution)
There is first : Hamburgs Segelschiffe 1795-1945, author, Jürgen Meyer, can be found preferably at book antiquariates
it contains amoungst many other beautiful Tallships, copies of original Blohm + Voss Pamir plans.


The Basic Frame / bulkheadplan was used for my model


There is second : a relatively new publication, Die Letzten Flying P-liner, by Andreas Gondesen, who I consider as one of the best knowledgeable authors of the famous P-Liners, their History, as well as pointing out the differences between Pamirs several "Sister" ships, hardly known to the public.
The great benefit of this book is the wonderful accurate detailed large plan in poster Formate of the Pamir in scale 1:100, that comes along included with the publication. (it is representing the Version before 1951 though), but never the less a must for Pamir modelers


outcut from Gondesens Pamir plan


many handscetches had been made by myself, here only some examples


for those of you who know how good the extruded quality and precision of the Heller plastic Pamir kit and its moulds are in scale 1:150, I took the measurements for the various deckhousings from a wrecked plastic torso I found in a bin, and magnified these ratings to scale 1:96
Whoever does not know the Heller kit, please be advised, it is representing the precise Pamir Version of 1951 /1952 in top quality, but on a high skill Level

Together with a plan comprising all the changes to the Pamir from Howaltswerke Deutsche Werft in Kiel, I was ready to get my project under steam at last......


Build log part 2 to follow...

ROFL !
 
Lou

ROFL !
 
Lou

Nenad,
 
Wooden decks were never painted, it would make them dangerously slippery. The colour aspect changes whether deck planks are dry or wet, going from grayish when dry to dark brown when wet. Of course, you can give the deck any colour you like, it's your ship!
 
Lou

Nenad,
 
The wooden decks themselves were never painted. Only the metal waterways (like other iron parts) were painted with a red/brown oxide paint, which was originally covered with cement (thus grayish coloured). In 1994 the cement was removed from the waterways in order to allow shotblasting of waterways and bulwarks before repairs were carried out. It was then decided to keep the waterways painted, and not to re-cement them. I don't know if they still have this red/brown paint on them but personally I like this colour better than gray.
 
Lou

The dimension of the bulwark plates are 10'8" x 40" x 1/2" and they are riveted to the inboard side of the sheer strake. The butts of the plates are internally strapped and the upper edges of the bulwarks are stiffened by a 4" x 4" angle iron, which also support the main rail.
 
The dimensions of and spacing between the rivets can only be estimated from the numerous pictures available.
 
Hope this helps.
Lou

And the ones that do not want to step back (like me) never advance...
 
Lou

Daniel
 
I do not think about your post as hijack. One of the things I enjoy in this hobby is just imagination about days of sail
Yesterday I let Her majesty to rest from me, and have watched some clips on YouTube about stormy sea (strong wind, waves were about 20m from down to the top, maybe more) and just like to think about how it was on these days...
 
Imagine you are sailor, deep night in heavy storm on such a waves somewhere around Horn, and Cap order you to go up on mast to do something with ropes and sails. You see and hear anything, try to walk on deck hearing only water posts banging trying to release enormous amount of water from deck, only can touch and recognize by sense where you are going. Strong wind try to blow you up from rope stairs until you climb, everything is wet and slippery, cold and frozen, mast moves from left to right, fore and aft in strong angles trying to oust everything what is on, and you are up somewhere standing on some tiny rope 15m above deck, your legs tremble with the effort to keep balance, your arms stiff by pain in trying to keep yourself as near as possible to mast, trying with your frozen fingers to tie or untie some knot, or to grapple with wild beast of sail hint near you which unbridley wraps around you and hit you as wind hit her. You still see anything, wet to bones, with water sprayed directly in face and immediately freezes, and you know if you do not do what you need to do, you and your mates probably would not survive storm. And you know that night is long, and have no idea how many more times this scene will repeat. You can give up, go to jail, and be unloaded in first harbour, but than your 3-5 kids will die in hunger
 
To be more realistic, remember that sheet happens. Ropes broke, blocks and dead-eyes go to hell, and you must reconstruct them without delay, with released mast which wildly dangling around. Must is broken and ropes are hopelessly intricate ... Still night, still storm, still cold and wet ...  
 
And always keep in mind, that whole world trade and traffic, politic and development, and  complete History of man kind more than 2000 years go only in this way, until steam boats arrive
 
Impressive, when look at things on this way
 



 
PS
 
I hope my English is understandable, and the picture is quite clear

Nenad,
 
The hull planks are not all the same length, the length varies between 27'6" and 36'. In contrast to ships with wooden frames, the plank ends are not fixed to the frames but to a butt plate between them. There are about 36 strakes of planking per side, the planks being 10" wide. This is straight from the horse's mouth.
 
Lou

Surely a magnetic one.
 
Lou

Surely a magnetic one.
 
Lou

Surely a magnetic one.
 
Lou

Omar,
 
Should you like to tease yourself with even more details, I have collected some here. Happy reading (and modeling)!
 
Lou

Nenad,
 
I did originally start a build log. It was lost during the database crash we experienced some time ago and due to other time-consuming hobbies I didn't come to reconstructing it yet. Besides, I haven't got much new material to show and a build log should have some progress (like yours!) to keep it interesting. It shouldn't be a never-ending story like Peyton Place (my contemporaries will know what Peyton Place was...).
 
Lou

Nenad,
 
I did originally start a build log. It was lost during the database crash we experienced some time ago and due to other time-consuming hobbies I didn't come to reconstructing it yet. Besides, I haven't got much new material to show and a build log should have some progress (like yours!) to keep it interesting. It shouldn't be a never-ending story like Peyton Place (my contemporaries will know what Peyton Place was...).
 
Lou

Bob,
 
I think that somewhere you must stop looking for the ultimate truth. Ships change over time and some things cannot be ascertained any more. However, the Cutty Sark's former captain, Simon T. Waite, compiled a list of changes to the ship's fabric during the years which may be of some help. From the introduction:
 
This document summarises the known history of the fabric of Cutty Sark, culled principally from the ship’s logs and survey reports. It draws substantially on research undertaken by the former master of the ship, Captain Simon Waite, with additional research by the Trust’s Research Assistant, Simon Schofield.
 
You can download the document from here.
 
Lou

Bob,
 
I think that somewhere you must stop looking for the ultimate truth. Ships change over time and some things cannot be ascertained any more. However, the Cutty Sark's former captain, Simon T. Waite, compiled a list of changes to the ship's fabric during the years which may be of some help. From the introduction:
 
This document summarises the known history of the fabric of Cutty Sark, culled principally from the ship’s logs and survey reports. It draws substantially on research undertaken by the former master of the ship, Captain Simon Waite, with additional research by the Trust’s Research Assistant, Simon Schofield.
 
You can download the document from here.
 
Lou