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Roger, thanks for the lead.  It is good to see another picture of the M. Olwill.  My picture, taken the day before she sank, does not have that third mast on the cargo deck. The stern house matches the photo and I now have a side view of the pilot house. I also painted the hull the same color the artist did. Good guess on my part. 
Thanks again, and have a great Thanksgiving.

Roger, thanks for the lead.  It is good to see another picture of the M. Olwill.  My picture, taken the day before she sank, does not have that third mast on the cargo deck. The stern house matches the photo and I now have a side view of the pilot house. I also painted the hull the same color the artist did. Good guess on my part. 
Thanks again, and have a great Thanksgiving.

Roger, thanks for the lead.  It is good to see another picture of the M. Olwill.  My picture, taken the day before she sank, does not have that third mast on the cargo deck. The stern house matches the photo and I now have a side view of the pilot house. I also painted the hull the same color the artist did. Good guess on my part. 
Thanks again, and have a great Thanksgiving.

Roger, checked the personnel records at Bowling Green State University, Historical Collections of the Great Lakes and found the following:
Pellet, ???; Mansfield, 1899
Historical Collections of the Great Lakes Personnel Pellet, ??? Pellet, ???; Mansfield, 1899 Record
Name
Pellet, ???; Mansfield, 1899
Person Record For
Pellet, ???
Position
Position Date
1867-00-00
Position
Captain
Vessel
Vessel Name
KING SISTERS
Vessel Type
schooner
Source
Source
Mansfield, 1899
Source Date
1899-00-00
 
There is no listed as Pellett. The record shows an individual, last name Pellet, was found in a Mansfield source in 1899 that was a captain of a schooner "King Sisters" in 1867.
Checked the research of C. Patrick Labadie at Alpena County George N. Fletcher Public Library and found that history of the schooner "King Sisters"
1862 Enrolled Toledo.
1863 Owned Lyon & Sherman, Cleveland, OH.
1863, Aug Damaged cargo.
1866 Owned L.L. Lyon, Cleveland.
1866, Jun Collision, Straits of Mackinac.
1868 Readmeasured 286.75 gross tons, official number US14039.
1869, Oct Dismasted, Lake Erie.
1871 Owned Mrs. L.L. Lyon, Cleveland; repaired, new deck.
1871, Jul Collision with bark MONITOR, St. Mary's River.
1871, Aug 24 Aground Point Pelee, Lake Erie with schooner DELAWARE.
1874 Repaired.
1874, Aug Aground False Presqu'Isle, Lake Huron with pig iron.
1876 Owned Burgess, Cleveland.
1879 Owned Lyon Estate, Cleveland.
1881 Extensive repairs, new keel, stem, stern post, rudder, planking, new running gear.
1884, Oct 19 Wrecked, Lake Erie.
The schooner "King Sisters" was built for the King Brothers, Toledo, by Smith and Rogers, Toledo. She wrecked on Gull Island Sholl, was an island north of Sandusky  and the Marblehead Peninsula 120 years ago and is now submerged.
 
 

"For every cargo that can be conceivably be carried  aboard ship there is what’s called a “stowage factor” that lists the volume required by one ton of cargo.  The principal American Great Lakes cargo was and still is iron ore.  In the early 1900’s, coal was a secondary cargo, loaded when the opportunity presented to avoid returning back up the Lakes in ballast.  The stowage factor for iron ore, a very heavy cargo, is about 20 cu ft per ton.  When hauling iron ore the ship would be considered to be fully loaded well before her holds were full.  Sacrificing hold volume for bunker space, therefore, did not affect the carrying capacity for vessels built to haul iron ore."
 
Roger, I am building the Great Lakes steam barge Margaret Olwill. She ran between Cleveland and Kelly's Island on Lake Erie hauling crushed limestone from the island's quarry's. Built in 1887, 175'7" x 35' x 10.2'; 542 grt, she sank in a storm returning to Cleveland, June 28, 1899, with a loss of 8 lives. The wreck was discovered in 2017 8 miles out from the port of Lorain.  My question has to do with her cargo. The write-up state she loaded 300 tons into her hold and had another 600 tons on her deck. How would I compute the actual "Stowage Factor" for her?

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Roger, checked the personnel records at Bowling Green State University, Historical Collections of the Great Lakes and found the following:
Pellet, ???; Mansfield, 1899
Historical Collections of the Great Lakes Personnel Pellet, ??? Pellet, ???; Mansfield, 1899 Record
Name
Pellet, ???; Mansfield, 1899
Person Record For
Pellet, ???
Position
Position Date
1867-00-00
Position
Captain
Vessel
Vessel Name
KING SISTERS
Vessel Type
schooner
Source
Source
Mansfield, 1899
Source Date
1899-00-00
 
There is no listed as Pellett. The record shows an individual, last name Pellet, was found in a Mansfield source in 1899 that was a captain of a schooner "King Sisters" in 1867.
Checked the research of C. Patrick Labadie at Alpena County George N. Fletcher Public Library and found that history of the schooner "King Sisters"
1862 Enrolled Toledo.
1863 Owned Lyon & Sherman, Cleveland, OH.
1863, Aug Damaged cargo.
1866 Owned L.L. Lyon, Cleveland.
1866, Jun Collision, Straits of Mackinac.
1868 Readmeasured 286.75 gross tons, official number US14039.
1869, Oct Dismasted, Lake Erie.
1871 Owned Mrs. L.L. Lyon, Cleveland; repaired, new deck.
1871, Jul Collision with bark MONITOR, St. Mary's River.
1871, Aug 24 Aground Point Pelee, Lake Erie with schooner DELAWARE.
1874 Repaired.
1874, Aug Aground False Presqu'Isle, Lake Huron with pig iron.
1876 Owned Burgess, Cleveland.
1879 Owned Lyon Estate, Cleveland.
1881 Extensive repairs, new keel, stem, stern post, rudder, planking, new running gear.
1884, Oct 19 Wrecked, Lake Erie.
The schooner "King Sisters" was built for the King Brothers, Toledo, by Smith and Rogers, Toledo. She wrecked on Gull Island Sholl, was an island north of Sandusky  and the Marblehead Peninsula 120 years ago and is now submerged.
 
 

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Roger, checked the personnel records at Bowling Green State University, Historical Collections of the Great Lakes and found the following:
Pellet, ???; Mansfield, 1899
Historical Collections of the Great Lakes Personnel Pellet, ??? Pellet, ???; Mansfield, 1899 Record
Name
Pellet, ???; Mansfield, 1899
Person Record For
Pellet, ???
Position
Position Date
1867-00-00
Position
Captain
Vessel
Vessel Name
KING SISTERS
Vessel Type
schooner
Source
Source
Mansfield, 1899
Source Date
1899-00-00
 
There is no listed as Pellett. The record shows an individual, last name Pellet, was found in a Mansfield source in 1899 that was a captain of a schooner "King Sisters" in 1867.
Checked the research of C. Patrick Labadie at Alpena County George N. Fletcher Public Library and found that history of the schooner "King Sisters"
1862 Enrolled Toledo.
1863 Owned Lyon & Sherman, Cleveland, OH.
1863, Aug Damaged cargo.
1866 Owned L.L. Lyon, Cleveland.
1866, Jun Collision, Straits of Mackinac.
1868 Readmeasured 286.75 gross tons, official number US14039.
1869, Oct Dismasted, Lake Erie.
1871 Owned Mrs. L.L. Lyon, Cleveland; repaired, new deck.
1871, Jul Collision with bark MONITOR, St. Mary's River.
1871, Aug 24 Aground Point Pelee, Lake Erie with schooner DELAWARE.
1874 Repaired.
1874, Aug Aground False Presqu'Isle, Lake Huron with pig iron.
1876 Owned Burgess, Cleveland.
1879 Owned Lyon Estate, Cleveland.
1881 Extensive repairs, new keel, stem, stern post, rudder, planking, new running gear.
1884, Oct 19 Wrecked, Lake Erie.
The schooner "King Sisters" was built for the King Brothers, Toledo, by Smith and Rogers, Toledo. She wrecked on Gull Island Sholl, was an island north of Sandusky  and the Marblehead Peninsula 120 years ago and is now submerged.
 
 

"For every cargo that can be conceivably be carried  aboard ship there is what’s called a “stowage factor” that lists the volume required by one ton of cargo.  The principal American Great Lakes cargo was and still is iron ore.  In the early 1900’s, coal was a secondary cargo, loaded when the opportunity presented to avoid returning back up the Lakes in ballast.  The stowage factor for iron ore, a very heavy cargo, is about 20 cu ft per ton.  When hauling iron ore the ship would be considered to be fully loaded well before her holds were full.  Sacrificing hold volume for bunker space, therefore, did not affect the carrying capacity for vessels built to haul iron ore."
 
Roger, I am building the Great Lakes steam barge Margaret Olwill. She ran between Cleveland and Kelly's Island on Lake Erie hauling crushed limestone from the island's quarry's. Built in 1887, 175'7" x 35' x 10.2'; 542 grt, she sank in a storm returning to Cleveland, June 28, 1899, with a loss of 8 lives. The wreck was discovered in 2017 8 miles out from the port of Lorain.  My question has to do with her cargo. The write-up state she loaded 300 tons into her hold and had another 600 tons on her deck. How would I compute the actual "Stowage Factor" for her?

"For every cargo that can be conceivably be carried  aboard ship there is what’s called a “stowage factor” that lists the volume required by one ton of cargo.  The principal American Great Lakes cargo was and still is iron ore.  In the early 1900’s, coal was a secondary cargo, loaded when the opportunity presented to avoid returning back up the Lakes in ballast.  The stowage factor for iron ore, a very heavy cargo, is about 20 cu ft per ton.  When hauling iron ore the ship would be considered to be fully loaded well before her holds were full.  Sacrificing hold volume for bunker space, therefore, did not affect the carrying capacity for vessels built to haul iron ore."
 
Roger, I am building the Great Lakes steam barge Margaret Olwill. She ran between Cleveland and Kelly's Island on Lake Erie hauling crushed limestone from the island's quarry's. Built in 1887, 175'7" x 35' x 10.2'; 542 grt, she sank in a storm returning to Cleveland, June 28, 1899, with a loss of 8 lives. The wreck was discovered in 2017 8 miles out from the port of Lorain.  My question has to do with her cargo. The write-up state she loaded 300 tons into her hold and had another 600 tons on her deck. How would I compute the actual "Stowage Factor" for her?

Sean, it has been a long two years. We will restart in-person meetings at the Westerville Library, Saturday, September 18th, 2021. Will be doing a joint Zoom/In-person session. We gather at 9 AM and the meeting starts at 9:30. If you cannot make our meeting but would like to join on Zoom, send me your email address to shipwright@wowway.com.  You can also go to our home page at shipwrightsofohio.com and click on the meeting heading at the top of the page, which should connect you to our "green Room" on Zoom. 

Roger, interesting blog. The CD file of the American Ship Building (ASB) Drawings were an outcome of a three year project that a member of our ship modeling club and I did at the Inland seas Museum, Vermilion.  ASB donated all their ships drawings, including their predecessors, to Bowling Green State University (BGSU), Great Lakes Historical Society and the Dossin museum in Detroit. Prior to distributing the plans, BGSU microfilmed all the plans and has them on file. Those plans covered a period from 1867 - 1920. They released that catalog in 1988, and I do not think it has been reprinted. When we completed our work, we also contacted all the maritime museums around the Great Lakes and recorded their ship plan holdings. the only museum that did not participate was the Dossin. 
 
I have had a copy of two Great Lakes ships that have been on my "To Do" list since that project ended in 2005. The lumber hooker "Sidney O. Neff" and the Great Lakes tug "Edna G".  I also have the A.J. Fisher plans for the "Huron Brave", which is a composite of different "Lumber Hookers" and is has never been a real ship. though it is very good looking.  I got my plans out on the drawing board and wondered what was available on MSW. That is how I got here.  
 
It will be interesting watching your build. Did you carve  your hull out of a solid wood block or in a "bread & butter" style?
 
Bill  

Steven, I purchased digitized photos of the Great Harry from the Powerhouse Museum. They are TIFF format so I can do closeups of the rigging. The futtock shrouds are attached either to a wire or tightly tied line  just under the lip of the crow's nest lip and then tied off on the shrouds below. 
 
I had talk to Harry Gee, Rights and Permission Officer for MAAS. He told me that they were digitizing the photos of the Great Harry. Received them last week and have been using the photos to draw out the standing rigging. It is like having a magnifying glass while looking at a large model. I have in another screen the crow's nest with futtock shrouds taking up the whole screen. Great for detail and really helps in understanding how the model was rigged. 

Steven, I purchased digitized photos of the Great Harry from the Powerhouse Museum. They are TIFF format so I can do closeups of the rigging. The futtock shrouds are attached either to a wire or tightly tied line  just under the lip of the crow's nest lip and then tied off on the shrouds below. 
 
I had talk to Harry Gee, Rights and Permission Officer for MAAS. He told me that they were digitizing the photos of the Great Harry. Received them last week and have been using the photos to draw out the standing rigging. It is like having a magnifying glass while looking at a large model. I have in another screen the crow's nest with futtock shrouds taking up the whole screen. Great for detail and really helps in understanding how the model was rigged. 

Steven, I purchased digitized photos of the Great Harry from the Powerhouse Museum. They are TIFF format so I can do closeups of the rigging. The futtock shrouds are attached either to a wire or tightly tied line  just under the lip of the crow's nest lip and then tied off on the shrouds below. 
 
I had talk to Harry Gee, Rights and Permission Officer for MAAS. He told me that they were digitizing the photos of the Great Harry. Received them last week and have been using the photos to draw out the standing rigging. It is like having a magnifying glass while looking at a large model. I have in another screen the crow's nest with futtock shrouds taking up the whole screen. Great for detail and really helps in understanding how the model was rigged. 

I will now confine my comments to this build log rather then my own. My focus is trying to understand and draw the rigging plan for our model. We have three models to study to understand how she was rigged (NMM, Greenwich - rigging in bad shape; Our model - rigging mostly removed before we took possession; and the model at the Powerhouse Museum, Sidney.) The Powerhouse Museum had two photos of their model, one from the port side (shown above) and one from the starboard side, showing how she is rigged. I signed all the papers to get a copy of the models starboard side this morning. 
The owner stipulated that she want the vessel rigged as it was with one exception: How the yards are fastened to the masts. In the model when we received it, the yards were wired to the masts. the owner has asked us to replace the wire with rope. 
  
The above worked from the 13th to 18th C. (Mondfeld).  Mondfeld, Deane's and Steel mention lateen yards but not how they are held to the mast

Rigged as above would allow the Lateen yard to swing with the wind without binding and also allow the yard to be lowered to the deck. Though 18th C., I doubt that rigging a lateen yard had not changed in 200 years. 

Steven, I have Anderson.  Finished reading Mark Myers, masters thesis "The Evolution of Hull Design in Sixteenth-Century English Ship-Of-War" (Texas A&M). Henry VII (early 1500's and Elizabeth (Late 1500's) were the major builders of English ships and both changed the hull designs but appears that there was not that much change in rigging. That said, Anderson wrote his book in 1883 based on source materials from the 16-1700's. I am going to assume that the rigging of ships in Henry's VIII's time did not change that much by the early 1600's.  Since I have now a starboard view of the Auz. model, I should be able to draw out the rigging plan for "The Great Harry" when the model was built. This is a restoration back to how it looked 60 years ago with the exception of how the yards were fastened to the masts. The model, when we picked her up, had the yards wired to the masts and the owner asked if we could replace the wire with rope.  That said, Anderson becomes our technical source for how to rig a 1600 vessel since I have not found a technical source for the 1500's. 

Keith, thats is a good question and we do not have a crisp answer. Family says it came to America with a great grandfather when he emigrated either before or around the turn of the century from Germany. The Powerhouse Museum dates it at 1920's but does not know the maker. NMM, Greenwich dates theirs as possibly early 19th C. reconstruction, based upon an engraving published in 1756.  That is a 100 year span and raises the question: Who and where? We have three models, America, UK, & Aus. that are almost identical.  What we do know is that our model has a plaque in the keel that has Germany on it. I expect that we have the same craftsman duplicating the mode. In this mix we have the Great Exhibition of 1851 (Crystal Palace), in Hyde Park, London where a model of the "Great Harry" had been made for display.  The Crystal places was moved to south London in 1854 and stood until 1936 when it was burned down.
 
So the question is: Is the Great harry in the US & Aus. a one-off to the Great Harry at NMM and did a local guild in Germany build the models for sale?

Steven, I have Anderson.  Finished reading Mark Myers, masters thesis "The Evolution of Hull Design in Sixteenth-Century English Ship-Of-War" (Texas A&M). Henry VII (early 1500's and Elizabeth (Late 1500's) were the major builders of English ships and both changed the hull designs but appears that there was not that much change in rigging. That said, Anderson wrote his book in 1883 based on source materials from the 16-1700's. I am going to assume that the rigging of ships in Henry's VIII's time did not change that much by the early 1600's.  Since I have now a starboard view of the Auz. model, I should be able to draw out the rigging plan for "The Great Harry" when the model was built. This is a restoration back to how it looked 60 years ago with the exception of how the yards were fastened to the masts. The model, when we picked her up, had the yards wired to the masts and the owner asked if we could replace the wire with rope.  That said, Anderson becomes our technical source for how to rig a 1600 vessel since I have not found a technical source for the 1500's. 

Keith, thats is a good question and we do not have a crisp answer. Family says it came to America with a great grandfather when he emigrated either before or around the turn of the century from Germany. The Powerhouse Museum dates it at 1920's but does not know the maker. NMM, Greenwich dates theirs as possibly early 19th C. reconstruction, based upon an engraving published in 1756.  That is a 100 year span and raises the question: Who and where? We have three models, America, UK, & Aus. that are almost identical.  What we do know is that our model has a plaque in the keel that has Germany on it. I expect that we have the same craftsman duplicating the mode. In this mix we have the Great Exhibition of 1851 (Crystal Palace), in Hyde Park, London where a model of the "Great Harry" had been made for display.  The Crystal places was moved to south London in 1854 and stood until 1936 when it was burned down.
 
So the question is: Is the Great harry in the US & Aus. a one-off to the Great Harry at NMM and did a local guild in Germany build the models for sale?

Uff Da, Forgot to note that the rigging of the Lateen Yard is from Lennarth Petersson's "Rigging Period Fore-and-Aft Craft, French Lugger (page 63).

I will now confine my comments to this build log rather then my own. My focus is trying to understand and draw the rigging plan for our model. We have three models to study to understand how she was rigged (NMM, Greenwich - rigging in bad shape; Our model - rigging mostly removed before we took possession; and the model at the Powerhouse Museum, Sidney.) The Powerhouse Museum had two photos of their model, one from the port side (shown above) and one from the starboard side, showing how she is rigged. I signed all the papers to get a copy of the models starboard side this morning. 
The owner stipulated that she want the vessel rigged as it was with one exception: How the yards are fastened to the masts. In the model when we received it, the yards were wired to the masts. the owner has asked us to replace the wire with rope. 
  
The above worked from the 13th to 18th C. (Mondfeld).  Mondfeld, Deane's and Steel mention lateen yards but not how they are held to the mast

Rigged as above would allow the Lateen yard to swing with the wind without binding and also allow the yard to be lowered to the deck. Though 18th C., I doubt that rigging a lateen yard had not changed in 200 years. 

Louie da fly
I have contacted the Museum of Applied Arts and Sciences (MAAS) in Sidney, the Photo Library, about the photo they have posted of "Great Harry" H 3476. Harry Ree wrote back with a photo of the Great Harry from the starboard side of the model, showing more details of her rigging. It is not of the best quality. They will provide a new digital photo. but due to Covid-19 and other priorities it could take 6-8 weeks. Without plans available, this may be the only way we can duplicate the rigging on our model. 
Appreciate your help and that the museum is the "Powerhouse" that holds the model. From their web site I found the reference to the Photo Library and their contact information. 
Thanks again.