HMS Blandford by hamilton - FINISHED - from Corel HMS Greyhound - 1:100

[harlequin]

hope these are ok. It took some doing and is far from perfect but not too bad a job considering.

[hamilton]

These are perfect - thanks Harlequin! Great job, too! Can't wait to see your Bellona as it develops!

 

Quick question - are the angled planks attached directly to the stern face of bulkhead 13? I'm guessing they must be...I just can't imagine having that much space to work with down there myself, considering how much I've had to shorten the main deck at the stern....I also think I'll have to plank this area before second planking on the hull, again for structural reasons....

 

As I said, I think I might have to modify my planking at stern/counter, since I had to modify the main deck at the stern to accommodate bulkhead 13...here's a shot or two to illustrate.

 

 

 

You can see how the stern edges of the main deck and quarterdeck are now at quite a remove - the plans show the transom running parallel to bulkhead 13, but this will not be the case on my build....unless I modify the quarterdeck as well, which will shorten the model by about 3-5mm....

 

You can also see how little room there is for the transom supports underneath the main deck extension...I'll have to modify these, and this will also reduce the space available for the curve of the counter....all in all, I'm not sure I made the right choices in modifying the main deck - though the only other choice I had would have been to build an entirely new centre keel, which is well beyond my skill (apart from having no tools for such work).....

 

Anyway, thanks so much again for the pics - they clarify a lot!

hamilton

[harlequin]

I'm struggling to recall exactly how i completed the planking below the transom other than it being a real nightmare. I didn't take any photos of the area either so cant pull those out of the hat. I know I used some filler at some stage to give an additional surface area for a good contact. I 'll give my model a good study and get back to you on this one. I know I altered something to get everything to fit but exactly what I did requires some memory recall (gulp).   

[hamilton]

Thanks Harlequin, but don't worry too much about it. I will cross that bridge when I get to it...I had the same problem envisaging the stern area of my Toulonnaise a while back, but once I started things got clear....this is a pig of a kit, though....I'm reminded of a quote from a movie I once saw about a crazy ring - "how can something so small cause so much fear and doubt?" True perhaps of many a model!

hamilton

[harlequin]

I'm beginning to remember. Rather than the flimsy little supports supplied in the kit, I used a balsa wood filler and sanded to the required curve after fitting the two side pieces of the transom thereby using the curve of those pieces as a guide, then a little more filler attatched to frame 13 to support the angled planks, although I do recall having a little bit more space than you have in this area, but only by about a mm. It was a trial and error job that owed more to luck than judgement. It is a pig of a kit as you say but really is worth percevereing with it. 

Edited April 5, 2013 by harlequin

[hamilton]

Thanks for this detail Harlequin! This strategy makes a lot of sense. I'll be returning to this for sure when the time comes....

hamilton

[hamilton]

Well a bit more progress on the Greyhound to report....but first, I thought I'd show off a couple of new acquisitions

 

 

 

These both came in the mail today - and the timing couldn't be better - it's meant to rain all weekend, so how better to while away the hours....

 

I've leafed through both already and can see that the Lees in particular will continue to be an invaluable resource. The Goodwin book has been illuminating as well on a few specific points:

 

1. The open bulwarks at the waist, with the frame timbers used as stanchions for the rail - a feature I may use on this build

 

2. A series of oar sweeps following the waterline at the level of the lower deck - I'm thinking of finding a way to frame these out and add them using the system Chuck Passaro suggests for the sweeps on the Syren

 

3. An outboard hatch just beside the outboard ladders at the level of the lower deck - presumably for hauling supplies in and out - I think I'll try framing and adding this, too.

 

4. an anchor lining on the forward channel - also an easy add

 

5. The main wale features a thinner filling strake, though the diagram says "c. 1719" - the solid built wale is also dated "c. 1730" - so it's a little unclear whether the solid built wale corresponds to the 1719 Establishment, or whether the filling strake would still have been used....any ideas out there? I kind of like the look with the filling strake....

 

6. Crowsfeet on all three masts - which I'm not sure I can easily do at this scale, but which I'll try...

 

7. The belfry on the forecastle is towards the port side with one timberhead to the port side and three to starboard, allowing for ladders up to the forecastle port and starboard - I will definitely add these, as in the Corel plans, there is no indication of how the forecastle would have been accessible at all....

 

It's possible that if I want to stay as true as possible to the 1719 Establishment I'll have to add a solid wale and close off the bulwarks, but I'll need to do a bit more research on this - unless someone has a quick answer....

 

I've also noticed some discrepancies between Lees accounts of the 20-Gun ship of c. 1719 and the Goodwin text:

 

1. Lees lists 2 bobstays on a 20-Gun of 1719 - and while Goodwins drawings show two bobstay holes on the stem, he only puts one bobstay on...

 

2. Lees has guys p/s on the jibboom, with a running tackle eye-spliced to the spritsail yard, running through pendant blocks spliced to the end of the jibboom, back through blocks on the spritsail yard and held fast on bow timberheads

 

3. Lees belaying illustration for a 20-gun ship of 1719 has a very different deck arrangement than the Blandford/Greyhound. His illustration shows a vessel that clearly has a square beakhead bulkhead and a foremast on the forecastle, while the Blandford and the Greyhound have a rounded bow and the foremast on the main deck - though in other elements, the two books agree so some sense might be cobbled together from both

 

4. Goodwin has main sheet bitts as well as the main jeer bitts - something missed by Corel, but also represented differently by Lees. I think I'll follow Goodwin here.

 

5. Lees illustrates horses on the bowsprit that run through a stirrup spliced to the forestay and held fast to a bow timberhead with a deadeye-lanyard set-up. I had thought of adding footropes to the bowsprit, but since neither Lees nor Goodwin mentions these, perhaps there were none...I'm not entirely sure what function the horse played....any ideas?

 

Anyway - sorry for the long post! I guess I'm just excited to have these new resources to peruse....bye for now!

hamilton

[hamilton]

As if the last post wasn't enough - I'll also update a bit of progress - I spent last night prepping the centre keel

 

1. carving out the gammoning hole

 

2. Drilling a bobstay hole 

 

3. Marking and carving the rabbet joint

 

4. Cutting out the seat for the figurehead from the knee of the head

 

After leafing through Goodwin and Lees, I'm going to add two more features this evening and then do some reading:

 

1. Drilling a second bobstay hole

 

2. Drilling a hole at the top of the stem for the main stay collar

 

That will be that - nothing really glamourous, but the books have made me a little more inspired for this build after the great disappointment I've been feeling given hurdles this kit presents...and I'm getting excited to make some modifications and bash this kit up a bit....bye for now

hamilton

 

 

 

Edited April 6, 2013 by hamilton

[harlequin]

very neat job there. I think you will negate those little problems without too much difficulty. I like the fact you are adding to greyhound to enhance what is a very fine looking model despite its peculiarities.

[Blue Ensign]

Hi Hamilton, glad your books have arrived, now you have something to get your teeth into.

 

Regarding the Main Wales, personally I would go with Goodwin. There are plenty of contemporary models of sixth Rates and larger of that era with the distinctive double black Wales picked out, I think it sort of defines the period.

 

Goodwin does say in his book that the period was one of transition with old and new features being incorporated at the same time, and that the Blandford was unusual in some respects in her construction. This gives you some scope to show differences.

 

The Crowsfeet at 1:100 scale would be pretty fine, but I think you are right to attempt them, using the finest line you can get hold of.

0.1mm diameter is usually the smallest commerciallly available rigging line, but there may be other options. I would in any case drill the micro holes around the rims of the tops.

 

Look forward to seeing developments.

 

Cheers,

 

B.E.

 

 

[augie]

Well you're certainly doing your homework....and then some!

[hamilton]

Hello Harlequin:

 

Thanks for the encouragement. The Goodwin book on the Blandford has been a real breath of fresh air I have to say. I think it will be fun to try to incorporate some of the details he shows on the Blandford - in fact, it's possible that this build might turn into the Blandford in the long run....

 

One photo in Blandford's book shows a model of a 20-gun frigate with the sweeps run out. I find the look of this so captivating that if I can get up the courage I may actually take the time to carve 36 sweeps at 1:100 scale to add this other bit of interest to the model....

 

Anyway, my limited life experience has shown me that what happens in the world of ideas so often stays there, so who knows....Anyway - what's up with that Bellona! My patience is wearing thin for an update!

hamilton

[hamilton]

Hi Blue Ensign:

 

Thanks for the tips! Yes, I agree that the double-black wale with the filling strake looks really nice. At this point, I would like to try to emulate the finishing of the ship that appears on Goodwin's cover (though I may have to subcontract for the decorative scrolls and such).

 

My 4-year-old son was trying to convince me to carve the lion's-head figurehead....but the last thing I carved ended up looking something like a bean, so I don't think that's in my future.

 

The crowsfeet scare me a bit at this scale, but I will give the a shot and see how it goes...Can you tell me if they're considered standing or running rigging...? Black or hemp?

 

Anyway thanks for reading!

hamilton

[hamilton]

Hi Augie:

 

Thanks for the visit! And sorry I haven't dropped by your Syren log for a while! I promise to dedicate some time to it tomorrow!

 

I'm used to homework - giving and receiving - I teach at a university so the concept is familiar! Bye for now

hamilton

[Blue Ensign]

Hi hamilton, Goodwin includes the crowsfeet as part of the standing rigging in the Blandford book, I would use blackened line.

 

Regarding the Lion figurehead, many years ago I modified a boxwood chess piece to create a 'lion' figurehead on a scratch1:96 scale model of an early 18th century first rate.

 

Lions are popular subjects, and if you don't feel confident at sculpting look around for something that might fit the bill.

 

Cheers,
B.E.

[hamilton]

Thanks for the tip B.E. I feel a real lack of confidence in my carving ability, but might be less intimidated if there were something to start with - I never would have thought of a chess piece! Excellent idea....time to start cruising the pawn shops and second hand stores....

hamilton

[harlequin]

Bellona has had its box opened and a first dry fit of the keel and frames. My daughter plays rugby for a club side(Liverpool St Helens) a county side(lancashire) and a divisional side(The North of England) so have been busy getting her to matches and training sessions so have not done much on Bellona yet. Watch this space. 

[hamilton]

The busy life of the sports dad! I imagine it in my future, too - though most likely hockey.....not looking forward to the smell, but we must make sacrifices for our children, right? I will patiently wait for the Bellona log to start steam rolling along. Bye for now

hamilton

[harlequin]

I must say the frames and keel on Bellona are a much better fit than on Greyhound, so none of the early hair pulling and gnashing of teeth so far.

[hamilton]

Well, Harlequin - at least I have something to look forward to....

 

I spent the first of probably 3 evenings shimming the outboard bulkheads on Greyhound. Using a test plank running up and down the bulkheads I've determined that, apart from the 2 forward bulkheads (2 & 3) that fall significantly short of the bearding line and the 2 aft bulkheads that do the same (8 & 9), I have to add shims at some point on 4 bulkheads on the port side and 5 starboard....lots of dull work ahead - though the future results will hopefully be much improved as a result of the plodding....

 

I'm doing the shimming in .6mm sapelia that I have left over in quantity from my San Francisco build of this time last year. The good thing about this, is that I'll be able to show in high contrast the amount of shimming I had to do. But if you'r making me wait for pictures of the Bellona, then you'll have to wait, too, for what will probably be much less impressive shots of my shimmed-up bulkheads....until next time - to all a good night

hamilton

[hamilton]

Hi there:

 

Still mired in shimming the outboard bulkheads....2 nights in the last week and probably 2 more to go.....sheesh! I prefer ratlines!

 

Anyway, I thought I'd post a couple of pictures to show the work in progress. I did take a bit of a break from shimming to plank & install the lower deck and blacken the bulwarks & bulkhead braces so they'll disappear when the main deck is installed. I imagine that not much is going to be seen of the lower deck once all is said and done, but I thought I'd plank it anyway with a 3-butt shift (no trunnels here, though I will take a stab at trunnelling the main deck).

 

 

As I mentioned before I'm using .6mm thick sapelia for the shims (courtesy of Artesania Latina). In the photos below you can get a sense of how much shimming was required overall across the port side (I've only just begun the starboard side), and also the thickness of the shimming at bulkheads 9 and 10, which were the ones that rode so high above the bearding line....

 

 

 

 

Anyway, once this is done, it will be on to much more interesting and fun stages of the build - installing the main deck, fairing the frames, installing the stern framing...

 

After this, I'm a bit undecided as to what to do next...the instructions would have me completing the framework by adding the cabin bulkhead and the quarterdeck and forecastle subdecks (before planking the main deck...but I don't think I'm going to do this....Instead, I think I'll do the planking (at least the first planking and inboard bulwarks), then plank the deck, then install both the cabin bulkhead (which I'll scratch build) as well as half bulkheads under the forecastle (as featured in Goodwin's Blandford book). Only then will I install the quarterdeck and forecastle.

 

I've also decided to scrap the gunport frames supplied by Corel and simply cut out the ports from the bulwarks...this is because I want to replicate the open bulwarks that Goodwin shows for the Blandford and which wouldn't work with the metal gunport frames that came with the kit.....I'm also thinking of going with a lighter wood for the outboard bulwark planking - something like boxwood or perhaps simply basswood finished with a nice light walnut or oak stain...Anyway, this is now getting ahead of myself - I suppose I shouldn't treat this log as a diary....

 

Stay tuned, more to come once this boring business of bulkhead shimming's done...

hamilton

[augie]

That's a lot of work.  I'm sure you will be taking your time to fair the bulkheads to get a smooth run of your planks.  Looking forward to seeing that.

[Blue Ensign]

 I get the impression that this is a kit just begging for a bit of 'bashing', and I'm looking forward to seeing your build develop Hamilton.

 

Regards,

 

B.E.

[hamilton]

Hi Augie:

 

Thanks for stopping by! Yes there will be a lot of fairing to do - you probably noticed that the shimming on bulkheads 9 & 10 appears in the photo to be a little dippy...in reality it's not as bad as it looks on camera - it's just the angle. However, I've been rough fairing the bulkheads at the same time as I'm shimming so that I can try to get as accurate a run of planks as possible. The real fairing will begin after I install the deck, which needs some minor adjustments to the outboard edge in order for the planks to run smoothly. This is undoubtedly the most extended and tedious framework assembly I've yet done on a kit - though I imagine there are worse cases out there....

hamilton

[hamilton]

Hi B.E.:

 

Thanks for the comment! Yes, this kit does beg for a good bashing. So far it's felt like most of the bashing has been my head against the wall! But with Goodwin's Anatomy of the Ship Blandford as a guide, I'm going to try to modify this kit quite a bit - as mentioned before, adding open bulwarks, adding sweep ports and sweeps, adjusting the belfry and f'csl rail, adding ladders to the f'csl, adjusting the rigging and belaying arrangement, etc.

 

One thing that's been plaguing me is how to mount the ship's boat (which I'm also replacing with a 3.5" plank-on-frame boat from ME). Corel shows the boat mounted aft on a gallows bit and fwd on the base of the belfry, which is centred on the f'csl rail. But Goodwin shows the belfry off centre, which means that the forward positioning suggested by Corel is not going to work for me. 

 

Goodwin's book provided the solution - he shows the main sheet bits (which are not really included in Corel's kit at all but replaced by the gallows) fitted with a gallows up top. And then in the section of photographs, there is an example of an early model of a 20-gun 6th rate that has a gallows fitted forward (just in front of the forward hatch). So I'll be adding this as well....

 

Anyway, that's all for the future. After I finish shimming, the real bashing will begin - I'll frame out the sweep ports (2mm x 2mm - which will be quite tricky) and the 2 ballast ports (5mm x 4mm), fair the whole thing, and then start the first planking & building up the open bulwarks and re-doing the gunport frames....yikes! What have I got myself into!

hamilton

[hamilton]

Well I've finally finished shimming the outboard bulkheads...phew! What a lot of tedious work! I'll post some pictures later. Next comes some more niggling, but also I think more interesting work - framing the sweeps & ballast ports. Here's how I'll approach it.

 

1. Identify the waterline and mark it along the outside edges of the bulkheads

2. Mark a point on each bulkhead a little less than mid-way between the false lower deck and the main deck defining a line that runs parallel to the waterline (this is the location of the sweep ports, which run parallel to the waterline)

3. Install 2mm x 2mm scrap wood along that line to mark the lower edge of the sweep ports/ballast ports

4. install another set of scrap wood strips 2mm above the first set - this is the top edge of the sweeps

5. install a pair of scrap wood strips 5mm above the first set of strips at a point corresponding to and below gunport 6 - this is the ballast port

6. add small pieces of scrap wood vertically between the two horizontal strips to mark out the sweep ports which should be 2mm square

7. add small pieces of scrap wood vertically to define the ballast ports (5mm x 4mm).

 

Once this is done, I'll fix up the tops of the bulkheads and install the main deck. Then it's time for some serious fairing!! Good night to all

hamilton

[augie]

I'm glad that you've gotten that shimming done for now.  You're certainly going to get your 'moneys worth' with all this extra time put in.

 

Let us know what you think of that MS POF ships boat when the time comes.  I think I had good success with one or 2 of those years ago.  My current kit came with one of those bread & butter MS boats.  It came out fine but talk about  sanding (particularly the inside)!!

[harlequin]

it certainly is coming along nicely.........once you get to the ratlines you will prefer the shimming.

[hamilton]

Hi Augie:

 

Yes, indeed - it's beginning to feel like I've spent forever on the framework - and there's a lot more to go! My one worry about the POF ship's boat is that its shape might not be exactly right for the type of boat it's supposed to be (a pinnace). I might find myself modifying it, as well!! 

hamilton

[hamilton]

Hi Harlequin:

 

I'm not so sure....I don't mind the ratlines so much - throw on a few podcasts and settle in for some clove hitches....though on this one I think there will be more ratlines than I've ever done....I did close to 1000 on the San Francisco, but I think there might be a few more than that here.....chip away, chip away

hamilton