Steel's improved tables

[dak4482]

Hi all,

 

Quick question. Has anyone ever seen or possess a copy of "Steel's improved tables of the dimensions of the most approved ship of each class" that is advertised in almost every one of Stelel's publication? Is this something that was incorporated in later versions of a particular book? Just wondering if it is a update to his tables of scantlings in his Naval Architecture publication. Can't find it anywhere except in bibliographies for him.

 

Dan

[trippwj]

I have periodically searched for said treatise in many of the usual suspect online repositories with no success.  I am NOT sure if these would be the same as the tables in his Naval Architecture (available in PDF less the large draughts) at https://books.google.com/books?id=TWsmw-QqvmAC

 

It may be found as a printed version, perhaps, in various libraries (such as New York Public Library, NMM &c.) although I have not looked for it in that format.

 

GOOD LUCK!

[dak4482]

Wayne,

 

Thx for the reply. I do have both the book and draughts for Naval Architecture. Thats why I was curious if this publication was an upgrade.

 

Dan

[druxey]

Perhaps it was an advance ad for a volume that was never published?

[Jim Lad]

A quick Google search shows this as being advertised for sale in three different books of the time.  It is described as being published "On a large broadside of two sheets super royal." That's two sheets each sized 483 x 686 mm.  As it was published on two very large sheets of paper, it's doubtful that any copies survive except, perhaps, in highly specialised libraries.

 

John

[Alcedo]

http://www.goldenhind.ru/steel_en/

?

 

 

[trippwj]

3 hours ago, Alcedo said:

http://www.goldenhind.ru/steel_en/

?

 

 

Well, that's a fantastic find!  Thank you!!!!!

[druxey]

Ah! So it was never a book at all. Thank you. Alcedo and Jim. It was my education for today.

[dak4482]

Alcedo,

 

Great job!!!! Thx ever so much. It is very much appreciated.

 

Dan

[Mark P]

Greetings everyone;

 

Thank you to Alcedo for such an informative post,  and especial thanks if you are the same person who compiled the spreadsheet linked to it.  A lot of work went into this,  and it is very kind and generous of you to make it available online.

 

The National Archives at Kew have an original copy of one of these sheets,  which I have photographed previously in sections.  However,  the very bottom has been cut off,  removing the date and place of publication and publisher's details.  From the detailed information given in the site linked to Alcedo's post,  it is clear that it is one of the middle publication series,  as it refers to the data as 'according to the last establishment'. 

 

It can be dated also by the fact that it describes two items relating to armament of vessels:  that the Victory has 32 pdrs on her lower deck (according to Winfield this occurred only between mid 1778-mid 1779 [and after 1805 but this can be ignored here] )and that the Valiant & Triumph only have 24pdrs on their upper decks.  As both Valiant and Triumph had been refitted with 18pdrs by 1787 (Winfield) it would seem reasonable to assume that this sheet is a complete re-print of the earlier version with the title altered.  EDIT - just noticed that this is stated in the info given in Alcedo's post. 

 

Thank you Alcedo for giving me the means to know what it is that my photographs are of.

 

All the best,

 

Mark P

Edited October 26, 2017 by Mark P

[Alcedo]

1 hour ago, Mark P said:

Thank you to Alcedo for such an informative post,  and especial thanks if you are the same person who compiled the spreadsheet linked to it.  A lot of work went into this,  and it is very kind and generous of you to make it available online.

Hello Mark

 

I am not the author of this work. 
 

However, in my opinion, the work of the author (Y. Miroshnikov) deserves respect - 
He did a great and necessary work.

 

With best regards, Vladimir

[PeteB]

1 hour ago, Alcedo said:

 

2 hours ago, Mark P said:

Thank you to Alcedo for such an informative post,  and especial thanks if you are the same person who compiled the spreadsheet linked to it.  A lot of work went into this,  and it is very kind and generous of you to make it available online.

Hello Mark

 

I am not the author of this work. 
 

However, in my opinion, the work of the author (Y. Miroshnikov) deserves respect - 
He did a great and necessary work.

 

With best regards, Vladimir

 

Hi Vladimir - what a treasure of a find very much appreciated. I have one problem probably to do with my old Browser? -  got the text but I can't see the four plates in the engravings file did anybody get those? If so would appreciate same by PM or email - Please pass my Gratitude to Mr Y Miroshnikov if you are in contact with him he has done us all a great service. Cheers Pete

Edited October 26, 2017 by PeteB
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[PeteB]

Hi Vladimir once again my thanks this time for the Plates -  one has to wonder if the world is a little poorer for the beautiful individual freestyle draughtsmanship and drawings skills now lost to the precision of CAD. Thanks and Cheers Pete