Bruma Posted December 2, 2019 #1 Posted December 2, 2019 Hello everyone! I'm new in this wonderful community and I'm not a native English speaker, so sorry for all the mistakes I will surely do. I'm building a 1/96 Revell Cutty Sark and it is my firs ship model, so I have many things to learn. I was thinking about to post the WIP, but I was a bit intimidated from the quality of the job presented here. This evening I finished the topmast shrouds on the main mast and I suddenly noticed an issue. Where are the main lift lines supposed to run? They seem to interfere with the topmast shroud! In order to guarantee at least a small degree of freedom for swinging the yards they should pass trough the shrouds but this option seems to me a little bit strange... Here a picture of the actual situation, with a temporary lift line and block to better understand the situation. And here a picture of the Cutty Sark (after the last restoration/rebuild) in which they seem touch the shrouds on the bow side. Even in this case, they will be surely bent as soon as the yards are swing... Any help would be really appreciateted, right now I'm stuck with this dilemma... Thank you to everyone who want to help! mtaylor 1 Quote Current build: Cutty Sark - Revell - 1:96: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25323-cutty-sark-by-bruma-revell-196/
druxey Posted December 2, 2019 #2 Posted December 2, 2019 The yards in the photo are without sails in a lowered position, I think. When raised and sails bent there is more clearance with the shrouds. mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
Bruma Posted December 2, 2019 Author #3 Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) Thank you both for taking the time to answer, I really appreciate! @JerseyCity Frankie: so basically you say that it is normal than in neutral position of the arm (line port to starboard) the lift hits the front topmast shrouds? That is strange! In my mind this wonderfull machines are perfect in all the aspect and it sound just a strange technical solution! And the worst is that as soon as they orient the arms, one side gets even worst! The topmast yard of clipper as the Cutty Sark can be turned more than 45 degrees! Good to know! This means that I'm not completly wrong! I will move the eyebolts for the lift bloks as far forward as possible, even if I a little bit sad that they will not be in the correct position. Campbell plans shows them in between the two masts. druxey: sorry Sir, my fault. I was talking about the topmast yard, which is, in my understanding, a fixed yard. Edited December 2, 2019 by Bruma mtaylor and druxey 2 Quote Current build: Cutty Sark - Revell - 1:96: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25323-cutty-sark-by-bruma-revell-196/
druxey Posted December 2, 2019 #4 Posted December 2, 2019 A fixed yard is another story! mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
Bruma Posted December 3, 2019 Author #5 Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) Well, I agree on both: Cutty Sark is well documented, and I would not move the eyebolts too much. But still, I cannot understand, where the mistake is... Here the cap band details from Longridge: It is clear that the blocks are in between the two masts. And here the detail of the Campbell's plan: They agree on that point. In this detail it is also clear that the foremost topmast shrouds is parallel to the mast, exactly centered to it, which is were they are supposed to be. Now, on my model, I tried to do the same, here is the result: First shroud centered and parallel to the mast, temporary lift line passing in between the two masts, main yard squared and still it is interfering! This is driving me crazy... And the worst thing is that I wold like to present the model with sail an in navigation, with wind from the side, so I will need to rotate the main yard at almost 45 degrees, and the problem will be more and more evident... Again thank you for the time you dedicate to my mental care... Edited December 3, 2019 by Bruma mtaylor and Blue Pilot 2 Quote Current build: Cutty Sark - Revell - 1:96: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25323-cutty-sark-by-bruma-revell-196/
rwiederrich Posted December 6, 2019 #6 Posted December 6, 2019 Bruma..it appears that the design was tight for the lifts, as the yard is swung for and aft. Here is an old image of the Ferreira (AKA Cutty Sark), after her conversion due to an accident...but, notice the lifts with chafing guards...probably leather or similar material. Indicative of a chafing issue. All I can suggest is, work with what you have. As I mentioned in a similar post to you....I just ran the lift between the first and second shrouds....knowing, this was a compromise I was willing to accept....also knowing this slight error would get deluded among the complexity of additional rigging. Rob mtaylor 1 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
Bruma Posted December 9, 2019 Author #7 Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) Hello again and sorry for the delay in answering. Thank you both for your great contribution in solving this issue, Now I know that I'm not completely wrong with my build and, as a plus, I know a little bit more this wonderful ship. I think I will probably run the lifts outside the shrouds. Surely this small detail will be lost when looking at the entire ship and the forest of spars and lines, but I know that if I made a mistake, my eyes will keep going there. That's why I'am so thankful to you for helping me to sort it out! Edited December 9, 2019 by Bruma mtaylor 1 Quote Current build: Cutty Sark - Revell - 1:96: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25323-cutty-sark-by-bruma-revell-196/
rwiederrich Posted December 11, 2019 #8 Posted December 11, 2019 On 12/8/2019 at 4:06 PM, Bruma said: Hello again and sorry for the delay in answering. Thank you both for your great contribution in solving this issue, Now I know that I'm not completely wrong with my build and, as a plus, I know a little bit more this wonderful ship. I think I will probably run the lifts outside the shrouds. Surely this small detail will be lost when looking at the entire ship and the forest of spars and lines, but I know that if I made a mistake, my eyes will keep going there. That's why I'am so thankful to you for helping me to sort it out! Well you're welcome... not sure I helped you *sort it all out*. But glad I could give input. Here is what I did with the lifts...though not accurate. And some other images to show my efforts. Rob allanyed, mtaylor, popeye2sea and 2 others 5 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
Bruma Posted December 14, 2019 Author #9 Posted December 14, 2019 Wonderful model! I stumbled into it during one of my many researches about the revell Cutty Sark. I particularly like the scene: it is not tha classic display and I like it! mtaylor 1 Quote Current build: Cutty Sark - Revell - 1:96: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25323-cutty-sark-by-bruma-revell-196/
rwiederrich Posted December 16, 2019 #10 Posted December 16, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 5:04 PM, Bruma said: Wonderful model! I stumbled into it during one of my many researches about the revell Cutty Sark. I particularly like the scene: it is not tha classic display and I like it! Thanks Bruma. I wanted more then just the ordinary display...I wanted to tell a story...a story of an actual event in the life of the Cutty Sark. And no better, then the one of her losing her rudder while racing the Thermopylae. The scene imbeds the viewer not only in the model itself, but in real history and a true historical event. Though she lost that race..the fame she retained for her exploits and sheer will of character of her captain and crew to repair her in open ocean......tells a far greater tail then simply a static model of her ever could. Again, thanks for the fine comments and compliments. Rob Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
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