paul ron Posted February 14 Share #1 Posted February 14 i saw some pictures of clippers at sea with rope coils hanging on the sheer poles. how are they tied on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted February 14 Share #2 Posted February 14 40 minutes ago, paul ron said: i saw some pictures of clippers at sea with rope coils hanging on the sheer poles. how are they tied on? Was the sheer pole also acting as a belay pin rail? Do you have the picture? Rob Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul ron Posted February 14 Author Share #3 Posted February 14 (edited) if the sheer pole had pins, i wouldnt have asked.😁 the pictures are hanging in the south street sea port museum nyc... mystic sea port museum mystic ct, at the museum in boston at the constitution. the fall river sea port museum in RI. the sheer poles in the photos didnt have pins. also there were many lines, probably bunts, right out of the fareleds on the shrouds, hanging over what looked like laundry lines from the cabin to the shrouds as well as hanks on the sheer poles... looked like a real mess of lines on a working ship at sea. how would you hang a hank on a sheer pole without pins... unless it was tied on by the end of the rope with a clove hitch? impresive build logs rob. Edited February 14 by paul ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted February 14 Share #4 Posted February 14 Paul I believe there is information on this in Ed Tosti's books and his build log here at MSW on Young America. I just did a little research and there is detailed information on the sheer poles and seems to be good information on lines belayed to the sheer poles. Allan paul ron 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr PR Posted February 15 Share #5 Posted February 15 Rope coils could be tied on with simple lashings of small stuff. Anchor buoy lines were secured to the shrouds this way. allanyed and paul ron 2 Quote Phil Current build: https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/19611-albatros-by-dr-pr-mantua-scale-140-about-1815/&tab=comments#comment-601276 Previous build: https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/19321-uss-oklahoma-city-clg-5-1971-3d-cad-model/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted February 15 Share #6 Posted February 15 (edited) Is this the image in question? I understand this practice was employed to keep sailors off the rail...due to large waves breaking the rail. Safety! Edited February 15 by rwiederrich paul ron 1 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul ron Posted February 15 Author Share #7 Posted February 15 oh thats a great photo rob. wow it looks like lines were just drapped over some poles in that picture. i saw many photos n videos of ships at sea in foul weather... im just in awe how rough it gets out there, especially polar expeditions. alan where did you find info on sheer poles? i love the young america build log. ive been going over it a bit at a time... its alot of great information. im also going over another build log of the flying fish, except im scratch building mine. seems kits had better drawings n instructions than the plans im using. thanks everyone... you guys are amazing. im only doing ship modeling for 50 years on n off but you guys are very dedicated n knowledgeable. im intrigued with the research of ship construction of the period and how it all functioned when out at sea. man those guys were tough. thanks again, paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted February 15 Share #8 Posted February 15 9 minutes ago, paul ron said: alan where did you find info on sheer poles? i love the young america build log. ive been going over it a bit at a time... its alot of great information. im also going over another build log of the flying fish, except im scratch building mine. seems kits had better drawings n instructions than the plans im using. Volume III in Ed's books, and in his build log which is, as you know, also a scratch build. His drawings are superior to any kit I have seen to date. I do not recall which pages address the sheer poles in the build log, but I saw them while doing some searching. Allan paul ron 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution BANYAN Posted February 15 Solution Share #9 Posted February 15 (edited) Paul, if lines were bent to the sheer poles, this would probably have been done using the tails of the line. The excess would first have been made up into coils, a length of the tail end then wrapped around the coils on their upper end, forming a sort of eye, through which the tail will have been passed. The length of the tail will have been long enough to form at least a clove hitch by which to bend it to the pole, but probably a little more to allow a constrictor hitch, or safety turns in addition to a clove hitch. However, if carelessly/haphazardly bent to the pole, this could also have led to several of these made-up coils dangling and swinging freely if the pole was fitted much higher than the cap/roughtree rail. This would have imposed a significant hazard for the crew when stepping into the ratlines? This could be somewhat mitigated by bending them onto, or even around the shroud, near where the poles crossed them, leaving the parts between the shrouds clear to access/step-on? Hope this helps? cheers Pat Edited February 16 by BANYAN paul ron and allanyed 2 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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