ClipperFan Posted Wednesday at 12:10 AM #901 Posted Wednesday at 12:10 AM 37 minutes ago, Kenchington said: I'd have to see the original wording to be sure, but the rake of the after face of the post was a matter of hull design (influencing the run of the planking) whereas the gradient of the inner face was only of structural concern. Even then, the post was only one part of a complex structure involving deadwood, possibly keelson, likely a large standing knee, maybe an inner post and so on. It would make much more sense to quote a single value for the rake if that referred to the after, outer face. Rudders could (and did) function perfectly well on raked posts. Indeed, even a post erected perpendicular to the keel was likely to be raked once the vessel was trimmed for sailing, with the heel slightly deeper than the forefoot. Trevor @Kenchington,Trevor here's the exact section of the Staghound article which includes the exact specs supplied to Duncan McLean by McKay's Shipyard. I've also included a close up detail of the stern on McKay's twin packets sketch which shows how the aft stern is thicker below than above. BANYAN 1
rwiederrich Posted Wednesday at 01:25 PM Author #902 Posted Wednesday at 01:25 PM Thanks for all the input Rich...and from everyone else who has contributed to the lively exchange as of late. I'll spend some time today finalizing the shape of the bow and stern...probably more filling and sanding. I'll, then primer the hull to expose further inconsistencies, that will most likely require filling and sanding. Once all that is done, and I'm satisfied......I'll affix the stem/cutwater and keel to include the stern post. I move fast...but not too fast. I want this as correct as I can manage. Monkey rail will come after I lay the sub floors for the decking. Rob Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
rwiederrich Posted Wednesday at 09:35 PM Author #903 Posted Wednesday at 09:35 PM beginning to add the keel. Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
rwiederrich Posted Wednesday at 09:38 PM Author #904 Posted Wednesday at 09:38 PM After the keel I worked more on sanding and finalizing the stem and cutwater. Rob druxey, FriedClams and Snug Harbor Johnny 3 Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
ClipperFan Posted Thursday at 10:45 AM #905 Posted Thursday at 10:45 AM 13 hours ago, rwiederrich said: beginning to add the keel.
ClipperFan Posted Thursday at 11:15 AM #906 Posted Thursday at 11:15 AM (edited) @rwiederrich Rob, your Staghound is shaping up beautifully. I hope this reminder isn't too late for your build. The keel was described as being built in two sections, was 46" deep, with 36" projecting beyond her hull making the internal portion just a thin 10" deep in the McLean article. However, in the Cornelius McKay letter in addition to bottom planking being 4" and wales 5" thick he stipulated (excerpt attached) that the keel section beyond the hull was just 30" deep making the other portion of keel inside a more sensible 16 thick." Edited Thursday at 11:17 AM by ClipperFan edit
rwiederrich Posted Thursday at 12:42 PM Author #907 Posted Thursday at 12:42 PM 1 hour ago, ClipperFan said: @rwiederrich Rob, your Staghound is shaping up beautifully. I hope this reminder isn't too late for your build. The keel was described as being built in two sections, was 46" deep, with 36" projecting beyond her hull making the internal portion just a thin 10" deep in the McLean article. However, in the Cornelius McKay letter in addition to bottom planking being 4" and wales 5" thick he stipulated (excerpt attached) that the keel section beyond the hull was just 30" deep making the other portion of keel inside a more sensible 16 thick." Yep...it is 3ft...or 2.5 scale ft. Does that number include the *false* keel as well? Rob Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
rwiederrich Posted Thursday at 02:24 PM Author #908 Posted Thursday at 02:24 PM Working out the contours. Glen McGuire 1 Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
rwiederrich Posted Thursday at 02:29 PM Author #909 Posted Thursday at 02:29 PM Contouring. FriedClams and Glen McGuire 2 Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
ClipperFan Posted Thursday at 03:51 PM #910 Posted Thursday at 03:51 PM 3 hours ago, rwiederrich said: Yep...it is 3ft...or 2.5 scale ft. Does that number include the *false* keel as well? Rob Rob, I read Cornelius' instructions to mean, in order to get a more complete version of Staghound as he carved her, add 4" outside planking, 5" wales and a 30" keel (implied but not stated with false keel or shoe) all at his 1:48th scale.
rwiederrich Posted Thursday at 04:12 PM Author #911 Posted Thursday at 04:12 PM 17 minutes ago, ClipperFan said: Rob, I read Cornelius' instructions to mean, in order to get a more complete version of Staghound as he carved her, add 4" outside planking, 5" wales and a 30" keel (implied but not stated with false keel or shoe) all at his 1:48th scale. I gathered that as well. I'm in the ball park then. Just asking. Plotting out the main rail cap and the 16" monkey rail. Inside will be the waterways and planksheer. I'll place the cap rail first, then the exterior planksheer. The Navel hood will go on first before that install. But before all that....I still need to finalize the stern. Rob Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
rwiederrich Posted Thursday at 10:41 PM Author #912 Posted Thursday at 10:41 PM Did some corrections to the cutwater and the keel. Here is a close up of the stem. Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
rwiederrich Posted Thursday at 10:43 PM Author #913 Posted Thursday at 10:43 PM While I was at it I held the Staghound figurehead up for eval. It’s a little small cuz it’s behind the cutwater….. under the soon to be hood uscharin 1 Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
rwiederrich Posted Thursday at 10:45 PM Author #914 Posted Thursday at 10:45 PM Now a couple overall’s. Snug Harbor Johnny and BANYAN 2 Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
rwiederrich Posted yesterday at 05:20 PM Author #915 Posted yesterday at 05:20 PM Rich...recalculating my measurements...Her bulwarks are 6.5ft including the monkey rail. That means her main rail is at a height of 5.1ft where her poop and forecastle decking are located. Correct? Her planksheer sits atop her 12" waterways. I'm assuming her main rail is measured from the deck, not on top of the waterway? I am finalizing all these measurements so I can calculate the placement of the external planksheer Moulding, which is be 6" thick and 16" wide. Same size as the rail cap. fun, fun, fun... Rob Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
rwiederrich Posted yesterday at 09:10 PM Author #916 Posted yesterday at 09:10 PM (edited) Sprayed on a primer to aid in contouring, and sanding. Edited yesterday at 09:46 PM by rwiederrich Jared, druxey and FriedClams 3 Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
ClipperFan Posted 13 hours ago #917 Posted 13 hours ago (edited) 23 hours ago, rwiederrich said: Rich...recalculating my measurements...Her bulwarks are 6.5ft including the monkey rail. That means her main rail is at a height of 5.1ft where her poop and forecastle decking are located. Correct? Her planksheer sits atop her 12" waterways. I'm assuming her main rail is measured from the deck, not on top of the waterway? I am finalizing all these measurements so I can calculate the placement of the external planksheer Moulding, which is be 6" thick and 16" wide. Same size as the rail cap. fun, fun, fun... Rob Rob, Staghound bulkhead height, including monkey rail was 6'6" from the deck. Main rail height was either 5' with an 18" monkey rail or 5'2" with a 16" monkey rail. While it's not specified on this vessel, other McKay clippers had a 5'2" main rail height with 16" monkey rail. On Glory of the Seas the outer sheer rail molding was about 1' shorter than the internal main rail height. For a 5'2" main rail the outer sheerline would be about 4'. Edited 5 hours ago by ClipperFan added info FriedClams 1
Snug Harbor Johnny Posted 11 hours ago #918 Posted 11 hours ago She's looking good, 'yar' that is ! FriedClams 1 Completed builds: Khufu Solar Barge - 1:72 Woody Joe Current project(s): Gorch Fock restoration 1:100, Billing Wasa (bust) - 1:100 Billings, Great Harry (bust) 1:88 ex. Sergal 1:65
rwiederrich Posted 8 hours ago Author #920 Posted 8 hours ago 5 hours ago, ClipperFan said: Rob, Staghound bulkhead height, including monkey rail was 6'6" from the deck. Main rail height was either 5' with an 18" monkey rail or 5'2" with a 16" monkey rail. While it's not specified on this vessel, other McKay clippers had a 5'2" On the outer sheer rail molding was about 1' shorter. For a 5' main rail the outer sheerline would be 4'. Looks like I’m right on track. Thanks Rob ClipperFan 1 Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
rwiederrich Posted 8 hours ago Author #921 Posted 8 hours ago 3 hours ago, Snug Harbor Johnny said: She's looking good, 'yar' that is ! Thanks Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
rwiederrich Posted 8 hours ago Author #922 Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, Rick310 said: Hull looks great Rob!! Rick Thanks a lot Rick. Since we have no photos to aid me……the McKay model and McLean’s description is all I have to work with……. Oh and a little artistic license. Rob Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
ClipperFan Posted 6 hours ago #923 Posted 6 hours ago On 5/15/2025 at 6:43 PM, rwiederrich said: While I was at it I held the Staghound figurehead up for eval. It’s a little small cuz it’s behind the cutwater….. under the soon to be hood Rob, At this scale, your staghound's starting to look more like a chihuahua 😉 Either your navel hoods are too large or figurehead's too tiny. I'm resharing my sketch to aid in your scale evaluation. The staghound figurehead is 90" (7 & 1/2' like the Athene figurehead. Like her, the naval hoods terminate around the dog's front shoulders. The sketch is done to 1:96th scale with 8' verticle lines. I traced the Alexander Hall plans, which besides her bow profile was just about spot on. You can use the scale on that print as a guideline, as my trace was exactly the same.
rwiederrich Posted 3 hours ago Author #924 Posted 3 hours ago Rich……..I told you it looks small because it is being held behind the cutwater. Optical illusion. Spent time adding the main rail cap. Rob Snug Harbor Johnny 1 Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
ClipperFan Posted 3 hours ago #925 Posted 3 hours ago 12 minutes ago, rwiederrich said: Rich……..I told you it looks small because it is being held behind the cutwater. Optical illusion. Spent time adding the main rail cap. Rob Rob, my bad. I misunderstood your picture, which made the figurehead look ridiculously small. The svelte hull of your Staghound is really beautiful and demonstrates Donald McKay's extreme California clipper true to form. It's so exciting to see you back at work on her.
rwiederrich Posted 2 hours ago Author #926 Posted 2 hours ago Recalculating it looks like Vlad placed the masts in the incorrect location. I noticed it when placing the portico. It was off by 8 scale ft. The foremast began too far back from the stem. Everything was off by 8ft. Some images to show. The black dot is the correct location. Rob Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now