MrBlueJacket Posted Monday at 01:56 PM #1381 Posted Monday at 01:56 PM Speaking of trying..... "Excellence is not a skill, it is an attitude" (unknown) "The wastebasket is your best tool" (Steve Wheeler) Nic
rwiederrich Posted Monday at 03:06 PM Author #1382 Posted Monday at 03:06 PM Further observation....concludes that it is true Duncan McLean of the Boston Atlas, did indeed say that Flying Fish did have double topsail ties. But I argue...not in the manner model designers have drawn. Their design causes the tie's to run free within 3 gin blocks. Meaning one side could be purchased in greater effect...resulting in the chain passing freely through all gin blocks. Making any parral lift cable bolted to the tie inoperable. For it would pull up against the cable or bind at one or both of the purchases. The arrangement drawn here is not compatible for top sail yard parral lifts. And if you can't lift the parral along with the yard...you will bind the parral on the mast. See first image. I propose that each tie coming down from each gin block under the top tree...attach to the iron band instead of on center of an iron bar. This would also eliminate extra hardware like the bar and gin block that would impede full upward travel along the mast. You would still have port and starboard purchases that terminate at the channel and pin rail . Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
rwiederrich Posted Monday at 03:12 PM Author #1383 Posted Monday at 03:12 PM 1 hour ago, MrBlueJacket said: Speaking of trying..... "Excellence is not a skill, it is an attitude" (unknown) "The wastebasket is your best tool" (Steve Wheeler) Nic Trying can only have two results. You either, tried and failed, where trying is your excuse, or you tried, till unacceptable failure was replaced by success. Rob Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
BANYAN Posted yesterday at 12:03 AM #1384 Posted yesterday at 12:03 AM 20 hours ago, Kenchington said: Sorry, Banyan but, as @ClipperFan has documented, clipper ships were initially a North American development, as were the (Baltimore) clippers which preceded them. Suitably educated cheers Pat If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
BANYAN Posted yesterday at 12:10 AM #1385 Posted yesterday at 12:10 AM Hi Rob, the middle illustration illustration (97) and the last picture in the same post ere of great interest to me as I believe they show the way Victoria was rigged (using gins). I also agree it is more likely the slings attached to the centre band of the yard (I believe that is the way Nares describes it from recall). Could you please let me know the reference from which these were taken? cheers Pat If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
rwiederrich Posted 18 hours ago Author #1386 Posted 18 hours ago 11 hours ago, BANYAN said: Hi Rob, the middle illustration illustration (97) and the last picture in the same post ere of great interest to me as I believe they show the way Victoria was rigged (using gins). I also agree it is more likely the slings attached to the centre band of the yard (I believe that is the way Nares describes it from recall). Could you please let me know the reference from which these were taken? cheers Pat Pat...I believe I got illustration 97 from an online reference for the model plans for the clipper Flying Fish. The last is of the Barque James Craig. Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
ClipperFan Posted 7 hours ago #1387 Posted 7 hours ago 10 hours ago, rwiederrich said: Pat...I believe I got illustration 97 from an online reference for the model plans for the clipper Flying Fish. The last is of the Barque James Craig. Rob, I noticed that lower and upper topsail yards on Barque James Baines have an octagonal center just afore her fore and main masts. Something I haven't seen on wooden masts before.
rwiederrich Posted 6 hours ago Author #1388 Posted 6 hours ago (edited) 58 minutes ago, ClipperFan said: Rob, I noticed that lower and upper topsail yards on Barque James Baines have an octagonal center just afore her fore and main masts. Something I haven't seen on wooden masts before. Possibly to retain the banding from possible rotation on the yard. I’ve seen this octagon centers on other ships before. James Baines? Rob Edited 6 hours ago by rwiederrich ClipperFan 1 Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
ClipperFan Posted 5 hours ago #1389 Posted 5 hours ago 1 hour ago, rwiederrich said: Possibly to retain the banding from possible rotation on the yard. I’ve seen this octagon centers on other ships before. James Baines? Rob Rob, D'oh! I meant James Craig and in a rush, since I was distracted picking up my wife from work, typed the wrong ship....
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