Ancre.fr now offering resin cannon barrels for some of their monographs!

[uss frolick]

Huzza! I just got the email this morning. Here for example is the L'Egyptienne page. Scroll down the tan box and tick "1/2 serie de canons au 1/48"  to see a picture. In this case it is for a half battery in 1/48 for 110 Euros.

 

https://ancre.fr/fr/monographies/102-legyptienne-fregate-de-24-1799-9782952740654.html#/langue-1_2_serie_de_canones_a_1_48

 

Those ships offering cannon sets, in differing scales, are:

 

 

LE FLEURON : 1/48
LA NÉRÉIDE : 1/48
HERMIONE : 1/48
LA CREOLE : 1/48 
Caronade de 12 livres : 1/12

CHALOUPE Armée 1/36 1/24 1/18
L'AMARANTE : 1/36 et 1/24
ARTESIEN : 1/48 et 1/36
LA BELLE-POULE  : 1/48  

MAHONESA: 1/48 et 1/36 
LA BELLE : 1/48 et 1/36 
LE REQUIN : 1/48 
LA VENUS : 1/48 
LA VOLAGE : 1/24 
EGYPTIENNE : 1/48
 

 

Edited November 25, 2024 by uss frolick

[dafi]

I saw some of these prints in Evian on the exhibition of the french arsenal group on the booth of Ancre and Mr. Berti. Those guns and other parts are very well done!

What a great addition!

XXXDAn

Edited December 7, 2024 by dafi

[Fritzlindsay]

On 11/25/2024 at 7:04 AM, uss frolick said:

In this case it is for a half battery in 1/48 for 110 Euros.

This seems very high priced.  From the information they provide it looks like they only send the barrels, not the carriages.   I have never paid more than about US$0.80 per barrel for 3D printed in 1:48 if I provide the 3D drawings.  I found out there are a lot of STL drawings for cannon here at MSW available for free.   https://thenrg.org/page-1075420  Hope they will add some Spanish and French gun pattern drawings in the future.  There is a great string of posts here as well. 

Fritz

 

 

[uss frolick]

It's a good deal, if you're not set up to 3D print, which I am not, even if only the barrels are offered. (I still own DVD's!)

 

But there is another French vender who offers a small number of Ancre sets in both metal and resin barrels (click 'l'artillerie' in the left menu):

 

http://www.lahoche.fr

 

 

 

 

[Fritzlindsay]

WOW he has exorbitant prices for cannon barrels.  Are any of his patterns correct?  The Gribeauval system came into use in 1765 and they look nothing like what he is offering for that time period.   Below is the Gribeauval pattern on the left and the chart on the la hoche website.  

Fritz

[Lieste]

Marine pattern iron guns are not interchangeable with field or siege artillery in bronze.

[Fritzlindsay]

On 12/10/2024 at 7:37 AM, Lieste said:

Marine pattern iron guns are not interchangeable with field or siege artillery in bronze.

Thank you Lieste.  What pattern was used by the navy if the Gribeauval was for field artillery only.   

Fritz

[Lieste]

There are various ordinances, reglements over the years, I see records for 1674, 1685, 1689, 1721, 1758 (which iirc is Maritz), 1766, 1779 (which had short and long patterns for most of the smaller natures {possibly the second Maritz, but unsure) and 1786 (6-36 livres, with short pattern for the 8 and 6, as well as brass 24 and 18 livre guns and the 1 livre perrier... and followed in 1787 by 4 livre, long and short and the brass Obusier de Vaisseau, which system is the Manson pattern)

I've mostly been interested in the long serving Manson guns, and know their dimensions quite well, but have summary notes for the others ( taken from their tables of dimension and mouldings - length, wt and the number and general form of their mouldings in notes - all of the iron guns are *much* simpler than the corresponding brass guns, but there are more mouldings and two reinforces on the patterns before 1786, reduced for the Manson pattern to a single reinforce (but with a moulding half way on the reinforce for the two largest), and simpler breech forms. Further simplified for the 1820 no1 and no2 30 livres and the 1824 short patterns for 36, 24 and 18.

My currently open notes don't include the largest guns for the earlier periods, and the 18 was (initially) the largest type feasible with the 24 then 36 following as iron casting was perfected.

Edited December 15, 2024 by Lieste

[KLarsen]

Sorry for reviving this thread, but has anyone bought any of the cannons offered by Ancre and can tell if they are of good quality?
I'm thinking of buying some for my La Mahonesa cross section, and Ancre has confirmed that I can buy them piecemeal without having to buy a full set. They charge 4€ per cannon, which seems reasonable.
I would make them myself, but my Blender/3D skills are basically non existent...

[Fritzlindsay]

48 minutes ago, KLarsen said:

They charge 4€ per cannon, which seems reasonable.

If these are 3D printed resin barrels this is a crazy high price.  As mentioned above I have never paid more that about $US 0.80 per barrel including freight.

Find a 3D printer service within Spain and email them the 3D drawings of the ones you want.  There are drawings  by Ron Thibault that might be useful, depending on the nation and era you need.  https://thenrg.org/page-1075420   

 

I just looked at the Articles Data base and there are 2D drawings labeled Armstrong but they are not correct.  The ones shown are Armstrong Frederick pattern guns (circa 1760-1791) where as the Armstrong pattern guns were  made between about 1725 and 1759.

Fritz

[Lieste]

The main difference between the Armstrong and Armstrong Frederick is the addition of the raised vent field (suitable for the use of a gun lock), rather than a shallow vent pan on the surface of the reinforce. It is a cuboid of narrow width extending the height of the forward edge of the breech ring parallel to the reinforce and ending in a small radius bullnose meeting the centre of the vent astragal.

If there are other drafting changes they are minor enough to not be visually evident.

Edited Thursday at 12:31 AM by Lieste

[KLarsen]

34 minutes ago, Fritzlindsay said:

If these are 3D printed resin barrels this is a crazy high price.  As mentioned above I have never paid more that about $US 0.80 per barrel including freight.

Find a 3D printer service within Spain and email them the 3D drawings of the ones you want.  There are drawings  by Ron Thibault that might be useful, depending on the nation and era you need.  https://thenrg.org/page-1075420   

 

I just looked at the Articles Data base and there are 2D drawings labeled Armstrong but they are not correct.  The ones shown are Armstrong Frederick pattern guns (circa 1760-1791) where as the Armstrong pattern guns were  made between about 1725 and 1759.

Fritz

Thanks, however the Spanish guns on that page are almost 100 years too early, so I'd need to create the 3d model myself from the Ancre plans. And as I said, I don't have the skills to do that.

That's why I don't mind paying a higher price for 3d prints of the correct cannons from Ancre, if the quality is worth it.

[uss frolick]

I lathed out master barrels in brass for a 12-pounder long gun and a 32-pounder carronade, and took them down to my local pewter artist. He moulded off multiple copies of each for my USS Frolick project.

 

A posted the results few years ago:

 

 

[Fritzlindsay]

11 hours ago, Lieste said:

The main difference between the Armstrong and Armstrong Frederick is the addition of the raised vent field (suitable for the use of a gun lock),

The cyphers are different as there were two different kings in power for each of these patterns.  At tiny scales I agree most would not notice, but why use the wrong cypher and vent if it is only a matter of providing a different drawing to the 3D printer?  Makes no sense when it is only a matter of attaching one drawing or another to an email going to the printer doing the work.

 

Fritz

[Fritzlindsay]

11 hours ago, KLarsen said:

That's why I don't mind paying a higher price for 3d prints of the correct cannons from Ancre, if the quality is worth it.

Can you post a picture of the guns from Ancre?

Thanks

Fritz

[KLarsen]

7 hours ago, Fritzlindsay said:

Can you post a picture of the guns from Ancre?

Thanks

Fritz

There are only some low resolution photos on the Ancre website:
https://ancre.fr/en/monograph/123-la-mahonesa-fregates-espagnoles-1789-9782382820131.html#/langue-1_2_serie_de_canons_au_1_48

Anyway I've got a friend of mine to create a 3d model of the cannons from the Ancre monography, if they turn out well I'll get them printed locally.

 

Thanks everyone!