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  1. On the road again, meeting Viccies, seeing colors that I´ve never seen ... Adapted the color of the 2018 version a bit. Funny, like the original, it reacts very much upon the light. Looks different every time ... Fixed the board that protects the hammock cranes from underneath. 🙂 Cheers, XXXDAn
  2. And one more piece finished 🙂 The material of the guns is still in discussion. Did the Vici n 1782 still have brass guns - as Bugler and McKay see as a possibility - or did she have already iron ones. As discussed before, I will keep you updated. So that was no. 2 out of four being ready now. Approx. 1780 and 1920 are done, 1805 and 2018 still to follow. Cheers, dafi
  3. Made the missing lids ... ... drilled the holes for the hinge ... ... fixed with the necessary distance ... ... and put in the lanyards. The half port lids need extra distance as fort the moulding. So the hinges are quite far out. Also put in the lanyards. Coming close to the finishing line 🙂 XXXDAn
  4. Thank you, this is where I got the basic idea from 🙂 But using the sprue I can choose the basic color and also can specify the ratio from internal to external diameter, as this one stays the same throughout the procedure. XXXDAn
  5. Final sprint in view 🙂 Take a sprue, drill a hole and ... ... heat it up and pull 🙂 After some tries I had suitable tubes of 0,7 mmm outside and 0,3 mm inside. Alined them on 0,3 mm wire to be able to cut without smashing them by rolling under a knife. Drilled some 0,75 mm in the right angle into the ship ... ... and glue the tubes in with a wire still as handling help. Checked the angle and checked the opening with a needle, then still applied some paint nice name "rotten leather" ;-). Then fixing the halliards, to unravel the thread did not work as they were too thin ... ... so held the thread tight onto a round edge and usied a sharpened needle in the right angle. Works rather easy ... ... prepared the ringbolt ... ... threaded the bold and lead the free part of the thread through the eye of the needle, pulled ... ... and a second go for the splice, some glue and - DONE !!! The port lids are waiting already 🙂 XXXDAn
  6. Hello Christian, I am following the contemporary model of 1765and this is how it is done there. I had a fast look onto other models, there much more often the fake frieze was even omitted, leaving a wooden square in the colored ground ... XXXDAn
  7. Once the irons being fixed one can see the difference in V1 to the actual version. As the first build just developed without further planing, it was not possible to fix all the irons properly as for the ports, so it was good to have a fall back version and to start anew 🙂 An after all this fiddling with the small tiny chain links it was good to fix something bigger in a decent size ... ... the port for the main tack, the batten for the channel board being fixed, some ringbolts to straighten the shrouds and the missing port lids ... ... splashed some paint ... ... the side half door lids with the painted frieze ... ... and the very elegant conduct of the lifting halliard of the foremost gun port lid 🙂 XXXDAn
  8. Thank you druxey. I am with you. But I wonder about the sources of Bugler and McKay. At least the Vic of 1737 was not found yet at the date of the release of their books, so less confusion then. XXXDAn
  9. Hello druxey and Gary, thank you for the input, always important to have this kind of questions and corrections. I was going through a lot of my sources lately and found the same kind of statement like Bugler´s at AOTS McKay, that made me believe some years ago, that the brass cannons were used on the Vic until this date. But he is even more vague about it. Now reading it more aware-fully, he also could have expressed that in general all the brass guns were replaced by the 1790ies. On the other hand he states that it is possible that before 1782 the Vic still had brass guns, without specifying if all of the guns or only the larger calibers. As McKay is largely based on Bugler, I would strongly guess, that he based his opinion upon Bugler´s book. I also remember a newer input after the discovery of the 1737 Victory, that this ship was the last major ship being fitted with an all brass ordnance. Did not locate the source again yet, but also do believe that this was in a video or news section, and do not know the quality of the sources that this statement was based on. All my other sources so far do not give a statement upon the gun´s material prior to 1782/1788. Cheers, Daniel
  10. Some more tinkering around happened ... Some 0,6 mm brass wire was bend on the template ... ... cut open ... ...collected ... ... alined ... ... and looks ok. Then soldered with homeopathic dosages of solder ... https://www.mediaharmonists.de/bilder/Sammler31/Victory-1765-Channel-irons_4796.jpg[/img] ... and blackened. XXXDAn
  11. Thank you Sirs, @druxey My understanding was, that the Vic of 1765 was first fitted with brass cannons and those being replaced by iron later on? Is this not correct? Have to look at my literature again. Cheers and Thank you, Daniel
  12. Some more thoughts about the color and patina on the guns. Something I realised was that the Humbrol bronze was much more reddisch then most of the guns I encountered so far. So the conclusion is not to only look for the patina but also for the color of the bare metal. First some shots from casts of reproductions Some historic barrels show interesting colorshadings, as to be seen in Wikipedia and also on youtube. Most of them are not reddish but brass like ... ... or almost black with hints of green. Look at this section of a fresh cast. Bare yellow metal inside, patina from the cast on the outside. Only the reproduction of the barral of the Vasa appears to have a reddish touch, even though after the cast the appearance was still yellowish. Also a gun from soleil Royale shows more reddish material (Thanks to Michel Saunier) The guns from Victory 1737 make believe a reddish color, but could be nothing than the patina. So I played with the basic color Still can´t decide upon 94 "Gold" end 92 the more reddish"Brass", The officiel "Bronze" 95 appears too reddish even for Vasa or Soleil. Any of the savants knowing more about the metallurgy of those times? What was the cast at Vasa's time made off? What at 1760 in England? And what like in 1860 in America? What does that mean about the basic color? Still looking for original bronze barrels from before 1780 with polished sides. XXXDAn
  13. Slow progress ... Next came the frieze: 3 colors ... ... first the middle one ... ... then into darkness they dwell ... ... then come the highlights ... ... gonna be fine enough 🙂 The same way the cherub was done. Then tried some shading for the bronze guns. The huibrol bronze was the first test. Some brown already helps a lot 🙂 From the museums one knows green or polished in brass-look. But how did they look in real life when in use? Questionmarks!!! XXXDAn
  14. Actually I am looking for both, brass and cast iron to show the difference in my slices 🙂 I have no idea when the marines started to polish everything for the polishing sake. Steel gives a choice of about 5 different recipes in one of his books, just can´t find the place right now. Bruzelius gives this short review of Brady´s recipes, http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/Seamanship/Fordyce(1837)_p47.html Blacking guns and shot. Coal-tar alone, or mixed with a little water, is the best thing for Blacking Guns and Shot. It should be laid on quite warm; and if the day be cold, a hot shot may with advantage be put into the Guns to warm the Metal, and make it take the Blacking better; due attention being previously paid to unloading. Lay the Stuff on as thin as possible, with Paint-brushes; using hot Salamanders or Bolts to keep it warm. If well laid on, and wiped afterwards with an oil-cloth occasionally, this process will prevent rust, and preserve the good look of the Guns for a length of time, without ever having recourse to washing with water. [p 48] It is useful to measure and keep a memorandum of the quantity of Blacking required for each of the operations. A Ten-gun Brig requires as follows:- For Blacking Rigging, ... 12 Gallons " Bends, ... 2 " " Yards, ... 3 " " Guns and Shot, ... 1 " The time now required for drying the Rigging, &c. may be most advantageously employed in completing Stores, Provisions, and Water. French recipe for blacking guns. To one Gallon of Vinegar put ten Ounces of Lampblack, and one Pound and a half of clean-sifted Iron-rust, and mix them well together. Lay this on the Guns, after a good coat of Black Paint, and rub it occasionally with a soft Oil-cloth. Here is Brady in the original https://books.google.de/books?id=wQxqa5K_zcgC&printsec=frontcover&hl=de&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false Page 389 to 393 If one looks in the net for life fire, one can find some brass cannons. From the american civil war those are usually quite polished and really shiny ... ... or a little bit more dull but still light in color. (OK, this one was wet by rain on top of it) But very interesting is the reproduced gun of the Vasa. When cast still shiny and lightcolored ... ... already darker when drilled ... ... and nicely brown when fired. XXXDAn
  15. For quite a while I am researching for a realistic appearance of the guns of the good ol´days. From the museums we know the green bronze guns or the shiny black painted cast iron guns. But what were the true colors? In early paintings of the 16XX some guns appear greenish, mixed with brownish ones in the same pictures. Could this be an indication of bronze and iron? Later on in the times of the cast iron guns they appear darker: blackish or anthrazit. For iron Steel provides us with some nice recipes based around vinegar, soot and oil, creating a oxide layer that protects. Did ever anybody tried this out? What color should be expected? Blackish? Dark brownish? Also, do theses recipes exist too for bronze guns? What color should be expected then? Here are some tests for ma little slice On the right as comparison the Humbrol/Revell bronze with a slight touch of brown casein paint. On the left a stronger brown, then some black added and number tree with a greenish touch. What could be the most realistic? XXXXDAn

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