Glenn-UK Posted January 4, 2014 Author #31 Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) Hi David I may be ahead of you with the small boat build but I'm at least 2 years behind you with the main build. The Manual indicates the small boats can be built within 2 weeks with evening work. I think it will take a bit more time than that. Fingers crossed parts arrive on Monday. I can then continue to work on the small boats as a low priority background task. I have decided to purchase the Amati plank bender as I think that will be essential for the main boat build. Edited January 4, 2014 by Glennard Quote Glenn (UK)
Patrick Haw Posted January 4, 2014 #32 Posted January 4, 2014 Hi Glennard, So sorry to read about your major snafu with the bulkheads, but glad you caught it early enough in the build to be able to remedy it. I kind of feel bad that none of us Caldercraft Victory builders caught it while you had the bulkheads dry-fitted...looking back at your earlier photos the misplaced bulkheads do sort of stand out like a sore thumb! Oh well, welcome to the wonderful world of building this model! My own build log is a veritable catalog of mistakes and fixes! Best of luck Quote Previous build HMS Victory by Patrick Haw - Caldercraft - Scale: 1/72 Current build HMS Enterprise by Patrick Haw - CAF - Scale 1:48
Glenn-UK Posted January 4, 2014 Author #33 Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) Hi Patrick. I agree to does stick out like a sore thumb now I look at it in isolation. I was so intent on numbering the bulkheads as per the sheet numbers it simply did not occur to me the etched sheet numbers would be different to the manual sheet numbers. JoTika were very helpful and apologetic, it seems they have only recently started to etch numbers on all the 5mm plywood sheets to aid kitting up the boxes. Glenn Edited January 4, 2014 by Glennard Quote Glenn (UK)
Glenn-UK Posted January 5, 2014 Author #34 Posted January 5, 2014 (edited) Completed the first planking on the small launch, this has now been sanded and coated with a watered down glue mixture and will be left overnight to dry. I have also dry fitted the bulkheads (except 6 which is walnut) to keel and deck for the small barge ship. Fingers crossed the replacement parts arrive tomorrow, I have our goods in at work on red alert. Edited January 5, 2014 by Glennard zoly99sask 1 Quote Glenn (UK)
mort stoll Posted January 8, 2014 #35 Posted January 8, 2014 Hi Glenn, Thanks for the reply. Mort Quote Current Build - Caldercraft Victory Completed - Artesiana Latina Swift, Harvey, MGS Prince de Neufchatel, Imai USS Susquehanna, Mamoli Constitution, Rattlesnake per Hunt Practium, Caldercraft Snake, Diana, Kammerlander Duke William Waiting to be Launched - Bluejacket Constitution Proud member of The New Jersey Ship Model Society
Glenn-UK Posted January 10, 2014 Author #36 Posted January 10, 2014 Good news, I have had confirmation of shipping from JoTika for the replacement parts, and according to the tracking service the goods are now out for delivery, it's going to be a busy weekend, trying to fit the boat build in. In the meantime here is a couple of picture of the small launch, it is nearing completion, only the Davit, twarks, stern seats, windass and gunwale left to fit, which should only take a couple of hours. The hull ribs has been the hardest task; having to careful split 3mm walnut strips into 1.5mm strips and then fit with a 4mm spacing ensuring the twarks will sit square to hull when installed. A small 4mm jig was used. I was glad to use the super phatic glue, takes a bit longer to set the CA glue but it's much easier to remove from the finger ends. Super phatic is a composite CA and wood glue which was recommended by my local model shop. I have painted the boat as per the manual. zoly99sask 1 Quote Glenn (UK)
Glenn-UK Posted January 10, 2014 Author #37 Posted January 10, 2014 Replacement arrived - I'm one very happy bunny! I have deleted a lot of my old posts as there were simply not relevant to this build. Task 1 I'm going to check, and the double check the bulkheads prior to the numbering them 1 to 18. Task 2 I'm going to check, and the double check the bulkhead positions when dry fitted. Task 3 I'm going to check, and the double check the bulkhead 1-18 positions prior to gluing. Quote Glenn (UK)
pompey2 Posted January 10, 2014 #38 Posted January 10, 2014 Hi Glenn I will be keeping an interested eye on your log, best of luck with it. I'm following the same journey but started a few years ago. I'm sure you will enjoy the kit. regards Nick Quote Current build USF Confederacy Previous log - HMS Victory
Shipyard sid Posted January 10, 2014 #39 Posted January 10, 2014 Greetings Glenn Good to hear you replacements have arrived, and you can restart your build. Just enjoy the next couple of years of this project and I will Enjoy following it. Best wishes. DAVID Quote
Glenn-UK Posted January 10, 2014 Author #40 Posted January 10, 2014 Got home from work and told the Admiral I was retiring to the Shipwrights office for the weekend. In the first 90 minutes I was able to remove the bulkheads, gun deck and keel from the sheets file as necessary and dry fit. The first cut The replacement parts Checking number of bulkheads! Start of the dry fit First dry fit and reference books I think this looks OK to me! zoly99sask 1 Quote Glenn (UK)
Shipyard sid Posted January 10, 2014 #41 Posted January 10, 2014 Hello gerrard Ok Glenn. I note all your steps prior to glueing, and I think you are trying to keep us on our toes. How about reducing the stern area to 2mm prior to glueing. Good luck . DAVID Quote
Patrick Haw Posted January 10, 2014 #42 Posted January 10, 2014 Hi Glenn, That looks much better...all the bulkheads in the right place and you're off and running again! Good luck with her. Patrick Quote Previous build HMS Victory by Patrick Haw - Caldercraft - Scale: 1/72 Current build HMS Enterprise by Patrick Haw - CAF - Scale 1:48
shihawk Posted January 10, 2014 #43 Posted January 10, 2014 Im hoping to start a VICTORY build in a few months time so ill be keeping a close watch on your log .Glad to see you finally got your replacements,it must have been very frustrating but at least now its full steam ahead.post plenty of pics , enjoy your build and good luck. Quote HMS Victory by Shihawk. Billing 1-75 wood finish
Glenn-UK Posted January 10, 2014 Author #44 Posted January 10, 2014 Thanks for the comments and fingers crossed all goes well this time. Another 2 1/2 hours work, Drilled 3mm support holes, noting I added some scrap 5mm ply for added support. I marked the beading line and removed excess (down to 2mm at edge) with David Plane, File and sandpaper. Took the plunge and glued stem and front keelson, now left to dry overnight. In meantime I removed all the other items from the 5mm ply sheets 1 to 6 and then decided to assembly the stand. Beading line work My David Plane 3mm fixing hole 3mm fixing hole supports Glued Stem and front keelson Stand assembly, I knew the reference books would be useful. 4 hours into the build. Should be able to spend some more time in shipwrights office tomorrow, but I do have other chores to do. Quote Glenn (UK)
Shipyard sid Posted January 10, 2014 #45 Posted January 10, 2014 Hello Glennard Well you are off and running. Now here comes your first prob. Your hole supports come to far down and will foul on your planking. See your period ship hand book page 20. regards DAVID Quote
Glenn-UK Posted January 10, 2014 Author #46 Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Hi David.Thanks for that. I had realised that but I'm really glad you've got my back as I'm sure there will be many more problems to overcome. I put them there for the drilling for added security. I have now trimmed ends which I had only used a touch of glue and checked all clear with bulkheads and planking runs. Edited January 10, 2014 by Glennard Quote Glenn (UK)
Glenn-UK Posted January 11, 2014 Author #47 Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) When checking the fitting for the masts and bow spirit whilst in dry fit mode, I noted the access hole in bulkhead 1 for the bow spirit was quite small. Checking the plans the bow spirit is a 12.7mm dowel without any reduction, therefore I think bulkhead 1 will need some work. I have done a bit this morning. See picture below. Bulkheads 2-18 have now been glued in position along with gun deck. I have double checked everything is ok! Checking Main Mast fits OK Checking Fore Mast fits OK Checking Bow Spirit fits OK, without bulkhead 1 Bulkheads glued Edited January 11, 2014 by Glennard mort stoll 1 Quote Glenn (UK)
Glenn-UK Posted January 11, 2014 Author #48 Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) Was able to get a bit more done this afternoon.A great tip in Keith Julier's book The New Model Ship Handbook was to bevel the end of the dummy barrel strip to aid fitting, without the need to soak in water for the small bend. It worked very well indeed.Bevelled endFitting dummy barrel stripsSpent a bit more time adjusting the bow spirit opening on bulkhead 1, now happy with the fitting.Glued bulkhead 1 to main assemblyCan't do much more at the moment until the glue sets. Edited January 11, 2014 by Glennard mort stoll 1 Quote Glenn (UK)
Glenn-UK Posted January 11, 2014 Author #49 Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) Thinking further ahead in the build I have noted some things in some build logs which are not in the manual. The first thing is the painting the dummy barrel strips and surrounding bulkheads black. This seems a good idea to me, are there any reasons not to do this prior to fitting the gun port strips? The second thing is related to the lining of gun port linings of the lower and middle gun decks. It strikes me there will not be much contact area for the linings especially the lined one's which are set back 1mm front edge after 2nd planking. I think it will be good idea to fix some small support batterns to the back of the gun port strips, around each gun port, prior to fixing the strips to the hull assembly. This means there will be better contact area for the linings which will be fitted much later in the build, as per the instruction manual. Does this makes sense as I can't see there being a problem, noting I will not be able to fit batterns to sides of gun ports which are close to bulkheads.? Edited January 11, 2014 by Glennard Quote Glenn (UK)
Shipyard sid Posted January 11, 2014 #50 Posted January 11, 2014 Hello Glennard Yes just paint them. Yes fit the supports now if you want , no prob. There are a couple of bulkheads that can be seen through the gunports. Just cut them clear of the port. I just used some square balsa for the supports. Good luck DAVID Quote
Glenn-UK Posted January 11, 2014 Author #51 Posted January 11, 2014 Hi David Thanks for that. Not going to get much time tomorrow as we have family coming for a visit but I hope to trim dummy barrel strips and fit the stern extensions and bow supports in morning before they arrive. Later on in day I hope to find some time to get gun port strips lined up so I can start fitting batterns and strips to hull during the week. jms777 1 Quote Glenn (UK)
Glenn-UK Posted January 12, 2014 Author #52 Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) Managed to get 90 minutes in the shipwrights office today.Started off fitting the stern extensions, checking they were square to bulkhead 18.Then fitted the bow supports, but had to reshape the top bow supports (40) to ensure the bow spirit would fit correctly.Also removed the excess from the dummy barrel strips and painted them black and bulkhead sides. Finally located quarterdeck (temporary) so that position of the top gun port strip could be determined (1mm above quarterdeck between bulkhead 6 to 9. Once the fist gun port strip was positioned I checked the positioning of the middle and lower gun port strip, to ensure the openings were clear of the bulkheads. Will work on this in earnest in my next session in the shipwrights workshop, where I will probably fit battens to the strips to provide a better contact area when the gun port linings takes place. Edited November 14, 2014 by Glennard Quote Glenn (UK)
Patrick Haw Posted January 12, 2014 #53 Posted January 12, 2014 Hi Glenn, If I were you I'd paint the entire area around the gun dummy barrel strips black...floor, bulwarks, the lot. They are all visible through the gun ports and unpainted wood will show with no way to fix it if you don't paint them now. Yes, fixing the ledges around the inside of the gun port openings now is a very good idea. It will save you a lot of time and grief later on when you line the gunports. You're doing fine, keep it up. Patrick Quote Previous build HMS Victory by Patrick Haw - Caldercraft - Scale: 1/72 Current build HMS Enterprise by Patrick Haw - CAF - Scale 1:48
Shipyard sid Posted January 12, 2014 #54 Posted January 12, 2014 Hello Glenn Yes paint the entire area like Patrick said. Take your time fitting the first gunport pattern 270, don't rush it. The other patterns should be no problem then. Like I said earlier don't worry if one of the rear bulkheads shows slightly in one of the ports , I think most of us had that happen, It will sort later. You are making good progress. Keep it going .David Quote
Glenn-UK Posted January 12, 2014 Author #55 Posted January 12, 2014 Hi Patrick Many thanks for the advise, I will revisit the black painting as I continue to test fitted the gun ports strips to check what bits I have missed, as you say probably the floor areas. I also need to pay a visit to the local model shop to get some balsa strips for the gun port battens, trouble is the shop shuts at 4 and I finish work at 5 and its too far away to get there in my lunch 30 minutes. So I will also check the local late opening DIY store to see if they have suitable strips of wood. Also looking for some 1mm shims to confirm final position of top gun port strips at bulkheads 6 to 9. I have filed down a strip of wood to approx 1mm but need to borrow a micrometer from our engineering dept. to confirm dims. Quote Glenn (UK)
Glenn-UK Posted January 12, 2014 Author #56 Posted January 12, 2014 Hi David I plan to take my time with the first gun port strips as you suggest as I know it is very important to get right. I could have pushed on with it tonight but realised it would have been foolhardy to do so. I note your comments on the rear bulkheads, as any excess can be filed away. Quote Glenn (UK)
Ensign Posted January 13, 2014 #57 Posted January 13, 2014 Hi Glenn, Thanks for the tip on the bowsprit, I will open mine up now. I posted elsewhwere in the forum a note re the drilling of gun port strips for the dummy gun barrels, I repeat here in case you didn't spot it. I drilled the holes in the strips to 1.7mm instead of 2mm as the instructions say. I found 2mm holes are just too big and result in a sloppy fit. I also drilled them after I fitted the gun port patterns instead of later in the build, they need to be slightly below center to allow the guns to sit in the correct position. Regards Gary Quote
Glenn-UK Posted January 13, 2014 Author #58 Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) Hi Gary Thanks for the heads up once, hopefully we can help each other along the way, do you have a build log? Once I have the gun port strips fitted I will look at the fitting for the dummy gun barrels and note your comments regarding using a 1.7mmm drill. Glenn Edited January 13, 2014 by Glennard Quote Glenn (UK)
Ensign Posted January 13, 2014 #59 Posted January 13, 2014 Hi Glenn, No I don't have a build log yet, that's on the to do list. Further to the drilling of dummy gun barrel strips, I used a jig comprised of a block of wood cut to fit the gun ports, leave a little romm for movement since the ship and jig must be level to ensure all the holes are correctly located, clamp the ship on the stand and use a miniature spirit level on the deck and also on the jig when it's inserted in the gun port. The wooden block should be about 3" long, a hole was then drilled through the block about 2mm below centre front to back using my drill press to make sure the drill went through vertically. This setup should give you the best chance to align the holes in a consistent manner. Hope this is clear enough for you to follow. The Admiral and I are visiting Victory in late May, pity her masts are off, last saw her in 1997 so will have to be content with that. Gary Seventynet 1 Quote
Glenn-UK Posted January 13, 2014 Author #60 Posted January 13, 2014 Hi I to have plans to visit the Victory sometime this year. Quote Glenn (UK)
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