Greek Galiot by Robert V802 - Amati

[Robert V802]

I have been avidly reading everything on the site and decided to join the fun.  Working on a galiot and got as far as the first hull plank before a snag.  Luckily, help was right there - thank you, Thanasis and Jean-Pierre !

Progress up to now -

Edited February 12, 2014 by Robert V802

[Craigie65]

Looks interesting - mind if I pull up a chair and watch your build?

[dgbot]

You picked a model that will give you some interesting moments.  I built this model years ago when I still had a full head of hair.  But I will be glad to give you any advise you need if my feeble memory can remember. 

David B

[Alfie63]

What an interesting model. I think I will follow your build through.

 

Regards

 

Andrew

 

[Robert V802]

All are welcome and please, if you have a better idea, please tell me.  I am now old enough to know that I hardly know anything.

 

Robert

[dgbot]

There is an old saying in this hobby. The more you learn the more you do not know.

David B

[Robert V802]

Question - With a bluff bow, how does one stop the clinker hull effect ?  After 5 planks down from the deck, the problem is here.  I have noticed on some bluff bow models it appears that 5 or 6 planks are almost horizontal from the deck down and then it appears that remainder of the planks go from the keel up and run almost vertical at the bow. Will this help ?

[dgbot]

This is one of the interesting parts.  The planks are straight run for the top ones.  What I did was literally make card templates for the rest.  Since there are no stealers you will have to bend and shape every plank to fit.  It will take some practice but if you like the end result you did it right. Check out the English Long Boat Logs and they will give you a good idea of what I am describing.

David B.

[Thanasis]

Hi Robert. I wish you to have a nice journey making this model.

See the drawing from the book "Planking model ships" by Richard Mansir, to see how the planks should be in 

sequence...This is what I meant, when I wrote you for  "some cuts close to the edges".

I suggest to follow David's method with card templates.

Thanks

[Robert V802]

Thanasis - thank you for the info and the pic.  I have cut a 10 mm wide garboard plank and will start from the keel and go up a few planks.  Since I plan on painting the hull anyway, I thought to use some drops or stealers. 

[dgbot]

Robert one of the rules in planking is the type or design of a hull. If you can get a copy of Monfeldt's book on ship modeling he can show you the different ways it was done depending on the area and time. Many of the mediterranean vessels were built without stealers. They were built with the hull planking first and the frame and supports were put in later. In Europe it was frame first then the planking was added. This is the reason for the straight run of planking. If my memory is correct your kit is single planked. I wish I could find the photos I took all those years ago to show what I am talking about. That is why I suggested going to look at the English Longboats. To further your research Google galleys and check out the results. The end result will be your choice and what you are happy and satisfied with. Satisfaction and enjoyment in your work is the greatest and most important rule of all. If you are having a good time that is all that counts.

David B

[Robert V802]

Well, finished planking the lower hull.  I am happy - done much worse. 

[Alfie63]

Looking really good Robert. Lovely shape to the hull on this model.

 

Andrew

[dgbot]

Looking good.   Keep up the work.

David B

[Robert V802]

Thanks for the encouragement, guys.  Now, onto the bulwarks !

[Robert V802]

Had a whole day alone yesterday to work, talk about luck ! Bulwarks are done but I have a couple of questions.

 

First, are the red inner bulwarks continued right up to the bowsprit or do they stop at the front bulkhead ? I can not tell from the pics.

 

Second, did you use the precut plywood railing atop the bulwarks or scratch it.  My curve at the top of the bulwark seems a little too curvy and the plywood to stiff.  Can one soak ply like solid wood ?

 

Third, those "clamps" that go from the top rail to the wale - how does one go about setting up the spacing so it all fits.  Instructions show these clamps installed in step "V" but the top rail in put on in step "F"  Any ideas ?

 

Anyway - here are some new pics:

[Thanasis]

Hi Robert. Sorry but it's been a long time ago that I built the model and  I haven't kept the manual neither the model... 

But just now I remembered a friend of mine that he had built the same model and he had post photos of her construction in another forum (I think here as well but in MSW 1.0)

Take a look at his photos in the below link and I hope you find some answers.

http://shipmodeling.net/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=643

Thx

Edited March 4, 2014 by Thanasis

[dgbot]

If memory serves me correctly i used red all the way to the bow.  You are doing well.  Be careful when you start buiding up the bow some of those shapes can be confusing.

David B

[Robert V802]

Hey - Thank you for the info. The bow was giving me a bad feeling but with some advice and the pics from Thanasis' friend, it is so much clearer.

 

Again - thank you both 1

 

Robert

[WHGreca]

Robert - Hope you're continuing this build. I just started this same kit and I see some of the issues you've run into. I'll be starting the hull planking soon, and I'm hoping to start my own build log soon. Trying to take lots of photos and using other build logs here as examples.

 

I've actually been building ship models way too long ago to admit. Each one seems to present its own, unique challenges.

 

Enjoying reading your notes here and think you're a great job. Thanks for your inspiration!