scottpollack Posted May 19, 2014 Share #1 Posted May 19, 2014 I'm not sure if this is the correct spot for this question but I will start here. I am in the middle of reading " Columbus: The Four Voyages" by Laurence Bergreen. Its really a great read and very insightful as to who Columbus was. But here is my question - Why do we still celebrate Columbus Day? According to the book, Chris, while searching for a water route to the Indies and China found and sailed to Cuba 4 times. He NEVER landed on the North American continent or even South America for that matter. Also, it's been proven time and again that the Norse, Scandanavians and some even say the Chinese were here hundreds of years Earlier. So why is it still taught in schools and history books that he discovered America? Can anyone shed some light on this for me? flying_dutchman2 1 Quote current build : model shipways willie bennett " Never make a promise that you can't keep , a man's word is his honor" Scott I Pollack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted May 20, 2014 Share #2 Posted May 20, 2014 Scott, It's tradition... but without the adult beverages and great food of St. Patrick's Day and Cinco de Mayo. Just two examples, I'm sure there's others but just too lazy to think about them. Seriously, once upon a time, the CC supporters were numerous and heavy into politics. The tradition still lives. If you talk to a Native American, how can something they always knew, be found? It wasn't lost to them. flying_dutchman2 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippwj Posted May 20, 2014 Share #3 Posted May 20, 2014 t's tradition... but without the adult beverages and great food of St. Patrick's Day and Cinco de Mayo. You are obviously not of Italian heritage, Mark. In the old 'hood, there abundant adult beverages. Of course, the families all came over in the early 1900's. I will need to see if I can find it, but the Congressional Research Service recently released a brief report on Federal holidays that had some info on the history of Columbus Day. Became a Federal holiday in 1937. It would require an act of congress to un-holiday the day. I think the allure of Columbus is it reflects the spirit of exploration, where even a failed expedition results in something new. There are many tantalizing tidbits that may indicate an earlier visit to North America than 1492, but Columbus had an effective PR and marketing firm. As to not making it to the continent - he did not have a visa and Customs wouldn't let him land.... Blaming Columbus for the actions of his sponsoring government is like blaming the pilgrims for the Red Sox trading Babe Ruth. mtaylor and flying_dutchman2 2 Quote WayneNeither should a ship rely on one small anchor, nor should life rest on a single hope.Epictetus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force9 Posted May 20, 2014 Share #4 Posted May 20, 2014 I thought Columbus had landed in Honduras and/or Nicaragua on one of his voyages?? Quote Current Builds: The White Star Liner TITANIC - Trumpeter 1/200 Old Ironsides - Revisiting the classic Revell 1/96 USS Constitution kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippwj Posted May 20, 2014 Share #5 Posted May 20, 2014 Boy, was I wrong on my dates, at least according to the CRS: In 1968, Columbus Day was made a federal holiday. Several reasons were offered for creating Columbus Day at the federal level. Among the most prominent was that observance was already an established holiday in 45 states. By also commemorating Columbus’s voyage to the New World, Congress believed that the nation would be honoring the courage and determination which enabled generations of immigrants from many nations to find freedom and opportunity in America. Such a holiday would, according to a Senate report, also provide “an annual reaffirmation by the American people of their faith in the future, a declaration of willingness to face with confidence the imponderables of unknown tomorrows.” HOWEVER - the researcher at CRS may have gotten historical notes crossed, so to speak (it is rather uncommon to find a factual mistake of this sort in the reports they issue!). The citation provided for the 1968 (P.L. 90-363, 82 Stat. 250-251, June 28, 1968; 5 U.S.C. §6103) is actually the Monday Holiday Act of 1968, which moved observance for most Federal holidays to a Monday. The actual date it appears to have been a Federal Holiday was in the Act of April 30, 1934 (ch. 184, 48 stat. 657). In that act, the date was set as October 12th. flying_dutchman2 and mtaylor 2 Quote WayneNeither should a ship rely on one small anchor, nor should life rest on a single hope.Epictetus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottpollack Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share #6 Posted May 20, 2014 WOW!! Now that is really interesting. So we don't actually celebrate Chris' " discovery" so much as what he represented. Now that makes sense and curbs my "rage". Thank you Wayne for your research. It's greatly appreciated! Scott Quote current build : model shipways willie bennett " Never make a promise that you can't keep , a man's word is his honor" Scott I Pollack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted May 22, 2014 Share #7 Posted May 22, 2014 Scott; I wondered about this holiday as well and my wife who is 1/4 Chippewa always thought it was a joke as she tells whoever brings it up that the native Americans where on this continent way before anyone else. She also thinks there should be "Native American" day. They have a holiday for every ethnic minority but not them. Wayne; Interesting information. Thanks for sharing. Marc Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottpollack Posted May 22, 2014 Author Share #8 Posted May 22, 2014 Marc, I agree. more than anybody else, the Native Americans deserve to have a day to be recognized. It's sad that we don't do it flying_dutchman2 1 Quote current build : model shipways willie bennett " Never make a promise that you can't keep , a man's word is his honor" Scott I Pollack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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