roach101761 Posted January 30, 2015 Share #1 Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) I am building an 1815, 80 ton US revenue cutter. The Doughty Large plan in Chapelle's book. It is actually the AL kit of Dallas. I am to the point where I must begin planning the rigging. There are obvious errors in the AL plans. As the vessel has no ratlines(this is correct by the way), I determined long ago that the Topsail was bent to the spar on deck and then hoisted flying. My understanding of this term is that with the use of the halliard/halyard the the topsail yard with the sail bent to it is then hauled up to the peak of the topmast. Remember that there is a sheave up there running through the top mast in order to hoist the yard and sail.This also means that there are no stirrups on the topsail yard. In larger Square rigged ships, Sky and moon sails would be set in a similar fashion, although not from the deck, but most likely from the tops. Because it is set flying, no one will go up to furl the sail. If not needed it would be lowered to the deck. Therefor no need for the bunt lines,leech lines or reef points. MY PROBLEM IS HOW WOULD THE SHEET LINES and BRACES BE DEALT WITH? I have looked at and reviewed the following plan sets while searching for a solution. AL Dallas- The kit does not have sails and no rigging plan for sails is included. Model Shipways, Pride of Baltimore II--This is a double topsail schooner and a much larger vessel than the Dallas Kit. It has Ratlines. However the top gallant yard can be a fill in for the practice. Just so happens that the top gallant spar is lowered to the level of the cross trees, so the yardr and sail can be handled from that point. Corel USS Ranger Kit plans--No Revenue cutter Ranger existed in 1823 and this kit is actually based on the mid size William Doughty plan(56 tons) of 1815 vintage. This kit comes with sails but has obvious errors. The sheet lines are just tied off to the yard below. There are no ratlines on this kit either, but yet the topsail has reef points. The yard has no stirrups. For this vessel size and the DALLAS size, I think that he sail is relatively small, therefore no need for reef points. It is simply set or not set. The original Pride-- Also a double topsail schooner but smaller than Pride II. I have no plans but photos of the ship in the Pride of Baltimore book by Gillmer show a relatively small topsail sheeted to the main square sail yard below it. The photo shows no detail. Various line drawings in many books just show that the sail is sheeted to the yard below it. Halifax(1760s) 83 tons by Hahn--the one sheet on the rigging is disappointing. It does not provide the detail necessary. Model Shipways Sultana(1760s) 52 tons--I think the answer lies here but I am not sure. The topsail yard has a halliard to lift it in place and actually has a down haul to help control it on its way down, but the sheet lines are unclear. Also it has ratlines but no stirrups on the yard. Also when the Brits took Halifax and Sultana into service the re rigging is a bit beefy. Most of the sheet lines in plans for ships seem to run through sheaves set in the spar below it. See Cutter Alert. In my case it would be the Main Square Sail Yard. This yard is present on all of the plans listed above and the Main Square Sail would only be used in light winds. See several Chapelle drawings in the The History of American Sailing Ships. The Square Sail Yard would also be lowered to the deck to have the sail bent to the yard and the sail was spread with a square sail boom. Some of the Chapelle drawings show this. However the Top Sail was more routinely used as the the sail provided more control of the vessel, especially in a constricted seaway. Petersson's Period fore and aft craft show the sheets of the fore top gallant run through sheaves on the yard below. The vessel depicted is also a larger double topsail schooner. Back to Sultana--I have reviewed Chuck Passaro's practicum on building the Model Shipways kit. He states that the topsail sheet is run through a block attached to the main and fore yards. I have not seen the plans to Lively, nor at this time do I have access to them. IF THE TOPSAIL IS SET FLYING THIS MEANS THE FOLLOWING--- The topsail sheets(2) and the topsail yard braces(2)--a total of 4 lines, 2 starboard and 2 port, will follow the yard all the way down to the deck for the sail to be bent or unbent. AND what happens to the topsail sheets when the topsail is unbent from the yard? Are they belayed somewhere on deck waiting for use still rove through the blocks on the fore yard? I am trying to determine if my conclusion is correct. Phil Roach Edited February 16, 2015 by roach101761 robin b 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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