Mike Dowling

Nice job, Mike. She looks great.

Greetings!!
I hadn't realised it was over a month since I reported in but here I am.
 
Firstly I must include my sincere thanks to Dan Vadas and Capt.Al without whom reaching the stage I am at would have been quite impossible and so I really want to express my gratitude to them both.
 
Well folks, after much thought and heavy persuasion from members of the family who told me my boat would not be complete without them, I decided to go for broke and put sails on the beast !!!
 
I failed to follow advice from those on MSW and put the yards on first because I decided to follow the order of my woefully inadequate parts list. There was after all a great deal of rigging to do once they were on and before sails were added. Someone had said attach the sails to the yards first but in all honesty I was glad I didn't as I could never have attached the yards properly with sails attached.
However I must be equally honest and say that attaching sails afterwards has been very fiddly but then this whole rigging lark is.
 
It is quite amusing in a way - the instruction booklet I have has some photos in it but there are at least two if not three different rigging setups. The parts list is different again, it is completely different from the AL version and the McKay book! Suffice to say that thus far I have had to use average opinion and an amount of what I like to call 'maritime licence' !!!
 
I know there are one or two bits that are totally wrong and the same that could be right. Apparently when Capt. Bligh took on the ship he re rigged it anyway to suit himself so I am quite sure there must be several acceptable ways.
 
Anyway, I now have all the 'forward' facing sails on and rigged. I still have what I call the 'sideways' sails to do, the lifeboat to fix on, the open side to 'accessorise' and some general tidying up to do before I can call it finished. I'll let you see it when it's done.  
 

 

 

 

Greetings!!
I hadn't realised it was over a month since I reported in but here I am.
 
Firstly I must include my sincere thanks to Dan Vadas and Capt.Al without whom reaching the stage I am at would have been quite impossible and so I really want to express my gratitude to them both.
 
Well folks, after much thought and heavy persuasion from members of the family who told me my boat would not be complete without them, I decided to go for broke and put sails on the beast !!!
 
I failed to follow advice from those on MSW and put the yards on first because I decided to follow the order of my woefully inadequate parts list. There was after all a great deal of rigging to do once they were on and before sails were added. Someone had said attach the sails to the yards first but in all honesty I was glad I didn't as I could never have attached the yards properly with sails attached.
However I must be equally honest and say that attaching sails afterwards has been very fiddly but then this whole rigging lark is.
 
It is quite amusing in a way - the instruction booklet I have has some photos in it but there are at least two if not three different rigging setups. The parts list is different again, it is completely different from the AL version and the McKay book! Suffice to say that thus far I have had to use average opinion and an amount of what I like to call 'maritime licence' !!!
 
I know there are one or two bits that are totally wrong and the same that could be right. Apparently when Capt. Bligh took on the ship he re rigged it anyway to suit himself so I am quite sure there must be several acceptable ways.
 
Anyway, I now have all the 'forward' facing sails on and rigged. I still have what I call the 'sideways' sails to do, the lifeboat to fix on, the open side to 'accessorise' and some general tidying up to do before I can call it finished. I'll let you see it when it's done.  
 

 

 

 

Greetings!!
I hadn't realised it was over a month since I reported in but here I am.
 
Firstly I must include my sincere thanks to Dan Vadas and Capt.Al without whom reaching the stage I am at would have been quite impossible and so I really want to express my gratitude to them both.
 
Well folks, after much thought and heavy persuasion from members of the family who told me my boat would not be complete without them, I decided to go for broke and put sails on the beast !!!
 
I failed to follow advice from those on MSW and put the yards on first because I decided to follow the order of my woefully inadequate parts list. There was after all a great deal of rigging to do once they were on and before sails were added. Someone had said attach the sails to the yards first but in all honesty I was glad I didn't as I could never have attached the yards properly with sails attached.
However I must be equally honest and say that attaching sails afterwards has been very fiddly but then this whole rigging lark is.
 
It is quite amusing in a way - the instruction booklet I have has some photos in it but there are at least two if not three different rigging setups. The parts list is different again, it is completely different from the AL version and the McKay book! Suffice to say that thus far I have had to use average opinion and an amount of what I like to call 'maritime licence' !!!
 
I know there are one or two bits that are totally wrong and the same that could be right. Apparently when Capt. Bligh took on the ship he re rigged it anyway to suit himself so I am quite sure there must be several acceptable ways.
 
Anyway, I now have all the 'forward' facing sails on and rigged. I still have what I call the 'sideways' sails to do, the lifeboat to fix on, the open side to 'accessorise' and some general tidying up to do before I can call it finished. I'll let you see it when it's done.  
 

 

 

 

Greetings!!
I hadn't realised it was over a month since I reported in but here I am.
 
Firstly I must include my sincere thanks to Dan Vadas and Capt.Al without whom reaching the stage I am at would have been quite impossible and so I really want to express my gratitude to them both.
 
Well folks, after much thought and heavy persuasion from members of the family who told me my boat would not be complete without them, I decided to go for broke and put sails on the beast !!!
 
I failed to follow advice from those on MSW and put the yards on first because I decided to follow the order of my woefully inadequate parts list. There was after all a great deal of rigging to do once they were on and before sails were added. Someone had said attach the sails to the yards first but in all honesty I was glad I didn't as I could never have attached the yards properly with sails attached.
However I must be equally honest and say that attaching sails afterwards has been very fiddly but then this whole rigging lark is.
 
It is quite amusing in a way - the instruction booklet I have has some photos in it but there are at least two if not three different rigging setups. The parts list is different again, it is completely different from the AL version and the McKay book! Suffice to say that thus far I have had to use average opinion and an amount of what I like to call 'maritime licence' !!!
 
I know there are one or two bits that are totally wrong and the same that could be right. Apparently when Capt. Bligh took on the ship he re rigged it anyway to suit himself so I am quite sure there must be several acceptable ways.
 
Anyway, I now have all the 'forward' facing sails on and rigged. I still have what I call the 'sideways' sails to do, the lifeboat to fix on, the open side to 'accessorise' and some general tidying up to do before I can call it finished. I'll let you see it when it's done.  
 

 

 

 

Greetings all!
 
An update for you. I have now completed all the masts and the yards complete with pulleys, blocks, foot ropes, spars etc. Sure was a long job, I don't find tapering one of my favourite tasks.
 
The observant amongst you will notice that I have pre-threaded all the blocks etc under the foremast platform as I can't for the life of me see how they could be threaded once the shrouds and ratlines are in place.
 
Do you think this is good idea and if so should I do the same for the other masts?
 
My task now as I am sure you know is to knit this lot together! It's going to be a long haul!
 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Mike,
 
Your rigging truly looks wonderful and I hope you are proud!
 
I can't be too much help myself sorry as I have not yet attempted to put sails on something so complicated, but yes I have read too about attaching sails to the yards before attaching the yards to the masts.
 
It would be a shame to hide your incredible work, but on the other hand there is nothing that looks finer than a sailing ship with full sails.  And then just to prove me wrong there are some wonderful examples of ships with furled sails that are a cross between two perfections.
 
Again, please take my advice with a grain of salt based on my experience, but is it worth trying your hand at one set of sails, both fully out (I doubt that is the correct term) and one furled and see what you are happiest with yourself?  Keeping in mind your Bounty looks SO good that it would be a real shame to do the sails in a way that you didn't like yourself.
 
I hope that makes sense and good luck with your decision!!

OK fans, this is where I am!
 
I have done all the standing rigging I can until I have to fit the yards.
 
I am told that, if I am going to fit sails onto the boat I should attach the sails to the yards before attaching the yards to the masts.
 
I am at that stage and would value the considered opinions of anyone out there who cares - do I try to put sails on the boat or not?
 
It is completely new territory for me as I have never done it before.
 
I eagerly await your responses!
 

 

 
 

OK fans, this is where I am!
 
I have done all the standing rigging I can until I have to fit the yards.
 
I am told that, if I am going to fit sails onto the boat I should attach the sails to the yards before attaching the yards to the masts.
 
I am at that stage and would value the considered opinions of anyone out there who cares - do I try to put sails on the boat or not?
 
It is completely new territory for me as I have never done it before.
 
I eagerly await your responses!
 

 

 
 

OK fans, this is where I am!
 
I have done all the standing rigging I can until I have to fit the yards.
 
I am told that, if I am going to fit sails onto the boat I should attach the sails to the yards before attaching the yards to the masts.
 
I am at that stage and would value the considered opinions of anyone out there who cares - do I try to put sails on the boat or not?
 
It is completely new territory for me as I have never done it before.
 
I eagerly await your responses!
 

 

 
 

Hi Mike,
 
Glad to see you have completed the Standing rigging - everything looks as it should .
 
BTW, I confused myself in the PM reply earlier - the kit I was referring to that had the garbage rigging diagrams was AL's HMS Supply, not their Bounty which had quite good rigging plans. I think I still have them somewhere, so if you need any help with the Running rigging feel free to ask. In any case, the only things that change from ship to ship in this period are some of the belaying points - most other rigging is pretty well the same.
 
  Danny

Have been wondering about rolled up sails on my own build so i think i have some idea of your quandry . The only advice i can offer is that in my opinion if sails are not done to a very realistic standard they can spoil an otherwise outstanding build ,and i am in no way doubting your ability to achieve this but as you said it is completely new to you . Other say it,s a pity to hide all that rigging with sails  and then some say a build is not complete without sails  . Im sorry not much help ,others more experienced may have better advice ?

Thank you all for your kind comments.
Captain Al has very kindly sent me some pictures of rigging which are proving to be very useful but Capt.Fisher if you can send more I am grateful for any/all contributions. The rigging is proving harder than I thought and I am only able to follow the order in the parts list to give me any clue.
 
I can't believe Al that you tried to count the knots - you really should get out more! But, in answer to your question about wood, I know I am very careful not to waste anything but I have more than enough wood for this kit. I have always found OcCreto be not exactly generous but ample with their supplies.
 
Maybe I should have a word with the forum moderators and see if I can create a new list of 'words' for the use of frustrated modellers!
 
I must also add a big thank you to Dan Vadas who was a tremendous help with regard to the placing of shrouds and without him I would not be where I have got to.

Nice to know you're still working on Bounty.  So am I, but I'm still bogged down in the planking phase.  You've done fantastic in all phases of your build.  What would you say was the hardest part so far?  Its great that you can get such good support here on MSW.  I don't post to my log any more cause it seems no-one is watching.  But I do get answers to questions if I post them in other forums.  BTW, just a rough count but it looks like you must have 1112 knots just to complete the ratlines.  That doesn't include attachment points or any other lines.

Hi Mike,
 
I agree with Bindy - your rigging, esp the shrouds looks great. Tight and well-shaped... A lot of knots...
 
Pls continue and keep us on the way...
 
Best wishes
 
Cheerio
 
Max

Weeel, Mike,  you are a speed-runner! Great job! Wish I could also have that much time!
About the plans - I cannot see anything better than 'The Anatomy...". Do you have it? I can mail it to you if you want.
As a reward, please send me the record of swear words that Bindy mentioned    I'll need it very soon, I hope

Hi Mike,
 
Wow!  I am still amazed at the quality of your work as you are so new to the hobby yourself.  Your shrouds look fantastic!
 
Although you have lots count of the number of knots, I hope you are keeping a record of the new and creative swear words so that you can use them on special occasions 

Hi there viewers!
 
An update for you. After a great deal of eye strain, some new terms of abuse invented and at times a serious loss of sense of humour I have completed the shrouds on the sides of the boat and the ratlines !! I now fully understand why people build plastic model ships with pre- formed ratlines etc. I thought for fun I might count the number of hand tied knots but gave up after about 800 ! 
 
I did have to redo all the deadeyes on the fore and main masts as I made a complete mess of them first time. I learned a lot from it and my second attempt whilst not perfect I am certainly more pleased with.
 
 
 
 

 

 

 

 
 
Now of course I have to deal with the rest of the standing rigging. Does anyone have some decent diagrams/plans of the rest of the rigging that you could send me from a similar build. My plans are dreadful and I really don't want to put rigging in the wrong places and spoil what I have done so far.
 
 

Hi there viewers!
 
An update for you. After a great deal of eye strain, some new terms of abuse invented and at times a serious loss of sense of humour I have completed the shrouds on the sides of the boat and the ratlines !! I now fully understand why people build plastic model ships with pre- formed ratlines etc. I thought for fun I might count the number of hand tied knots but gave up after about 800 ! 
 
I did have to redo all the deadeyes on the fore and main masts as I made a complete mess of them first time. I learned a lot from it and my second attempt whilst not perfect I am certainly more pleased with.
 
 
 
 

 

 

 

 
 
Now of course I have to deal with the rest of the standing rigging. Does anyone have some decent diagrams/plans of the rest of the rigging that you could send me from a similar build. My plans are dreadful and I really don't want to put rigging in the wrong places and spoil what I have done so far.
 
 

Hi there viewers!
 
An update for you. After a great deal of eye strain, some new terms of abuse invented and at times a serious loss of sense of humour I have completed the shrouds on the sides of the boat and the ratlines !! I now fully understand why people build plastic model ships with pre- formed ratlines etc. I thought for fun I might count the number of hand tied knots but gave up after about 800 ! 
 
I did have to redo all the deadeyes on the fore and main masts as I made a complete mess of them first time. I learned a lot from it and my second attempt whilst not perfect I am certainly more pleased with.
 
 
 
 

 

 

 

 
 
Now of course I have to deal with the rest of the standing rigging. Does anyone have some decent diagrams/plans of the rest of the rigging that you could send me from a similar build. My plans are dreadful and I really don't want to put rigging in the wrong places and spoil what I have done so far.
 
 

Sorry can,t help with rigging plans but you have done a fantastic job so far !! Been considering this for my next build but that,s a long way away  it certainly looks impressive .Is the 1;45 harder or easier than a 1;75 ,more detail possible i suppose ??

Hi there viewers!
 
An update for you. After a great deal of eye strain, some new terms of abuse invented and at times a serious loss of sense of humour I have completed the shrouds on the sides of the boat and the ratlines !! I now fully understand why people build plastic model ships with pre- formed ratlines etc. I thought for fun I might count the number of hand tied knots but gave up after about 800 ! 
 
I did have to redo all the deadeyes on the fore and main masts as I made a complete mess of them first time. I learned a lot from it and my second attempt whilst not perfect I am certainly more pleased with.
 
 
 
 

 

 

 

 
 
Now of course I have to deal with the rest of the standing rigging. Does anyone have some decent diagrams/plans of the rest of the rigging that you could send me from a similar build. My plans are dreadful and I really don't want to put rigging in the wrong places and spoil what I have done so far.
 
 

Hi there viewers!
 
An update for you. After a great deal of eye strain, some new terms of abuse invented and at times a serious loss of sense of humour I have completed the shrouds on the sides of the boat and the ratlines !! I now fully understand why people build plastic model ships with pre- formed ratlines etc. I thought for fun I might count the number of hand tied knots but gave up after about 800 ! 
 
I did have to redo all the deadeyes on the fore and main masts as I made a complete mess of them first time. I learned a lot from it and my second attempt whilst not perfect I am certainly more pleased with.
 
 
 
 

 

 

 

 
 
Now of course I have to deal with the rest of the standing rigging. Does anyone have some decent diagrams/plans of the rest of the rigging that you could send me from a similar build. My plans are dreadful and I really don't want to put rigging in the wrong places and spoil what I have done so far.
 
 

Hi there viewers!
 
An update for you. After a great deal of eye strain, some new terms of abuse invented and at times a serious loss of sense of humour I have completed the shrouds on the sides of the boat and the ratlines !! I now fully understand why people build plastic model ships with pre- formed ratlines etc. I thought for fun I might count the number of hand tied knots but gave up after about 800 ! 
 
I did have to redo all the deadeyes on the fore and main masts as I made a complete mess of them first time. I learned a lot from it and my second attempt whilst not perfect I am certainly more pleased with.
 
 
 
 

 

 

 

 
 
Now of course I have to deal with the rest of the standing rigging. Does anyone have some decent diagrams/plans of the rest of the rigging that you could send me from a similar build. My plans are dreadful and I really don't want to put rigging in the wrong places and spoil what I have done so far.