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Good day Michael!

She is getting more beautiful and beautiful and buytiful  with each stage completed , Great Job You made !

I like it very much!

All The Best!

Kirill

Good day,

I've found this drawing, some moments of rigging are questionable, but in general not so bad! At least position of the stays shown correctly,...

Sorry for my too late question regarding ratlines thicknest ...

May be  this " check point "  question will be usefull for the next model... 

All the best!!!

Good day, 

Seems that  ratlines are a little bit too thick... in proportion to the shrouds thicknest ?

How did You calculated diam. of the ratlines?

John ,

Your work just great !!! Fantastic !!!

Beautiful results!!!

All the best and another great models!!!

Good day,

Ah, I see...

In this case , balcony itself just additional, light construction, which could be placed in free position , lets say, iregadless of wales positions, but wales, they are important part of hull construction, .... and in this respect  , there is no necesserity try to align them with balcony position , which is very minor consering wales and other ship hull elements...

As I could see on Your model, position of your 3rd wale is correct, and it well , harmony aligns with balcony position... that why your decision to place" imitation" of 1st and 2nd wales became eyes catcher if I could say that...and I started placed my comments...

logicaly it could be supposed that 1st and 2nd wales be placed just running proportionally to the 3rd wales...bellow balcony...?

Beside mentioned above, I have some drawings of spanish galleon model which rigging diagrams You could use instead of Ocre rigging plans , at least they are much more corectly made! 

СантЯго-де-Компостела-01.pdf СантЯго-де-Компостела-02.pdf СантЯго-де-Компостела-03.pdf СантЯго-де-Компостела-04.pdf СантЯго-де-Компостела-05.pdf

Good day,

One of the solution , by my opinion, it could be to increase a little bit opening in the lower part of the top - this will give you some extra room for passing shrouds and respective stays , for increasing opening in the lower part of the top, you would be need to cut off one of its lower layer.... and rearrange a little top floor...

At least,when I m looking at the posted pictures, right now, the size of the top too small to be correct and there is too small opening in the lower part of the top platform...

There should be sufficient space to accomodate all shrouds loops and stay loop above them...

The secuence of rigging is quite important...

lower part of the top mast shouldnt be used for attaching stays,shrouds or any other rigging lines...

And I would like to recommend to take a break for a while with rigging and to spend a little time to read R.C.Anderson book about rigging matters... it is not necessary to read it complete, but a few pages only where he talks about certain issues which You faced in your rigging...

When You will follow rigging with understanding and sure what and how the process should goes on, current situation will not looks so dramatic as now.

As seems to me this Ocre kit still manageble, and good kit for start,You did very good work with the hull, but current spars and rigging questions are minor and could be easily be corrected by You because You already have good experience to work with wood for these correction...

I would advise , at these stage, to avoid using original Ocre rigging and sails plan anymore  ,which only create for You very big mess and confusion but to use any other professionaly desighned rigging and spars plans which will suitable for spanish galleon rigging,

I would like to mention in this respect one of  Ab Hoving's books about Dutch shipbuilding traditions where He gives step by step instructions how to fitt all rigging and sails with technically correct illustrations of typically europian galleon of the beggining of 17th century... rigging plans from this book could be almost directly using for your spanisg galleon model.

It is europian style rigging and similar period with your model.

But first, as I mentioned, there is a sence  as seems to me, to take a break,

*to read that Anderson book , where He gives all necessary explanations in very simple manner,

*to look at that Ab Hoving rigging plans ,kipping in mind what You read in Anderson book and compare with Ab Howing plans

*to draw on your own rigging diagramm   and than to continue to rigg your beatifull model...

All the best!

Kirill

Goos day,

She looks nice, sometimes I even can't believe it is the first your build !, but , with wales position,  definetely something went wrong, they should be more or less in parralel to each other  with curtain sheer of couse , but not like You shown them, I'm sorry to say, but, right now, they are in wrong positions, it would be better to place them correctly for galleon model....

Very interesting, what was the reason when  You decided to place them like this?

Wales in principal, they are the same planking as others planks, but only thicker, they used to reinforce ships hull construction, and because of this nature, they couldn't run accross adjustent planks, all runs in the same directions...

Good day,

Dear Pfalzer , 

Honesty I even don't know what to say...

from one side, what maker of this kit do with rigging of his own kit, from historic  or technical point of vew, it is just ...lets say , looks very very strange and funny to see how they brake all imagiable  limits and rules of shipbuilduing tradition:))) ...

from other side , You told that You are very experienced in technical fields ,at least much more experinced  above normal housekipping's life of ordinary people, and from this point of vew, it could be twise relaxing to make corrected rigging(rigging  which will be working in reality as well as on your model )of your own model instead of to follow and reproduce these fully wrong ideas of maker's instructions , which looks like meaningless set of rigging lines :)))

... or ,once again, it could be same relaxing way just to  follow blindless kit's instruction  ....

First , I thoght that it were  your own idea how to make galleon riggings, looking at those pictures which You posted , but now I see, that You just carefully follow maker rigging diagrams, which are unfortunatelly  fully wrong...hm...

From third side, we could just follow kit's instruction 100% ... why not? ... but for me personaly , it would be not so fine to have these fillings in the background, that all my rigging I m making so carefully , I'm making carefully  wrong ! and I know , that I'm making it wrong because  kit maker did it so wrong by unknown reasons...

Good day,

Dear Pfalzer,

I have  some principal remarks regarding your rigging sequence , correct sequence should be like that:

*first mast tackles long stropes  should be fitted,

*than shrouds,

*than stays - their loops applied above shrouds loops which in their turns should be applied around mast top, lower part of the top mast should be left free, it is wrong to connect upper part of the main or fore stay to the lower part of the  respective top masts

*and finaly back stays if they are in use

These nuances about correct rigging sequence could be easily found practically in every ship modelling book.

Wood works of your model are very cool, and from my point of vew , it would be nice ti fitt all your rigging correctly  not  ruining nice model by wrongly installed rigging... by the way, lower part of the stays should not be connected directly to the spars ( masts or bowsprit), for that tackles need to be used.

ps

There is very nice book abourd rigging which could be fully implemented in case of galleon rigging - R.C . Anderson " The rigging of ships. In the days of the Spritsail topmast 1600-1720" 

Good day,

Dear Loracs,

I'm sorry mentioned ratlines -it is no the case here , they are quite correct in size and colors  on your model! Sorry for mentioned ratlines...

As for the laniards of the shrouds, yes, there is steady tendency they used to be tared, and normaly should be the same color as shrouds... that what we could see on replicas and what is more interesting for us as modellers, autentic admiralty museum models , they all have tared ratlines and shroud deadeyes laniards ...practically they easily could be stained to the dark colors with suitaboe stains or deluted acrylic paints and fine brush justcright at places where they are fitted...

All the Best!

Kirill

Good day,

She looks great! Very nice work!

Some remarks - laniard color , consider they used to be good tared , and color should be dark, same as shrouds colors, and while You are busy with ratlines, I hope You to take care about their thicknest, often we could see that people made them too thick/ oversised and thus ruining overal impression of the fitted shrouds ...and color of the ratlines - need to be the same as shrouds as well...

All The Best!

Kirill

A few pictures of modern replicas - where we could see how triangle deadeyes fitted correctly and laniards tared as well - Mayflower, Duyfken, Half Moen

Good day,

Dear all,
A small continuation - placed shields, chess-tree , cat -head , clamp for main course sheet, tried on gun port covers at place, anchor beam, added 4th barhout...

Good day,

Dear all, here is a few steps forward with this project ... continue with bulkheads decor 

ps

Have problem with downloading picture, here ia the link for the same picture

https://karopka.ru/bitrix/components/bitrix/forum.interface/show_file.php?fid=2784979

Greetings a respected community!

Recently I've made some small changes in my project , in the continuation of the story, so to speak -

* slightly increased forecastle height *raised the beackhead deck - in principle, by this , I've just returned to the original composition of the kit  ...

* and refused to reproduce the step in the forward part of the main gun deck ... something, well, it "did not go to me" despite my lovely model of Elizabeth Jonas galleon ,

either on the famous Baker's galleon drawing , and then,  judging by the drawings and paintings of that period, the step in the nose is not an indispensable attribute at all, as an example

- two pictures, with a step (Galeon Baker) and without ...

But in the stern - as a rule, this deck break was present at many pictures of the galleons and this break of the deck , even well traced up to the middle of the 17th century .... therefore I left the original option ...

*In the on -board decor I added Tudor's colors - white and green ...

So far...

 Wish all of you all the best!

Oops,  sorry,

I meant this one 

Good day !

Dear community, 

Please to value / comment a few versions of heraldic shield decoration....I prefer variant N4

Good day,

Yesterday evening completed balcony area decoration ... stern shield is coming

Patrick,

🤣facehugger ... this creature from ALIEN movie

Moved forward a little bit ... and ... found aliens o/b! :))) 

Thanks Bill - it is very good and interesting plan !

Thanks Bill - it is very good and interesting plan ! English\ those of English race built galleons and Spanish galleons ,  they were look different   in that time for sure !

It is sad that in existing galleon's plastic kits we don't see that difference ... I meant there are a few very good plastic kits of english galleons  but non of spanish , kit of really spanish style  galleon... 

meanwhile ... continue with my english\or dutch? :)))  galleon stern coloring.. too many ideas and slowly progress

balcony half done

 https://cloud.mail.ru/public/RDbd/bVHxRUsMx

Good day,

Dear all,

I would like to say that this damn paintings project -a lot of time consuming business- moves very slowly ...

probably gallery of arсs with Elizabethian's commanders portraits need to be reworked, to make them more light in appearence... now they looks to heavy compare to balcony arсs

https://cloud.mail.ru/public/1dUS/oVwrwNcmb

Wish all of you all the best!