kirill4

Good day Eric,

Nice to see You decided to continue your SR building!

All The Best!

Good day Bill,

This picture by J.Budriot could be usefull in your SR rigging

https://cloud.mail.ru/public/GFhj/r5sWcuzJ4

on the last pages of his book he gives very good details of rigging 

https://cloud.mail.ru/public/6ptu/hGjgw2XzZ

Good day Michael,

It could be interesting - SOS picture in high resolution

https://cloud.mail.ru/public/kGs3/UrQcmEwyt

Will try artificial gold potal'?

Good day Michael,

This is the model ,where some interesting details could be found... prototype(1671) ,as I could understood from model description,was made in old fasion style, even bowsprit still placed not in central line...guess some of details of this model  still could be usefull for SOS in some respect..

perhaps an easier option would be to install the sails on the yards in advance, with all their running rigging, and then install the yards with the sails in place and move the running rigging in places... due to the abundance of running rigging, in my opinion of course, it will be fantastically difficult to install  sails on already installed yards...

however, I wish you successful overcoming of difficulties if such appear on the horizon, and completion of construction

Helo Bill !

She looks nice!

Are You planning to install sails after completion of all your rigging works, correct ?

All the best!

Kirill

Round deadeyes for 16th century 👀👀👀 weknowthatyouknow but this is hermetic info , not for your uncle 😊

Good day  Ferrus Manus,

To simplify process and making all upper deadeyes stay in line I would strongly recommend to use carton pattern where upper deadeyes temporarly secured by softwires.... details of this process You could see in hundreds or even thousands  building reports of our brothers "in arms".....😊😊😊

100% agree with Michael!

Dear Ferrus Manus ,

In this stage of Your modeling skills, these ugly plastic shrouds where ratlines are the same thick as shrouds itself ,, just will spoil your entire model built...

it is time to make all your own rigging, as Michael said!

All the Best!

Kirill

Good day Bill,

this is from Kirill :))),

Please consider , that I'm not at all experienced  ship model builder, and all I posted this is just my solely private thoughts / point of veiw ...:) 

When I saw models of D.Shevelev , it made a very big impression on me and later on I tried to find more information about him and his works... and tried to follow his findings and style , ? in my own work, of couse in very small conserns ,due to absolutely different levels of outcome :)))

but ok, back to our questions... if You like idea to darkening your running rigging lines, I would like to reccomend to use water deluted artists acrylic paint - ochre + umbra natural... in such extand which will give You desired "hemp " color... it could be easily applied on installed running /standing rigging... by soft wide brush, desired intensive could be reachead by appling a few coats... or You could use artistic oil paints as D.Shevelev used, I didn't use them yet, but it is in my plans for my next palstic model///

Seriously, D.Shevelev models more than 20 years in private collections and still no "troubles" with them...

Good day Ian,

As far as I knew, it is long life receipt... artists oil paints on artificial threads, at least 200years duration 👌😊

Good day,

Bill,

Now, with stained ratlines, it looks much more better, more realistic and much close to museum models...as You could see,  ratlines now looks more proportional and in garmony with shrouds... deadeyes lanyards , it is part of standing rigging,I doubt we could name them "running" ...they often tared as well, tar doesn't make any troubles if they need to be retighten sometime...

I would say, your running rigging could be stained in a few tones darker as it is now, for staining running rigging You could use 

umbra natural with added golden ochre... there is link ,how it looks like on standing and running rigging - models of D.Shevelev

https://www.shipmodeling.ru/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=71120

He paints his rigging in this way...

"for coloring white threads with artistic oil paints, you can dilute the composition in half a liter container, for example - a tube of paint is mixed with liquid oil - teak, for example  (you can add more white spirit - to make the composition more liquid) Natural umber is used for standing rigging.  On running, ocher is added to this paint.
 It is dyed by pulling a thread through a can or a poured puddle of paint.  Then the thread is pulled several times through the cotton glove and hung out to dry.  Can be used in a day. https://www.shipmodeling.ru/phpbb/search.php?keywords=умбра+ленинградская "

"White " color of the ratlines on the pictures gives interesting effect, first what I see looking on the model , it is rows of solid white horozontal lines of the ratlines but vertical running of shrouds,which should be seen in the first turn, as a dasic veiw , somehow visualy disappears...:)))... "white" color gives visual eccessive thickness to the ratlines, they are very thin ( approx 1/6 diam of the shrouds ) ropes compare to the thickness of the shrouds... but not as almost  half of the diam. of the shrouds...

Good day Вill,

As I could see on the replicas and museum models , there is no too much contrast in colors of ratlines, deadeyes lanyards...the last ones were tarred often as well.

Of couse, if contrast colors is just your own choice  ,than it is another question and not a subject for discussion, but it looks a bit unusual... 

Good day Bill,

Volume of your  rigging works is  impressive!

However have some questions... but why all ratlines, deadeyes lanyards and all runnung rigging You made all in white color? Are You going to dark staining them later on? They shouldn't be such bright color for sure... deadeyes lanyards and ratlines should be same color as shrouds, and running rigging should be color of "hemp" but not white...which looks strange a little, when white color choosen, why..?

Wish You all the best!

Kirill

Regarding round or square tuck... it is interesting question :))) , in my personal point of vew , it must be like more as Batavia tuck were made, if You saw that book of  archeological artefacts of Batavia? There is article about Batavua wreak hull planking including section of tuck ...roughly say ,they used hard bended planks our suitable shape of the natural wood to create smooth transition from side to tuck planking...but in this shape, it is something between round and square tuck as I could guess:)))

https://cloud.mail.ru/public/w1qG/kKQKZi814

Good day,

It would be very interesting, for sure! I would like to be in the front row as well!

What is the actual scale of this kit? 

Just Great !!! 

What else to say... 

Dear John,

Consider there is interesting visual effect... due to "dark" color of model hull, stained rigging( and  color of stained sails as well), when fitted on the model, visually they are looking more "bright " in colors    :))) ...

I could say yes... may be another coat of stain would be not bad...

All the Best!

Hi John,

Regarding rigging colors ... just for information, how rigging looks like on replica ,for example...and of couse, no any light colors for ratlines, lanyards and any other running and standing rigging lines...

A few days ago I visited replica of W.Barenrz ship - it stays in Harlingen, Netherlands...and in September made short voyage under sails... everything went very good, as those people said ...

Dear Frank,

Congratulations on the completion of this grandiose work and on the final photo shoot of such a bright model!
Everything turned out very cool, and the construction itself was very interesting!
I wish you success in building the next model!
All the best !!!

Kirill
ps
By the way, what are the plans for the next model, if not a secret?

Good day Michael,

Just amaizing work!

All the best!

Kirill

Oh, I see...

Own rope making machine gives undoubt advantage, You will never depends on from rope supplier... :)))

sometimes it is very handy, even You have to invest some money in the begining...

By the way,  as I know, in internet, there are many drawings of very simple types of rope machines which could be made from wast material, but besides their rough appearance, they work, and with same final results as expensive and fine designed  brand famous machines ...

I saw one machine which assembled even without any wheels!!!:))) ,

but made from two triangle flats( plywood or evev thick cartoon), 3 wires ecscentric cranks with hooks at the ends and one central hand knob on the upper flat,  to making all construction moving when You moving this knob...

it looks funny but suprisingly it works , and I saw ropes made with it, they are normal in appearance, same as any others made by means of using wheels design rope making machines...

All the best!

Kirill